Tommy was destined for an NFL gig before long well before Saban got turned down by numerous O'Brien replacements and set his eyes on Rees. This is a money grab at best. At worst, it's a straight fuck you to ND and CMF. Anyone who is OK with this can be unequivocally categorized as a cuck.
Perhaps you forgot - Freeman stated in an interview that he and Rees discussed the possibility of getting a QB transfer prior to the start of last season and they decided (i.e. Rees decided) that they had the personnel they needed in the QB room. It had zero to do with Kelly.
Saban wanted to fire BOB but tries not fire guys. He will process them out like bad recruits
Ok. Bill O’Brien still got hired to be the Patriots OC.
"This is a money grab at best." - Except ND said they'd match whatever Alabama offered. It wasn't a money offer that convinced him. I mean it sucks losing your OC, but I don't see it as doom and gloom and "betrayal." Especially since the outcome on Rees is real 50/50 on whether or not he was good at ND. Depending on who we could get, this can be a win-win for all parties.
Not to mention that even while Long was the OC, Tommy was responsible for recruiting and developing the QB position, so the biggest, most glaring deficiency in the offense last year was his doing no matter how you try and slice it.
Cool story. Keep on simping for Overlord Saban.
Think you’re fishing…
And I think you’re naive. I guess we’ll see which one of us is right over time.
IDK about "intel", but the relationship always did seem a little weird. All of the other coaches seem super gungho, excited, fired up, and friendly while Rees was kind of quiet and not like the others. If I were to read into it way too hard, I would say it always felt a little strained maybe, because Freeman came in and was quickly promoted to HC while Rees has been there for a while? Especially when we really struggled on offense and it was a huge burden on the season.
Im naive because i dont think has to be any relationship issues just because a coach left for what any objective person can realize is an upwards move, regardless of title?
Any objective person can see that moving from a team that hasnt won a NY6 bowl in 30 years to a team that has won 6 Nattys since 2009 under the greatest college coach of the modern era is clearly NOT a lateral move though.
Name the last ND OC not named Chip Long to not get a HC position.
Mike Denbrock, 2014 OC, demoted in 2015 to AHC/WR. Went from ND from 2010-2016 to Cincinnati as OC. Then to LSU as OC. Still has never been an actual head coach anywhere.
Huh??? What don't you get about Kelly not being part of the program. AFTER KELLY LEFT, Rees and Freeman decided not to add to their QB Room. Yet incredibly you keep arguing this inane point. I was only discussing how Rees f-ed up last season. And with Freeman being a new HC, young and from the defensive side of the ball, it was really Rees to make sure we had a quality QB room which we didn't have -
Tommy the boy wonder was choice number 6. Why did everyone else say no to Nick the great. It was an upwards move to all of them objectively. You finally get the offensive talent to prove your genius and you bail to an unknown stable of QBs. Seems like the smart move would be to bet on yourself with the top transfer QB, stud OL and RBs, talent at WR and TE, then move to the NFL. Does anyone think Saban is just going to unleash Tommy and let him do what he wants? So yes, I think there’s a bit more to the story than the arc of working and learning from Saint Nick. But that’s me. I have trust issues 😂
Good call actually. But we're living in a world where Charlie Monar got a HC gig FFS. Rees would have had no shortage of college HC or NFL QB/OC options. This move is not a prerequisite.
Just curious, do we actually know who Alabama interviewed? I know Ryan Grubb from UW interviewed but from what I saw from pundits on twitter, no offer was made.
I'm looking at his instagram and I don't see anything?
This does nothing to either prove or disprove the point really though. This is like when people go to sell a house they have lived im for 30 years and think it is worth more than any outside objective person thinks it is worth. Nobody outside of the ND fanbase would consider this lateral, and most objective within the fanbase also realize that.
Hey man I’m rolling. Please don’t ask me for facts. I believe everything I read on here.
The point is his trajectory was already set before taking the Bama job. He's not going to get a better NFL job by maintaining the status quo at Bama. On the other hand, if he actually fielded an elite offense at ND...
I don't think many people operate their livelihood and manage their career under the “my trajectory is already set” assumption. Young, ambitious people operate in the here and now and how do i get to the next step. Nothing more than being the offensive coordinator at ND was given or promised to TR prior to this move. You acting like he should manage his career like its just a given he ends up wherever he wants because that trajectory was already set is asinine. And if his trajectory is already set, then your whole idea of what happens if he engineers an elite offense at ND is meaningless.
He's already set up for career advancement. The best he can do at Bama is maintain the status quo. There was significant room for improvement at ND. Do the math. He went from high ceiling to arriving at the ceiling. He can only hurt his stock now.
And he just did advance his career. Took a pay raise to join one of the two best programs and best coa hes in the country. If he comes back to ND and the offense struggles again next year where does he go from there? Nothing was guaranteed to Tom, so an opportunity for a step forward came and he took it. You’re delusional if think this is lateral.
It's lateral.
