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[allenm5333]

Biggest problem is what happens next year? Say you go Angeli, Minchey, Carr battling for QB 1. Carr wins? Angeli has 2 years left he jumps ship, Minchey has 3 years left he jumps ship. That leaves you with Carr as QB1 and Duece as QB2?

Take a transfer who knows his role

 

[arrowryan]

Biggest problem is what happens next year? Say you go Angeli, Minchey, Carr battling for QB 1. Carr wins? Angeli has 2 years left he jumps ship, Minchey has 3 years left he jumps ship. That leaves you with Carr as QB1 and Duece as QB2?

I don’t think both would leave, but who knows. If that’s the case, go get a QB in the portal.

 

[Irish#1]

I’m shocked Minchey didn’t transfer, so good for him. Angeli is going to have a hell of a time trying to hold off Carr and Minchey in 2025.

He may very well be looking long term and wants to get the degree knowing that the odds of ending up in the NFL are slim.

 

[NDFAN2008]

Who is even QB 2 right now has that been decided? I honestly could see ND going with a 2 QB system in 2025. Carr and Minchey both they both offer a different dynamic

 

[PutuporShutup]

Who is even QB 2 right now has that been decided? I honestly could see ND going with a 2 QB system in 2025. Carr and Minchey both they both offer a different dynamic

Right now it's probably Riley Leonard (since he's done very little in front of ND coaches) with the assumption he is going to win the starting job this summer and early fall camp.

I think if everyone is healthy, all the coaches want Leonard to win the spot, then have Angeli as backup going into A&M (really good to have backup with meaningful in game PT).

My question is at some point this year do they work Carr or Minchey in for real reps in prep for 2025? Or do either take over #2 spot? You just flat out aren't getting good reps as the #4 QB from Mid August through remainder of the season, and minimal reps as 3rd string. One of them will probably need to be the scout QB at times.

 

[rtrn2glory]

TBH in regards to Thomas and all WR on roster, the fact we have denbrock now would make me more comfortable to stay if I were a receiver. He seems to do well and has in the past of spreading the ball around if I remember correctly. RB would be the position I'd be most worried about for attrition but DeLand does great mixing in reps for them too

 

[allenm5333]

TBH in regards to Thomas and all WR on roster, the fact we have denbrock now would make me more comfortable to stay if I were a receiver. He seems to do well and has in the past of spreading the ball around if I remember correctly. RB would be the position I'd be most worried about for attrition but DeLand does great mixing in reps for them too

I have no idea what role Thomas plays under Denbrock. I feel like there are 4 WRs or so right now that fit his Offense better.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Who is even QB 2 right now has that been decided? I honestly could see ND going with a 2 QB system in 2025. Carr and Minchey both they both offer a different dynamic

Angeli got the red jersey in the spring game. I don't know if there's been an announcement but they're treating him differently.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Angeli got the red jersey in the spring game. I don't know if there's been an announcement but they're treating him differently.

Which they should. Making him #2 now is the easiest way to have three quarterbacks in 2025.

They can’t have just Carr and a freshman. Not many transfers come in to be a backup.

 

[Ricochet]

The question here IMO that everyone forgets when it comes to Angeli, is he or isn't he a pro prospect? I believe that most of us think he's a good backup QB who isn't a pro prospect. If he wanted just to play ball and give him a sliver of hope to be a NFL QB he would've went elsewhere and became an Athlete-Student rather than going the hard path to ND to be a Student-Athlete.

The point is Angeli isn't a pro prospect and I just don't see him leaving without his degree. Leaving now makes no sense for him. Like I said if it was only about football he would've went to a football first school to give him a better chance to make it to the NFL.

That said once he gets his ND degree all bets are off

 

[SDIrishFan]

The question here IMO that everyone forgets when it comes to Angeli, is he or isn't he a pro prospect? I believe that most of us think he's a good backup QB who isn't a pro prospect. If he wanted just to play ball and give him a sliver of hope to be a NFL QB he would've went elsewhere and became an Athlete-Student rather than going the hard path to ND to be a Student-Athlete.

The point is Angeli isn't a pro prospect and I just don't see him leaving without his degree. Leaving now makes no sense for him. Like I said if it was only about football he would've went to a football first school to give him a better chance to make it to the NFL.

That said once he gets his ND degree all bets are off

I see your point, but, that was the argument made for Drew Pyne too, and we saw how that turned out.

These kids want to play ball. Some may think they have a shot at the pros when they don't. But, being a starting QB at a power 4 school isn't a bad gig for some kids and they might put more credence in that than getting their ND degree. I'm not saying I agree with that, but it is what it is.

If Carr is who we think he is, I don't see a scenario where we aren't down to 2 scholly QB's going into next year (assuming Duece sticks)

 

[T-Boone]

Biggest problem is what happens next year? Say you go Angeli, Minchey, Carr battling for QB 1. Carr wins? Angeli has 2 years left he jumps ship, Minchey has 3 years left he jumps ship. That leaves you with Carr as QB1 and Duece as QB2?

A walk on Tyler Buchner

 

[HouseofPain]

Leonard with Carr getting all mop up duty every game

 

[rtrn2glory]

How close is Angeli to his degree?

 

[CanadalovesND]

How close is Angeli to his degree?

He was an early enrollee in ‘22. So he’s been at the school for two years and counting, and I believe that equates to three semesters per year (Fall, Winter/Spring, and Summer)…. I could be wrong here, I wasn’t a student at ND.

Some athletes are able to graduate in three years, so I’m going to assume that Angeli is one of them. I’d say he’s going to finish his degree either this December or next May.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I'm wondering if that is why he's sticking around.... Simply based on needing to finish his degree

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I'm wondering if that is why he's sticking around.... Simply based on needing to finish his degree

Works for me. Steve is the primary backup for 24 then 2025 can be a competition between 12 and 8 with promised “packages” for the runner up. Promise them they will both play every week to stay sharp in case of injury.
That might be enough to keep them.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

The one are the leaves Angeli as odd man out is his mobility. He’s not immobile but he’s not as elusive nor possesses the scrambling ability of the other three. If he were to be the starter, Denbrock would have to re-prioritize his play calling. If it’s one of the other three startint, I think they’re a run to set up the pass type offense. At least that’s what I gleaned from the II guys.

 

[NDMatt91]

I'm wondering if that is why he's sticking around.... Simply based on needing to finish his degree

I think it's the smart decision. He'll have his degree and still have 2 years left of eligibility. He can then compete for the starting job in the spring and either win it or transfer somewhere and be the starter.

 

[stlnd01]

I think it's the smart decision. He'll have his degree and still have 2 years left of eligibility. He can then compete for the starting job in the spring and either win it or transfer somewhere and be the starter.

Yep. He will likely play in - and may well start if Leonard has injury issues - games for us this season. He can either try to win the job next year (unlikely, IMO) or let Carr or Minchey ascend and go forth into the portal with a good tape, a Notre Dame degree and two seasons of eligibility starting with spring practice at his new school. A good deal for all.

The one I puzzle over is Minchey. I'm glad he's staying, as he has lots of potential. But he needs game experience, and I don't quite see how he and Carr both get it in 2024.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Angeli is the "break glass in case of emergency" QB this season in the event Leonard isn't healthy and ND needs a starter. Minchey gets mop up duty. Carr doesn't take any snaps and takes a redshirt.

Angeli finishes the season out, gets his degree, and transfers out. Next year take the best transfer available (if there is one), otherwise let Minchey and Carr battle it out in camp.

 

[Katzenboyer]

The one I puzzle over is Minchey. I'm glad he's staying, as he has lots of potential. But he needs game experience, and I don't quite see how he and Carr both get it in 2024.

I don't think we'll see Carr play at all this season.

 

[stlnd01]

Angeli is the "break glass in case of emergency" QB this season in the event Leonard isn't healthy and ND needs a starter. Minchey gets mop up duty. Carr doesn't take any snaps and takes a redshirt.

Angeli finishes the season out, gets his degree, and transfers out. Next year take the best transfer available (if there is one), otherwise let Minchey and Carr battle it out in camp.

You think? At some point we have to get off the one-year rental cycle and develop a multi-year starter. Minchey or Carr is our best chance to do that.
But without game experience in 2024, handing either of them the keys for 2025 is going to feel like an enormous risk (and thus lead us back into the transfer portal). If Carr's going to have a legit shot at the 2025 job, he needs to see the field at least a bit in '24. Same for Minchey.
My prediction is Angeli is QB2 to start the year but one of the other two takes that role by mid-season and plays a decent amount. Whichever that is the presumptive '25 starter. Then the trick becomes convincing the other to stick around, or recruiting Tyler Buchner back to football I guess.

 

[Katzenboyer]

You think? At some point we have to get off the one-year rental cycle and develop a multi-year starter. Minchey or Carr is our best chance to do that.
But without game experience in 2024, handing either of them the keys for 2025 is going to feel like an enormous risk (and thus lead us back into the transfer portal). If Carr's going to have a legit shot at the 2025 job, he needs to see the field at least a bit in '24. Same for Minchey.
My prediction is Angeli is QB2 to start the year but one of the other two takes that role by mid-season and plays a decent amount. Whichever that is the presumptive '25 starter. Then the trick becomes convincing the other to stick around, or recruiting Tyler Buchner back to football I guess.

I don't see any scenario that Carr transfers if he's not named the started in '25. None whatsoever.

I think you take the best portal QB until and only if you're satisfied that Minchey (or Carr, in the event I'm wrong about 2024 playing time) can be the guy. At that point, you no longer need to resort to that option, because you have your guy for 2-3 years and Knight is coming up behind them.

 

[stlnd01]

I don't see any scenario that Carr transfers if he's not named the started in '25. None whatsoever.

I think you take the best portal QB until and only if you're satisfied that Minchey (or Carr, in the event I'm wrong about 2024 playing time) can be the guy. At that point, you no longer need to resort to that option, because you have your guy for 2-3 years and Knight is coming up behind them.

I don't think Carr is necessarily an immediate transfer risk either, but whichever of them wins the job is the presumptive starter for two/three years, and it's hard to see Carr sitting behind Minchey forever.
A one-year rental does give Carr another year to develop (in that scenario I'd guess Minchey moves on), which could be beneficial. But every one-year rental is a huge roll of the dice. We've been relatively fortunate in the QB portal so far but there's no guarantees. And, not for nothing, a lot of QB recruits want to know they'll have a chance to play, not just be recruited over b/c they don't have game experience.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I’d tell 12 and 8 both that they’re playing in 25. No matter which one starts the other is a perfect “change of pace” type of quarterback.
Eventually you have to play the guys you recruited.
QB portal starter should be used for emergencies when you have highly talented players already here,

 

[IAIrish]

The one are the leaves Angeli as odd man out is his mobility. He’s not immobile but he’s not as elusive nor possesses the scrambling ability of the other three. If he were to be the starter, Denbrock would have to re-prioritize his play calling. If it’s one of the other three startint, I think they’re a run to set up the pass type offense. At least that’s what I gleaned from the II guys.

In Angeli's defense in a small sample size, he did show a lot more ability to run than I thought he had. His running in the sun bowl surprised me.
I would rate that aspect of his game as better than average. Likely better than Carr simply due to a 3 year s&c. He's not Leonard, but I'd bet Minchey isn't a lot better runner.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I'm wondering if that is why he's sticking around.... Simply based on needing to finish his degree

He was by far #1 going into last year and he did not play well then got hurt… and it’s still lingering

When you have numbers like this year, let the the cream rise to the top

I love what he brings as a hybrid wr/te and shifting to block, but he has to get healthy and bring it

 

[stlnd01]

He was by far #1 going into last year and he did not play well then got hurt… and it’s still lingering

When you have numbers like this year, let the the cream rise to the top

I love what he brings as a hybrid wr/te and shifting to block, but he has to get healthy and bring it

I think he was referring to Angeli?
But I too hope Jayden Thomas brings it. Good ballplayer. Seems like a leader in that room. Deserves a good year.

 

[irishandy]

To have no QB's on the roster not currently transferring says something about this staff (to be honest with the kids) and the players (for continuing to buy in), whether that changes is to be seen.

Angeli has more time invested with ND than Minchey and if I had to choose between the 2 Minchey will transfer before Angeli.