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[Dale]

Certainly not a shocker…….I guess things went full circle.

The second it was evident Card and Thompson aren’t superstars this was probably in motion

 

[EvilleIrish]

Bo Nix in the portal.

 

[irishff1014]

Bo Nix in the portal.

Talk about overrated.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Anybody else think we will go get a QB transfer?

 

[NDPhilly]

Words can’t describe how much the new NIL / auto-transfer world of CFB sucks. Can see why the NCAA went a century without fucking with this stuff.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Words can’t describe how much the new NIL / auto-transfer world of CFB sucks. Can see why the NCAA went a century without fucking with this stuff.

What sucks to me is how much CFB has been monetized. The players were the last to the buffet table, so to speak. It's by far the most chaotic aspect of if it all, but I have a difficult time blaming them. Think of the world around them and you see everyone, from coaches to administrators chasing the almighty dollar. Take Miami for example. The faculty there is IRATE over the hire of Mario. Why? The matching 401K contributions had been slashed to save over $100M for the university. As stimulus and other funding was made available, along with record healthcare profits, the university still declined to reinstate immediately, deferring instead to the next academic calendar year. At the same time, the university just committed $93M to bringing in Mario (including his buyout and Diaz buyout), plus another $8M for higher assistant pay over the duration of Mario's contract. Yes, that is spread out over different years and some may even call it an "investment", but it still signals football $'s over everything else. Why shouldn't the players be able to do that too?

 

[BrownerandFry]

Anybody else think we will go get a QB transfer?

Yep Id guess we do.

 

[NDPhilly]

Anybody else think we will go get a QB transfer?

Unless Buchner really shows something in the Bowl Game, I hope we do. Can't afford to go 7-5 due to bad QB play in Freeman's first season. Will kill all positive momentum.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Unless Buchner really shows something in the Bowl Game, I hope we do. Can't afford to go 7-5 due to bad QB play in Freeman's first season. Will kill all positive momentum.

I think Buchner needs another year in the cooker. He didn't play a lot of high school ball and he didn't play much in the way of competition. Two full years to learn, get subbed in to increase exposure then the keys are likely his 3rd and 4th year.

We need Armstrong to hit the transfer portal because if he gets behind our OL (which will be drastically improved next year) and our talent level at RB, TE and WR, I think we can absolutely have a special year.

Look at our DL next year, we'll be pulling hockey-style line shifts and our LB play should seriously be improved. We increase in athleticism and hopefully return a game wrecker in Liufau. Given that we only had Hamilton for 6 games, it could be argued our secondary will be stronger in the composite despite the loss of a superstar. Safety play will likely be down a tick but CB play should be up.

I'm seriously considering taking up prayer to try and get Armstrong to South Bend. I mean, we would be lethal on both sides of the ball and that's something we rarely have.

If we have a similar number of freshmen capable of contributing early like we did in '21, look out!

 

[Wild Bill]

I think Buchner needs another year in the cooker. He didn't play a lot of high school ball and he didn't play much in the way of competition. Two full years to learn, get subbed in to increase exposure then the keys are likely his 3rd and 4th year.

We need Armstrong to hit the transfer portal because if he gets behind our OL (which will be drastically improved next year) and our talent level at RB, TE and WR, I think we can absolutely have a special year.

Look at our DL next year, we'll be pulling hockey-style line shifts and our LB play should seriously be improved. We increase in athleticism and hopefully return a game wrecker in Liufau. Given that we only had Hamilton for 6 games, it could be argued our secondary will be stronger in the composite despite the loss of a superstar. Safety play will likely be down a tick but CB play should be up.

I'm seriously considering taking up prayer to try and get Armstrong to South Bend. I mean, we would be lethal on both sides of the ball and that's something we rarely have.

If we have a similar number of freshmen capable of contributing early like we did in '21, look out!

Brennan Armstrong? Is this a rumor? Haven't seen this.

 

[Trait Expectations]

Brennan Armstrong? Is this a rumor? Haven't seen this.

Not even a little bit. I just have a really strong desire to see an incredible QB, who outperforms his supporting cast, transfer to ND to increase the potential of our supporting cast and take us to a natty. I just don't think Buchner is ready. If Buchner gets the nod, I'll root like crazy for him but I think he needs another year to develop his passing game/reading of defenses.

And it'd be a win/win for Armstrong. He'd win more games and get a ton of national exposure elevating his draft stock.

 

[Wild Bill]

Not even a little bit. I just have a really strong desire to see an incredible QB, who outperforms his supporting cast, transfer to ND to increase the potential of our supporting cast and take us to a natty. I just don't think Buchner is ready. If Buchner gets the nod, I'll root like crazy for him but I think he needs another year to develop his passing game/reading of defenses.

And it'd be a win/win for Armstrong. He'd win more games and get a ton of national exposure elevating his draft stock.

Hard to disagree. I hate to say it, but I got some real Andrew Hendrix vibes from Buchner in the passing game. He's still very young and barely played in high school. Hopefully, I'm wrong b/c he is ridiculously explosive in the running game. If he's even a slightly above average passer next year, the offense should put up some points with creative gameplanning to take advantage of his running ability and mask his passing deficiencies.

Assuming Pyne transfers, it may not be a bad idea to get a transfer, even if they believe he'll develop. He played like a dozen snaps against Stanford - on one run it looked like he was shot out of a canon and on another he lowered his shoulder and trucked one of their defenders. It was great to watch but I'm not sure he can stay healthy running like this over 12 games.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Hard to disagree. I hate to say it, but I got some real Andrew Hendrix vibes from Buchner in the passing game. He's still very young and barely played in high school. Hopefully, I'm wrong b/c he is ridiculously explosive in the running game. If he's even a slightly above average passer next year, the offense should put up some points with creative gameplanning to take advantage of his running ability and mask his passing deficiencies.

Assuming Pyne transfers, it may not be a bad idea to get a transfer, even if they believe he'll develop. He played like a dozen snaps against Stanford, on one run it looked like he was shot out of a canon and on another he lowered his shoulder and trucked one of their defenders. It was great to watch but I'm not sure he can stay healthy running like this over 12 games.

I really wanted to be the only one that thought this!

 

[MacIrish75]

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I’d kick the tires, here…

 

[NDPhilly]

Kedon Slovis just announced that he is transferring. I'd be happy with him as another stop-gap. Imagine its very unlikely though just due to him being from SC.

 

[AlaskanIrish]

Hard to disagree. I hate to say it, but I got some real Andrew Hendrix vibes from Buchner in the passing game. He's still very young and barely played in high school. Hopefully, I'm wrong b/c he is ridiculously explosive in the running game. If he's even a slightly above average passer next year, the offense should put up some points with creative gameplanning to take advantage of his running ability and mask his passing deficiencies.

Assuming Pyne transfers, it may not be a bad idea to get a transfer, even if they believe he'll develop. He played like a dozen snaps against Stanford - on one run it looked like he was shot out of a canon and on another he lowered his shoulder and trucked one of their defenders. It was great to watch but I'm not sure he can stay healthy running like this over 12 games.

Genuine question: what gives you Hendrix vibes? IIRC, he absolutely gunned most of his passes (lacked touch on the ball), when he scrambled he ran like a fullback and nearly got his head taken off a few times, and he lacked the raw athleticism of Buchner.

To Pyne, I'm cautiously optimistic he stays, FWIW. He seems ultra dedicated to the program. Even during the video of Tommy announcing that he's staying, he was the sole audible "clap" and looked like he was about to jump out of his seat. I also think that Pyne might have been a sticking point between BK and Rees. That is, I wouldn't be surprised if Rees was in the "play Pyne more" camp a few times this season. Maybe I'm reading too much into it though.

Not trying to be a dick. Genuinely curious on your take.

 

[Wild Bill]

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I’d kick the tires, here…

I would too. He struggled this year but he's accurate and was impressive when he actually found a rythym. I think the question is why he seemingly regressed - was it b/c D coordinators had film on him and could gameplan better or was it due to the dysfunction at USC.

I doubt he transfers anywhere where he actually has to compete for the job and I think that would be the case at ND.

 

[BoredIrish]

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I’d kick the tires, here…

I wonder if this means that Caleb Williams is going to SC? Would have thought Slovis would be excited to play under Riley... and its not like Jaxon Dart is some superstar competition.

 

[Riddickulous]

"You're the backup plan in case our ultra talented sophomore-to-be doesn't pan out" isn't a very exciting pitch. I imagine it'll be tough to land any of the higher profile transfer QBs. Still worth a shot IMO.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

"You're the backup plan in case our ultra talented sophomore-to-be doesn't pan out" isn't a very exciting pitch. I imagine it'll be tough to land any of the higher profile transfer QBs. Still worth a shot IMO.

I'm unimpressed with Slovis's game. To be fair, I was also unimpressed with Coan's highlights at Wisconsin.

But the team's level of need isn't the same in 2022 as it was in 2021. I see no reason to bring in a third tier QB as a transfer instead of rolling with Pyne/Buchner.

 

[NDPhilly]

"You're the backup plan in case our ultra talented sophomore-to-be doesn't pan out" isn't a very exciting pitch. I imagine it'll be tough to land any of the higher profile transfer QBs. Still worth a shot IMO.

Yeah, especially with ones with NFL aspirations like Slovis and Armstrong. Coan was kind of a sweet-spot of knowing a long NFL career was unlikely but having enough talent to be a serviceable high-D1 QB.

 

[Dale]

I don’t think there is any plan to bring in anyone at QB. Only shot would be if Pyne transferred but sounds like not the case

 

[Trait Expectations]

I don’t think there is any plan to bring in anyone at QB. Only shot would be if Pyne transferred but sounds like not the case

The staff will absolutely go after a QB if the right one hits the transfer portal. We have Pyne, Buchner and Angeli coming in. That's really it. If anyone thinks a grad transfer QB comes available and the staff won't give it their best then I don't know what to tell them.

Our staff is in the winning business.

 

[Dale]

The staff will absolutely go after a QB if the right one hits the transfer portal. We have Pyne, Buchner and Angeli coming in. That's really it. If anyone thinks a grad transfer QB comes available and the staff won't give it their best then I don't know what to tell them.

Our staff is in the winning business.

They believe Buchner gives them a very good chance at winning then would be why I don’t think they have any plan to bring in a transfer QB.

 

[Wild Bill]

Genuine question: what gives you Hendrix vibes? IIRC, he absolutely gunned most of his passes (lacked touch on the ball), when he scrambled he ran like a fullback and nearly got his head taken off a few times, and he lacked the raw athleticism of Buchner.

To Pyne, I'm cautiously optimistic he stays, FWIW. He seems ultra dedicated to the program. Even during the video of Tommy announcing that he's staying, he was the sole audible "clap" and looked like he was about to jump out of his seat. I also think that Pyne might have been a sticking point between BK and Rees. That is, I wouldn't be surprised if Rees was in the "play Pyne more" camp a few times this season. Maybe I'm reading too much into it though.

Not trying to be a dick. Genuinely curious on your take.

Hendrix isn't as athletic as Buchner, who appears to have elite running ability at QB, but he was a good athlete. Other than that, both were considered to be highly intelligent and came in with high expectations (buchner was rated quite a bit higher but I believe Hendrix may have been the highest rated QB on roster for most of his time at ND).

Probably has more to do with both playing at ND and the circumstances of the depth chart - fans wanted both guys to play over more experienced players who were limited physcially. if Hendrix played for any other team, I would never connect the two. However, I remember the feeling I had watching Hendrix struggle against USC back in 2013 (I think). It was just so obvious that he would never be able to throw the ball effectively at this level. I got that same feeling watching Buchner this year. They both look so anxious in the pocket, everything seems forced, whether it was throwing as quickly as humanly possible or putting their head down and running if the first read wasn't there.

Compare that to another athlete ND had at QB, Golson. He would drop back, move around a bit to buy some time, find a cozy spot on the field, light up a cigarette and wait for someone to get open. I'm not suggesting Golson was some great QB at ND or anything. He had his own issues but his natural instinct was to use his athleticism to create plays in the passing game, and he looked comfortable doing it. Buchner's natural instinct, as far as I can tell, is to use his speed and athleticism to create plays in the run game. The fact that he has any insticts at all and can make plays gives me hope that he will not end up like Hendrix but it's concerning b/c it's not going to be enough to be elite. He's not going to be a change of pace guy next year so defensive coordinators are going to gameplan for his wheels and will shut him down if they have athletes on defense.

Based on rule changes, you just can't shut down a quarterback as gifted as Buchner if they are looking to make plays with their arm. So yeah, he has to develop his arm but that's just some surface shit everyone says about a young quarterback. What he has to do is harness his elite ahtleticism and use it to make plays in the passing game. That's going to be difficult for him b/c I believe, and I could be totally wrong, his natural instict is to run like forest gump when he's in trouble. Coaching and experience will help b/c it'll slow the game down but it'll take more than just that to meet expectations. If he can do it, ND is a title contender. If he can't, ND is a 10 win team.

tl;dr: I'm not suggesting their fate will be the same. Hendrix had more than enough experience going into that USC game and it was obvious that it wasn't meant to be. Buchner probably has less experience than any other freshman QB who has ever seen the field at ND (didn't play as a senior due to COVID, IIRC) He has more arm talent than Hendrix and is far more athletic. I like the kid and hope he kills it but he has a lot of work do to.

 

[AlaskanIrish]

Hendrix isn't as athletic as Buchner, who appears to have elite running ability at QB, but he was a good athlete. Other than that, both were considered to be highly intelligent and came in with high expectations (buchner was rated quite a bit higher but I believe Hendrix may have been the highest rated QB on roster for most of his time at ND).

Probably has more to do with both playing at ND and the circumstances of the depth chart - fans wanted both guys to play over more experienced players who were limited physcially. if Hendrix played for any other team, I would never connect the two. However, I remember the feeling I had watching Hendrix struggle against USC back in 2013 (I think). It was just so obvious that he would never be able to throw the ball effectively at this level. I got that same feeling watching Buchner this year. They both look so anxious in the pocket, everything seems forced, whether it was throwing as quickly as humanly possible or putting their head down and running if the first read wasn't there.

Compare that to another athlete ND had at QB, Golson. He would drop back, move around a bit to buy some time, find a cozy spot on the field, light up a cigarette and wait for someone to get open. I'm not suggesting Golson was some great QB at ND or anything. He had his own issues but his natural instinct was to use his athleticism to create plays in the passing game, and he looked comfortable doing it. Buchner's natural instinct, as far as I can tell, is to use his speed and athleticism to create plays in the run game. The fact that he has any insticts at all and can make plays gives me hope that he will not end up like Hendrix but it's concerning b/c it's not going to be enough to be elite. He's not going to be a change of pace guy next year so defensive coordinators are going to gameplan for his wheels and will shut him down if they have athletes on defense.

Based on rule changes, you just can't shut down a quarterback as gifted as Buchner if they are looking to make plays with their arm. So yeah, he has to develop his arm but that's just some surface shit everyone says about a young quarterback. What he has to do is harness his elite ahtleticism and use it to make plays in the passing game. That's going to be difficult for him b/c I believe, and I could be totally wrong, his natural instict is to run like forest gump when he's in trouble. Coaching and experience will help b/c it'll slow the game down but it'll take more than just that to meet expectations. If he can do it, ND is a title contender. If he can't, ND is a 10 win team.

tl;dr: I'm not suggesting their fate will be the same. Hendrix had more than enough experience going into that USC game and it was obvious that it wasn't meant to be. Buchner probably has less experience than any other freshman QB who has ever seen the field at ND (didn't play as a senior due to COVID, IIRC) He has more arm talent than Hendrix and is far more athletic. I like the kid and hope he kills it but he has a lot of work do to.

Hell of an analysis, Wild Bill, and thanks for taking the time to respond. Your Golson comparison really fills in the gaps for me. Much appreciated!

 

[dublinirish]

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yikes!

 

[NDFAN2008]

Honestly Clemson with them losing most of their recruits they shouldn't be a good team next year and USC isn't going to be good overnight. Their OL will still suck next year and they just lost their best QB and WR.

 

[Armyirish47]

Calzada from Texas A&M now in the portal. 247 has a good tracker if you are interested.

https://247sports.com/Season/2022-Football/TransferPortal/

 

[Irish#1]

I don't see any similarities between Hendrix and Buchner. Hendrix reminded me of a LB playing QB. I think you'll see a big improvement in TB next year. I suspect he wasn't seeing the field as much after VT due to Kelly. Unlike Hendrix, he's shown that he can make the throws. He pressed at times, but he can use the experience from this year to build from. He just needs more reps.