Toryan Smith: ND Final 2

[jiggafini19]

Removed.

 

[Batch]

Would be nice to get this kid away from the Pope...

-Batch

 

[Irish Envy]

Wonder what text messages Toryan gets?

 

[LuckoftheIrish86]

really? thats great to hear. I would much rather have Smith than Richardson. I thought Bama would be his other choice in the top 2 but i guess not?

 

[jiggafini19]

really? thats great to hear. I would much rather have Smith than Richardson. I thought Bama would be his other choice in the top 2 but i guess not?

Everyone offered by ND at this point would be tremendous grabs. I'd really rather have the guy ready to make a decision than the guy waiting around.

Richardson and Smith both seem to want to decide soon. This is going to be interesting. Young and Rose are coming for the Tennessee game. There might not be scholarships left by then.

 

[irishwavend]

Early enrollment

Early enrollment

With early enrollment, there will be plenty, I'm sure.

 

[jiggafini19]

With early enrollment, there will be plenty, I'm sure.

There are 25 available. You have 85 total. Unless guys turn pro early and make their intentions known before Signing Day, 25 is what they get.

 

[Irish Envy]

I'm wondering if Weis is planning to have more come early then originally intended?

 

[jiggafini19]

I'm wondering if Weis is planning to have more come early then originally intended?

Depends on what the powers that be give him.

 

[Irish Envy]

Depends on what the powers that be give him.

Call me crazy, but I think they'll give him whatever the hell he wants as long as it is reasonable.

If you ever needed good PR after the whole Ty fiasco, Weis has put Notre Dame back into the good graces with the media with the Montana story, his wife's charity, etc.

Keep him happy and keep him here.

 

[jiggafini19]

Call me crazy, but I think they'll give him whatever the hell he wants as long as it is reasonable.

If you ever needed good PR after the whole Ty fiasco, Weis has put Notre Dame back into the good graces with the media with the Montana story, his wife's charity, etc.

Keep him happy and keep him here.

This is still Notre Dame. they'll cut Charlie some slack, but they're not giving him the keys to the car.

 

[Irish Envy]

This is still Notre Dame. they'll cut Charlie some slack, but they're not giving him the keys to the car.

I'm not suggesting they would. However, if he asked for 5-7 early enrollments, I think they would be okay with that considering the small class we had last year and the booming interest in the University.

And then there is money. By missing a BCS game, the University stands to lose approximately $13 million dollars. While Notre Dame certainly ain't hurtin' by any means, $13 large is still $13 large.

Its more like taking the car for a joyride but filling it up with gas before you return it.

 

[bigdon]

I get a little tired of hearing that there might be some sort of conflict between the admissions office and the head coach. That kind of talk was rampant during the Holtz era and has always been below the surface when ND football discussions come up.

I believe that Jenkins has told the admissions dept to do everything possible to accommodate Weis and that was decided when Weis took the job. It is also rumored that was a sticking point with Meyer. He is rumored to have wanted a certain number of "exceptions" to the nornal requirements for admissions and the administration would not grant them. This may or maynot be true but it adds fuel to the fire of possible conflict.

Let's get on the same page guys.

 

[irishwavend]

No jiggafini...you get more

No jiggafini...you get more

Because we only offered 14 guys last year, whoever comes in early for the spring semester will count as last year's class. So, we may have 85 guys on the team at the moment, but a number of them are walkons who don't have scholarships. That said, if we have 2 guys enroll early we will technically have 27 scholarships this year...25 filled out for this year, plus 2 added to last year's class...making it 16 for last class. Make sense?

 

[jiggafini19]

Because we only offered 14 guys last year, whoever comes in early for the spring semester will count as last year's class. So, we may have 85 guys on the team at the moment, but a number of them are walkons who don't have scholarships. That said, if we have 2 guys enroll early we will technically have 27 scholarships this year...25 filled out for this year, plus 2 added to last year's class...making it 16 for last class. Make sense?

You are allowed a total of 85 scholarships. It doesn't matter when they come in, you have 85 to work with and that's it. Walk ons fill roster space.

Check the media guide and roster. Based on who is leaving and who is expected back, they have 25 scholarships total to get to 85.

 

[jiggafini19]

I'm not suggesting they would. However, if he asked for 5-7 early enrollments, I think they would be okay with that considering the small class we had last year and the booming interest in the University.

And then there is money. By missing a BCS game, the University stands to lose approximately $13 million dollars. While Notre Dame certainly ain't hurtin' by any means, $13 large is still $13 large.

Its more like taking the car for a joyride but filling it up with gas before you return it.

I hope they get 5 or 7. Problem is, there are about 30 a year total in the NCAA D I-A.

I'm guessing there will be 3, 4 tops.

 

[jiggafini19]

I get a little tired of hearing that there might be some sort of conflict between the admissions office and the head coach. That kind of talk was rampant during the Holtz era and has always been below the surface when ND football discussions come up.

I believe that Jenkins has told the admissions dept to do everything possible to accommodate Weis and that was decided when Weis took the job. It is also rumored that was a sticking point with Meyer. He is rumored to have wanted a certain number of "exceptions" to the nornal requirements for admissions and the administration would not grant them. This may or maynot be true but it adds fuel to the fire of possible conflict.

Let's get on the same page guys.

Call me cynical, but I'm guessing that there were guys who wouldn't have gotten in to ND without football under Holtz. They wouldn't have come close either. Tony Rice? BIG exception there, right?

Holtz jausted with the Administrations Office for years. He was on the brink of breaking Rockne's win record and decides not to come back?

This doesn't strike anyone as being a bit odd? Think it had to do with recruiting and "other things" that were or were not going on?

 

[irishwavend]

25 is the max you can get in any one year...kinda like the basketball 5 & 9 rule they used to have. If, however, you have early enrollees, they count for the previous year's class. So, ultimately, we will get rid of some walkons that were simply on the team to fill space that we shouldn't have had in the first place. That, plus graduating players, will open up more than 25 scholarships on the 85 man team.

1.) 25 is the max per season you can have, no matter how many empty scholarships you have.
2.)85 is the total number of players you can have on the team.
3.) If the total number of open scholarships on the 85 man team is more than the 25 you are allowed, anybody enrolling in the spring will count for the previous year's class.

 

[irishwavend]

BTW....As far as the media guide or "The Bible" as we called it goes, I used to put it together working in the sports information dept. I have been working with college football for 6 years...I think I know how this recruiting stuff works.

 

[Irish Envy]

I hope they get 5 or 7. Problem is, there are about 30 a year total in the NCAA D I-A.

I'm guessing there will be 3, 4 tops.

Didn't Ohio State have like 32-33 a couple years back?

 

[irishwavend]

If you have more than the allotted 25, they are called preferred walkons...they figure out a way to get them money many times...the school I worked at last year had 30 come in, but 5 did not get scholarships immediately.

 

[jiggafini19]

BTW....As far as the media guide or "The Bible" as we called it goes, I used to put it together working in the sports information dept. I have been working with college football for 6 years...I think I know how this recruiting stuff works.

And you're not the only one.

 

[jiggafini19]

Didn't Ohio State have like 32-33 a couple years back?

Early enrolled football players or recruits total?

 

[Irish Envy]

Early enrolled football players or recruits total?

Total class that included early enrollees, the normal class and a couple greyshirts.

 

[jiggafini19]

I'm going to go by the article I read when this whole issue first came up. At the time, admissions said they'd consider doing this on a case by case basis and maybe allow 2-3 early enrollees.

That being said, I'm guessing it will be Aldridge and maybe two others. Aldridge is the only person that I know of who has mentioned doing this. Walls appears to be staying in high school.

I don't see a lot of kids wanting to wait around for a scholarship to open up, either. If they really want to go to ND, more power to them.

 

[Guest]

Also have to factor which 5th year players Weis wants to bring back. I think richardson is eligible for a 5th year, Fasano is, couple of starters on the O Line whom Weis will obvisously take back for a 5th year.

 

[irishwavend]

Fifth years are factored in...we have not filled out our classes the past two years under Ty. We could have 5 early enrollees and still not fill up our 85 man team with true scholarship players. Aldridge, Stewart, and I forget the other one...but those are the three I know want to early enroll somewhere. That at least gives us 2 extra scholarships. So, if we assume Kates and Carufel, we have roughly 6 more to offer.

 

[jiggafini19]

You know something, I'm more interested in the quality of the kids than anything else. If they can get 40 guys, great.

As long as they're NFL Draft picks and graduate after four/five years, I'll be cool with it.

Looking good so far.

 

[irishwavend]

I second that motion...The problem last year was a not so solid class with only 14 guys, but the good thing is that Weis gets to develop them from their freshmen year, instead of Ty underdeveloping them.

 

[IRISHMAN]

i guess on ESPNNEWS they said that toryan smith and matt carufel are irish.