Trump Presidency Round 2

[GATTACA!]

People worked up because Trump uses the NG to temporarily supplement LE. It's a crisis because it's a military takeover, even though most of the NG aren't carrying weapons. DC goes 12 days without a murder. Hmmm

He’s picking and choosing which cities based on his political grievances. Call me when he sends them to Memphis.

You can’t be this gullible.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Can we report those that fly the confederate flag then as well? They're clearly are traitors to union and hate our country.

I disagree with your interpretation of why most people who fly a Confederate flag do so.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I disagree with your interpretation of why most people who fly a Confederate flag do so.

Of course you do! Just like the people burning the flag probably disagree with how you interpret their actions.

 

[drayer54]

I would like to pause the thread for a land acknowledgment.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[TorontoGold]

He’s picking and choosing which cities based on his political grievances. Call me when he sends them to Memphis.

You can’t be this gullible.

I can't wrap my head around the idea that a temporary reduction in crime by having the NG there = great! But, having stronger gun controls so less kids die in school shootings = bad!

I understand that both of these impact your "rights". But why aren't the pro-second amendment types upset at this deployment, is this not the very case that they are worried about and why it's important to have a gun?

My immediate reaction is to just say they're hypocrites who just want "urban" folk to suffer, but there's gotta be more to it. Explain it to me how a rational person could be ok with it. I generally think Virginia is a more rational person and he disagrees, I don't consider the Apologists to have any positions other than deep throating Daddy Trump.

 

[drayer54]

He’s picking and choosing which cities based on his political grievances. Call me when he sends them to Memphis.

You can’t be this gullible.

100% agree with sending them to Memphis. Place is a shithole.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I would like to pause the thread for a land acknowledgment.

I always laugh at the Dems making a big deal about land acknowledgements and crying about how the land was taken from this tribe or that... and yet none of them volunteer to give their land back to those tribes. "Yes, it's just awful that we stole it from them... but I'm still gonna keep it. I just want to virtue signal and not actually correct this terrible wrong I'm wringing my hands over."

 

[LifelongFan]

Trump loves theater and this is just theater. Safety is mostly vibes-based. It doesn't follow stats, it follows "feelings". People "feel" unsafe for a variety of different reasons, real or imagined. Crime has fallen drastically as the lead paint and gasoline generation has grown up or died off, but people feel more unsafe than ever. Now they feel safe because more people they respect are walking around. It's all pointless.

 

[Irish#1]

Can we report those that fly the confederate flag then as well? They're clearly are traitors to union and hate our country.

Flying the confederate flag is no different than flying an LGBTQ flag or a POW/MIA flag, etc. Fly them all you want. If those flying a confederate flag or any other flag want to burn the American flag, then throw their ass in jail for awhile. I would prefer a week in jail with a heavy fine.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Flying the confederate flag is no different than flying an LGBTQ flag or a POW/MIA flag, etc. Fly them all you want. If those flying a confederate flag or any other flag want to burn the American flag, then throw their ass in jail for awhile. I would prefer a week in jail with a heavy fine.

The confederate flag represents a group of states and people that didn't believe all men were created and actively fought a war to keep people enslaved. The flags are nothing alike

 

[Irish#1]

He’s picking and choosing which cities based on his political grievances. Call me when he sends them to Memphis.

You can’t be this gullible.

What a coincidence that the cities he wants to send support to aren't the best when it comes to crime. Chicago is broke. No money for schools or additional police, but they had plenty for illegal immigrants. Now before you tell me that violent crime in Chicago in 2025 is down from the same period in 2024, it is still well above the national average.

 

[GATTACA!]

What a coincidence that the cities he wants to send support to aren't the best when it comes to crime. Chicago is broke. No money for schools or additional police, but they had plenty for illegal immigrants. Now before you tell me that violent crime in Chicago in 2025 is down from the same period in 2024, it is still well above the national average.

Nowhere near the level of many red shit hole states. So much for states rights. Guess we only care about that when dems are in charge.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

What a coincidence that the cities he wants to send support to aren't the best when it comes to crime. Chicago is broke. No money for schools or additional police, but they had plenty for illegal immigrants. Now before you tell me that violent crime in Chicago in 2025 is down from the same period in 2024, it is still well above the national average.

Why not use Indianapolis as your example? more violent crime and higher murder rate than Chicago.

 

[Bishop2b5]

The confederate flag represents a group of states and people that didn't believe all men were created and actively fought a war to keep people enslaved. The flags are nothing alike

And so did the US flag until just a few decades before... and sort of right up until Emancipation. Some northern US states didn't outright ban slavery until Emancipation. They just banned the importation of new slaves and ended the practice of generational slavery, with slave owners keeping their existing slaves for life, but children born of them would be emancipated upon reaching adulthood. Several northern US states still had slaves at the start of the Civil War. All 13 of the original colonies engaged in slavery and all continued the practice for years or even decades after 1776. Slavery in the US started and continued for decades under the US flag.

From Google AI:

Although many northern states had abolished slavery by 1860, some Union-loyal border states and territories still legally held enslaved people. A total of 451,021 enslaved people lived in these Union areas at the time of the 1860 census.
The institution of slavery was far more complex in the North than the "free vs. slave" perception suggests. Here are key details:

• Border states and territories: The majority of the enslaved population in Union-controlled areas was in the border states of Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri, and in some territories. The Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 did not apply to these Union-loyal slave states.
• New Jersey: Due to a gradual emancipation law passed in 1804, New Jersey was the last northern state to formally abolish slavery. In 1860, 43 people were still listed as enslaved in the state, according to the census.
• Gradual abolition: Many northern states passed gradual abolition laws in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, but these laws did not immediately free all enslaved people. For instance, children born to enslaved mothers had to serve for many years before being freed. It took decades for slavery to be completely phased out.
• National economy: Even after formally outlawing slavery, many northern businesses, particularly textile mills, profited from the slave labor system of the South.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

And so did the US flag until just a few decades before... and sort of right up until Emancipation. Some northern US states didn't outright ban slavery until Emancipation. They just banned the importation of new slaves and ended the practice of generational slavery, with slave owners keeping their existing slaves for life, but children born of them would be emancipated upon reaching adulthood. Several northern US states still had slaves at the start of the Civil War. All 13 of the original colonies engaged in slavery and all continued the practice for years or even decades after 1776. Slavery in the US started and continued for decades under the US flag.

From Google AI:

Although many northern states had abolished slavery by 1860, some Union-loyal border states and territories still legally held enslaved people. A total of 451,021 enslaved people lived in these Union areas at the time of the 1860 census.
The institution of slavery was far more complex in the North than the "free vs. slave" perception suggests. Here are key details:

• Border states and territories: The majority of the enslaved population in Union-controlled areas was in the border states of Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, and Missouri, and in some territories. The Emancipation Proclamation in 1863 did not apply to these Union-loyal slave states.
• New Jersey: Due to a gradual emancipation law passed in 1804, New Jersey was the last northern state to formally abolish slavery. In 1860, 43 people were still listed as enslaved in the state, according to the census.
• Gradual abolition: Many northern states passed gradual abolition laws in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, but these laws did not immediately free all enslaved people. For instance, children born to enslaved mothers had to serve for many years before being freed. It took decades for slavery to be completely phased out.
• National economy: Even after formally outlawing slavery, many northern businesses, particularly textile mills, profited from the slave labor system of the South.

Thanks for explaining what I already know. That doesn't change the facts. Anyone flying a Confederate flag today supports a group of traitors that fought against the United states because they wanted to keep slavery

 

[GATTACA!]

Thanks for explaining what I already know. That doesn't change the facts. Anyone flying a Confederate flag today supports a group of traitors that fought against the United states because they wanted to keep slavery

Inb4 tHeY wErE dEmOcRaTs!!

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Inb4 tHeY wErE dEmOcRaTs!!

But states rights!

 

[Irish#1]

Why not use Indianapolis as your example? more violent crime and higher murder rate than Chicago.

I used Chicago for a couple of reasons. One, that's one city he mentioned. Second, putting illegals in front of his own citizens.

I would have no problem with him sending the NG here. Hogsett has done a crappy job when it comes to crime, the condition of our roads, snow clearing and he can't stay away from the bars which has created its own controversy. Yet, for some reason we keep reelecting him.

BTW.....The governor has already mentioned taking control of "The Mile Square" in downtown Indy with state police. If it helps with crime I'm for it.

 

[Irish#1]

Nowhere near the level of many red shit hole states. So much for states rights. Guess we only care about that when dems are in charge.

Nope, I don't care if a city/state is red or blue.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Thanks for explaining what I already know. That doesn't change the facts. Anyone flying a Confederate flag today supports a group of traitors that fought against the United states because they wanted to keep slavery

Interesting. Apparently you didn't know, based on your original argument. However, this answer doesn't hold up well either. Part of the motivation for the American Revolution was the fear by the colonists that Britain would attempt to end slavery in the colonies after their 1772 anti-slavery court ruling. So see, they too fought a war against their parent nation in order to keep slaves. The whole "Oh, my side was so noble and those others were horrible" is historically inaccurate and some self-serving nonsense. Your assertion that anyone flying the Confederate flag supports traitors and slavery is also a gross oversimplification and flat out wrong in most cases. Google some of the reasons different people and groups fly that flag. Few of them are doing so in support of slavery or because of anti-American sentiment.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Interesting. Apparently you didn't know, based on your original argument. However, this answer doesn't hold up well either. Part of the motivation for the American Revolution was the fear by the colonists that Britain would attempt to end slavery in the colonies after their 1772 anti-slavery court ruling. So see, they too fought a war against their parent nation in order to keep slaves. The whole "Oh, my side was so noble and those others were horrible" is historically inaccurate and some self-serving nonsense. Your assertion that anyone flying the Confederate flag supports traitors and slavery is also a gross oversimplification and flat out wrong in most cases. Google some of the reasons different people and groups fly that flag. Few of them are doing so in support of slavery or because of anti-American sentiment.

Whatever you tell yourself to justify your love of the confederacy. The confederacy were a bunch of traitors who knew their economy would collapse without slave labor. So they fought to keep it. No one said the rest of the country had a pristine record. But when the union tried to progress the south fought a war against it.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I used Chicago for a couple of reasons. One, that's one city he mentioned. Second, putting illegals in front of his own citizens.

I would have no problem with him sending the NG here. Hogsett has done a crappy job when it comes to crime, the condition of our roads, snow clearing and he can't stay away from the bars which has created its own controversy. Yet, for some reason we keep reelecting him.

BTW.....The governor has already mentioned taking control of "The Mile Square" in downtown Indy with state police. If it helps with crime I'm for it.

He mentioned Memphis not Chicago.

 

[GATTACA!]

Nope, I don't care if a city/state is red or blue.

Trump does.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

People here are really ok with any president saying "I don't believe the crime stats of so and so city, I declare it an emergency, I don't care what the mayor/Governor says, I'm sending in troops." Is it going to take for the soldiers to demand a place to sleep before you realize what they doing? You're willing to surrender freedoms, and state sovereignty to the federal government this easily huh?

 

[Fbolt]

depends on the Mayor/Governor. Not everything is black and white.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

depends on the Mayor/Governor. Not everything is black and white.

Please expand upon this. Yes there's extreme circumstances, but there's not a single situation right now where this is warranted

 

[Bishop2b5]

Whatever you tell yourself to justify your love of the confederacy. The confederacy were a bunch of traitors who knew their economy would collapse without slave labor. So they fought to keep it. No one said the rest of the country had a pristine record. But when the union tried to progress the south fought a war against it.

I don't have a love of the Confederacy. I have a love of historical accuracy.,, and a dislike for hypocrisy. Slavery was an institution across most of our nation centuries ago. Get off your holier than thou high horse of condemning one part of the nation for it and dismissing the other part of the nation's role as no big deal.

 

[Fbolt]

Please expand upon this. Yes there's extreme circumstances, but there's not a single situation right now where this is warranted

Your mind is already cemented so no reasoning, no matter how rational and pragmatic, would change it. Baiting for an answer you'll attack is engaging in dishonest communication.

 

[GATTACA!]

People here are really ok with any president saying "I don't believe the crime stats of so and so city, I declare it an emergency, I don't care what the mayor/Governor says, I'm sending in troops." Is it going to take for the soldiers to demand a place to sleep before you realize what they doing? You're willing to surrender freedoms, and state sovereignty to the federal government this easily huh?

Just wait until the next dem president. If there’s a mass shooting and the president declares it an national emergency and send federal troops to whatever city he feels like to go door to door looking for unregistered firearms. Betcha they’ll care then.