Tommy Vs. Golson...Not a question

[4irishnation]

If he has a soft spot for Tommy he has a damn tough time of showing it. Tommy has won four games for him and he Immediately states that Everett is the starter for the OU game.....maybe I can't read between the lines....

Which side of the fence are you on here?

 

[4irishnation]

My side is much happier or more happy or well you know what I mean.

 

[Woneone]

Maybe I suck at sarcasm, but I actually appreciated a QB whose 1st, 2nd and 3rd read was to the best TE in the country in 1 on 1 match-ups with CB's who were 4-6'' shorter than him.

If anything, I hope Golson was paying attention.

EDIT: I was at the game with endzone seats (there is not a person in America who could argue against a Jumbotron after sitting where I sat today). Golson was a part of two other games like this, Navy/Miami, where our running game carried us. But, in this game, we played a REALLY stout D, and our defense actually gave up 14.

 

[4irishnation]

I love the fact that he looks at the TE but there is another TE and 3 WRs that don't have a safety over the top

 

[Woneone]

I love the fact that he looks at the TE but there is another TE and 3 WRs that don't have a safety over the top

During any of his throws today to Eifert, when was there a Safety over the top that had a direct effect on the throw? Again, I had terrible seats and didn't have the benefit of replay, but it looked from where I sat every time he looked at Eifert it was because he had a favorable match-up.

Maybe not open, but he gave the best player on the field a chance to compete.

 

[ThePiombino]

Maybe I suck at sarcasm, but I actually appreciated a QB whose 1st, 2nd and 3rd read was to the best TE in the country in 1 on 1 match-ups with CB's who were 4-6'' shorter than him.

If anything, I hope Golson was paying attention.

EDIT: I was at the game with endzone seats (there is not a person in America who could argue against a Jumbotron after sitting where I sat today). Golson was a part of two other games like this, Navy/Miami, where our running game carried us. But, in this game, we played a REALLY stout D, and our defense actually gave up 14.

Not to mention it would have been nice to have during the review of that 2nd BYU "touchdown". Stadium would have lost its sh*t.

 

[EifertPower]

We all know Tommy's ceiling.

I still don't think we know what Golson or Hendrix is capable of yet.

To me, it seems like every QB under Kelly has a very short leash except for Rees which has the longest leash imaginable. Tommy is a decent backup and great 3rd string QB and, to be honest, that's what Weis had recruited him to be.

How many career games has Tommy Rees appeared in? By that measure, he might be one of the most experienced QBs in the country, so he absolutely should be better in pre-snap reads and understanding the offense.

 

[EifertPower]

I think the play that best sums of Tommy Rees is when he was forced out of the pocket and he scrambled out of bounds....for a 1 yard loss. Most other QBs would have thrown that away or scrambled for a 3 or 4 yard gain there.

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

Regardless of who is the qb, we need more big time receivers. Eifert is great no doubt. But so was Rudolph, and he had much more help with Floyd and Tate.

 

[arrowryan]

Regardless of who is the qb, we need more big time receivers. Eifert is great no doubt. But so was Rudolph, and he had much more help with Floyd and Tate.

Floyd and Tate type players don't grow on trees. T.J. is having a great year and he still has a year left. Next year we will be good at receiver with Jones, Daniels, Neal, and Brown. Also, Ferguson will probably get in

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

Floyd and Tate type players don't grow on trees. T.J. is having a great year and he still has a year left. Next year we will be good at receiver with Jones, Daniels, Neal, and Brown. Also, Ferguson will probably get in

I agree. just an observation.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

The only thing Tommy does better than EG is throw a jump ball up to Eifert and TJ...he knows those guys will make the play, in single coverage and chucks up wounded ducks all the time to those two (mostly Tyler). It works and I can't complain about that, but it seems fairly easy to learn that for Golson..."hey everett see tyler in single coverage? Just chuck it in his general direction. I promise it'll work. the end"

How many times did Tommy use his "expert" pre-snap reading skills yesterday to check into run plays that were stuffed in the back field? I can't remember how many times while watching the game my brothers would all turn and say "did he really just check into that play?" "did he really not see that blitz coming?" "does he not see the stacked box and single coverage on TJ?"

I think he's made a few decent pre-snap reads this season, but most fans don't recognize the number of checks he makes pre snap to running plays. Did you all see Kelly scream at him "CHECK OUT OF IT! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!" when they were stuffed in the redzone with TJ in single coverage and everyone showing blitz...

He sees double coverage on Eifert and immediately checks to a run. He left a lot of points on the field today because of it....

Tommy makes one or two great drives a game. Let's just keep it to one or two great drives and let Golson handle the rest (if not all of it) from now on.

It's Everett hands down as the starter. No question. For 4 years at that (get out of here with the Gunner talk lol)

 

[Patulski]

Rees was central in winning two games for us-Purdue and Stanford. So, it's Golson AND Rees.

 

[domerdude]

Rees was central in winning two games for us-Purdue and Stanford. So, it's Golson AND Rees.

So.... Golson + Rees > Golson or Rees....

I think that is the overall statement for this season. Develop the natural ability of Golson without sacrificing anything in the win-loss column.

This season is already special, with a W next week in Norman the Irish are all but guaranteed a birth in the BCS. All I'm saying is you gotta dance with the girl that brought ya, it looks like we will see both of them until EG widens the gap which I think happens by years end.

 

[mrmiller8]

You're all over the place. Your original post states that EG is the starter without question and here we are still on the first page and now EG is the starter because Kelly has a soft spot for him. smh

Everett is the starter without question, in my opinion, and Tommy is not close as far as offering an upside. Tommy has won four games for the Irish this year and only one has been out necessity (yesterday). The so called soft spot isn't for Tommy. I am a golson supporter 110 percent and hope he grows into a great quarterback that the Irish can have for three more years. However, Tommy keeps winning and all Kelly keeps doing is giving him a pat on the *** and says great job, you will be on the bench come next week.

 

[kmoose]

My bad for getting on late....However, I feel like Everett could have played (concussion or no concussion). Did Kelly play Tommy knowing what would his stats would look like today and put an end to this discussion. It sounds crazy because Kelly is coaching for his job and winning is the goal. However, the performance by Tommy today made me and probably more people realize that Golson has twice the upside of anyone on the roster as of right now....

And what medical training and/or personal observation leads you to this conclusion, Dr. Frank Burns?

 

[kmoose]

To me, it seems like every QB under Kelly has a very short leash except for Rees which has the longest leash imaginable.

As is evidenced by Kelly's stubborn insistence on starting Rees in all of those games, this year?

 

[mrmiller8]

And what medical training and/or personal observation leads you to this conclusion, Dr. Frank Burns?

Lol, well very little medical training leads me to simply voicing an opinion/thought, not a definitive statement. He was cleared to practice on tuesday or wednesday so a medical professional said it was fine. (or in this case a base a line test on computer said he was cleared to play). Why didn't he play? That's what I meant by the fact that he could have played....

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Golson + Rees > Golson or Rees....

This.

 

[kmoose]

Lol, well very little medical training leads me to simply voicing an opinion/thought, not a definitive statement. HE was cleared to practice on tuesday or wednesday so a medical professional (or in this case a base a line test on computer said he was cleared to play) why didn't he play?

It was your assertion. I'm just asking you to explain how you got from here to there.

 

[mrmiller8]

It was your assertion. I'm just asking you to explain how you got from here to there.

Kool-aid

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

 

[BeauBenken]

Tommy is better at pre-snap reads. That is about it.

And he's not even THAT phenomenal at that.

The fact there was ever a discussion on this (Tommy vs Golson) worries me.

 

[timm3117]

Why didn't he play? ....

I would assume BK, the coaching staff, and the ND medical staff thought it was best not to have him play. I applaud them for thinking about the kids future (on and off the field) above a game.

 

[mrmiller8]

I would assume BK, the coaching staff, and the ND medical staff thought it was best not to have him play. I applaud them for thinking about the kids future (on and off the field) above a game.

Yeah, Its fairly obvious that he was held out for the concussion, even though he was cleared to play earlier in the week. If this week would have been against Oklahoma, who would have started that game?

 

[ARALOU]

Tommy is one rainbow to Eifert away from an int. Just like last year. He throws those rainbow ducks and Eifert, Jones, and Riddick last week happened to come down with them. Then he throws a head high bullet to Neal I think it was, that gets picked. No fault of his on that one except the ball good have been thrown better. But should have been caught. As for the reads I think Golson should have better handle on it but he buys time to make his reads. That gets him trouble sometime especially when he hesitates to take off or leaves the pocket too early. He certainly brings more to the table than Rees in my opinion.

 

[ARALOU]

Plus wouldnt it be nice to see Eifert hit in stride with a pass instead of him having to turn, jump and land flat on his back to make a catch? I know some of this is because he is covered so well but I cringed everytime he caught a pass wondering if he was gonna injure himself.

 

[BobD]

I was watching the game at work yesterday with a bunch of Stanford, USC and Cal. fans. Everyone had a good laugh when someone asked me why we had a skinny 12yr old at QB.

I like Tommy and all of our players. He's done the best he can, but it is embarassing having to accept that thats the best back-up we have.

Like everything else, BK will improve it in time.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Lol, well very little medical training leads me to simply voicing an opinion/thought, not a definitive statement. He was cleared to practice on tuesday or wednesday so a medical professional said it was fine. (or in this case a base a line test on computer said he was cleared to play). Why didn't he play? That's what I meant by the fact that he could have played....

There's a difference between medically cleared to practice/play (which means the next hit won't have a 50/50 shot of killing you or leaving you with alzheimers for your 30th birthday) and having the cognitive abilities to drive an offense. All reports said he wasnt sharp during his practices this week, if I were coach, I'd be a little wary of starting my QB against a team that we can beat without him.

Would he have played against Oklahoma? Probably not. IF youre worried about your QB's physical wellbeing, plus your teams wellbeing if your QB is having trouble thinking clearly, against a mediocre team...why would you chance it against a really talented team who can make you pay for mistakes and can potentially knock your QB back to his 13th birthday?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Golson will take hits when he plays, thats the downside of a QB thats mobile. If he were a pocket passer like Barkley, Manning, or Brady then he probably would have played because he wouldnt be meet a linebacker head to head in a dead sprint