Thoughts on player benefits

[DANsanity15]

I wasn't sure where to post this or if someone else has already put this somewhere else but what are all of your opinions on the limits of what players should receive? I think they should be able to sign endorsements with companies that have some kind of affiliation with the school. I do think an education at a great college is pay enough but for how much money these guys bring in for the schools, I just don't think it's fair for them to have to stay on lockdown and not be able to do anything to make some money during their tenure at their schools

 

[D-BOE34]

They are given housing, food, and education and a chance to play the sport they love. I wouldn't consider it lockdown but I see your point. I understand that just to live and enjoy college you need to be able to make money somehow. Student loans, summer jobs, etc is the way to do that. It is a struggle for most and I get that but its something you have to consider when you make the decision to sign. When you sign you are agreeing to giving everything you have to the school, the classroom and to the teammates and fans. All in exchange for the above.

Am I wrong in thinking that athletes receive a small stipend each month as well?

Its a great debate that I think will never be solved. I love this topic. I like your idea of the schools sponsors being able to fork up some money to the athletes. I can see something like that coming from EA as well.

 

[military_irish]

This debate has been argued at lengths on many different threads. The way I see it though, is just like in any other career job. Most of the time you start out, in college, as an intern to learn the ins and outs of your selected career field. That is the average student, so they have to juggle school work along with an internship. Not all internships are paid, also. So I personally see no difference in a player just playing football, as their internship. The only difference would be alot of benefits come with scholarship players, food, house, paid tuition, etc. The average student pays for all of that. Through loans or out of pocket, depending on the route.

But like it has been mentioned, football is not mandatory, it is a choice. No guarantees come with playing football.

 

[kmoose]

The problem with paid endorsements is this:

Schools like Oregon, who have the financial might of Nike founder Phil Knight behind them will be able to pay a guy millions to endorse their product. How much do you think a guy at Boise State is going to get, for endorsing the local supermarket chain? The rich will be the only schools that will be able to compete.

I would rather see the NCAA review the stipend amount.

As to the money that they make for the schools..........

So what? It's not like a bunch of old white guys are getting filthy rich off of these (mostly) minority kids. The money that these football teams bring in pays for facilities (for all students), expenses for other sports teams, and scholarships for other students.

Everyone who has ever bemoaned the "Me first" mentality of today's student-athletes should be dead set against making it even MORE about the individual.

 

[DANsanity15]

Yea i thought about that with the big schools. Another thing j thought was that they could also do local endorsements. Idk there are a lot arguments and problems, I justvthink they should be allowed to have endorsements if offered

 

[GowerND11]

I wish I could recieve a FREE education for playing a sport I love. Unfortunately I am not playing football in college. Also where does it stop? We talk about how it could work for football and basketball players, but what about, say, the fencing team (which is a national powerhouse at ND). They get nothing?

Also at what level does this stop? What about DII or DIII? Those players are working just as hard out there on the field. Most do so without a scholarship. I just cannot see the argument for paying players. If they cannot afford to attend college then get a loan, get a summer job, work in the dinning hall, or don't go.

 

[BeauBenken]

Scholarship is payment enough. Period.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Scholarship is payment enough. Period.

I was drinkin when I wrote my initial post. Just curious if you have played major college sports to say something like that. Not saying you are right or wrong either way...just curious.

 

[DANsanity15]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of schools paying players. i dont think the schools should pay them because i agree scholarships,living, and food are enough on their part, but they should be allowed (like i said before) to accept endorsements from local companies and businesses associated with the school.

 

[GowerND11]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of schools paying players. i dont think the schools should pay them because i agree scholarships,living, and food are enough on their part, but they should be allowed (like i said before) to accept endorsements from local companies and businesses associated with the school.

Lawyers would have a field day with Title IX if that were to happen. I also feel it would cause a lot of animosity between teammates as to who is getting an endorsement. Endorsements are for professionals. These kids are STUDENT-athletes. I think too many people forget that. Not many programs still keep student apart of that word anymore, but truth is that is their title. NOT professional-athletes.

 

[BGIF]

Lawyers would have a field day with Title IX if that were to happen. I also feel it would cause a lot of animosity between teammates as to who is getting an endorsement. Endorsements are for professionals. These kids are STUDENT-athletes. I think too many people forget that. Not many programs still keep student apart of that word anymore, but truth is that is their title. NOT professional-athletes.

Amen!

 

[BGIF]

Yea i thought about that with the big schools. Another thing j thought was that they could also do local endorsements. Idk there are a lot arguments and problems, I justvthink they should be allowed to have endorsements if offered

And just how long will it take for the agents to arrange those "endorsements".

You would kill college sports.

 

[jmurphy75]

The only area that I question is where there is a video game NCAA 12 or such that uses players likeness, in detail. I'm not sure if the NCAA gets paid or the college gets paid, but it just doesn't seem right that the players get nothing for this especially when the game is still being sold /played after a player is no longer playing due to injury or graduation. I don't know that there is even a fair way to disperse compensation but I think it should be looked at

 

[GowerND11]

Maybe I am in the minority. Maybe I am one of the last people in this country that isn't about money. To have my likeness on a video game as "QB #11" would make my day, heck maybe even year! I would just be honored to be on the game.

On a side note. the EA Sports NCAA football games only have 70 man rosters, so they do have to leave out a few players from the video game. What about those guys? Do they not get compensated if there was a payment plan installed for the players? That too is a slippery slope....

 

[jmurphy75]

Maybe I am in the minority. Maybe I am one of the last people in this country that isn't about money. To have my likeness on a video game as "QB #11" would make my day, heck maybe even year! I would just be honored to be on the game.

On a side note. the EA Sports NCAA football games only have 70 man rosters, so they do have to leave out a few players from the video game. What about those guys? Do they not get compensated if there was a payment plan installed for the players? That too is a slippery slope....

I hear ya and I know it's a slippery slope I just think that if someone besides the school is getting paid for my likeness it is a gray area. The school provides an education to the player (which in my opinion is more than enough) but what does EA Sports provide....where is the exchange? Doe s the school get something or does the non profit NCAA get something?

 

[DANsanity15]

Correct me if I'm wrong but its the NCAA who gets payed. I think the schools get a small amount of compensation because of their logos being used, but for the most part i think its NCAA who gets the money

 

[polishjuice4]

Would you pay all the other sports too? I think that a free education is pay enough. Especially one to a school like Notre Dame.

 

[BeauBenken]

I was drinkin when I wrote my initial post. Just curious if you have played major college sports to say something like that. Not saying you are right or wrong either way...just curious.

Nope. Not at all. But with the price someone has to pay for an education nowadays, I believe that a scholarship is worthwhile payment.

What should be making a scholarship significant to a recruit or player is that with it they are getting a free, quality education. The players most often having a problem with not being payed are the ones who don't see value in an education.

Here's a segment of an article from 2010 about student debt. On average kids leave owing $24,000.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Student loan debt is on the rise, and fewer graduates are getting jobs to pay back what they borrowed.


College seniors who graduated last year owed an average of $24,000 in student loan debt, up 6% from the year before, according to a report from the Project on Student Debt. The data, released on Thursday, is based on an annual analysis of student loan debt at more than 1,000 public and private nonprofit four-year institutions.



At the same time, unemployment for recent college graduates jumped from 5.8% in 2008 to 8.7% in 2009 -- the highest annual rate on record.

- Student loan debt on the rise - Oct. 22, 2010

The fact that you can give someone free board, food, and tuition to play a sport is almost crazy. Nowadays people put way too much into sports.

Do we forget that these are STUDENT athletes? Education comes first.

And sorry if it sounds like this was directed at just you GOIRISH, it wasn't at all. Really just the first sentence or two was. But I just feel like if you told me I could get a free education at Stanford or Notre Dame or Virginia or Duke or any other quality school for working my butt off on a football field, it'd be done in a heart beat.

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And you're also going to walk out of here with a degree from the University of Notre Dame...

This discussion reminded me of that clip. More alone just that line. The education and degree you leave with matters.

 

[DANsanity15]

Very true^

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Nope. Not at all. But with the price someone has to pay for an education nowadays, I believe that a scholarship is worthwhile payment.

What should be making a scholarship significant to a recruit or player is that with it they are getting a free, quality education. The players most often having a problem with not being payed are the ones who don't see value in an education.

Here's a segment of an article from 2010 about student debt. On average kids leave owing $24,000.
- Student loan debt on the rise - Oct. 22, 2010

The fact that you can give someone free board, food, and tuition to play a sport is almost crazy. Nowadays people put way too much into sports.

Do we forget that these are STUDENT athletes? Education comes first.

And sorry if it sounds like this was directed at just you GOIRISH, it wasn't at all. Really just the first sentence or two was. But I just feel like if you told me I could get a free education at Stanford or Notre Dame or Virginia or Duke or any other quality school for working my butt off on a football field, it'd be done in a heart beat.

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This discussion reminded me of that clip. More alone just that line. The education and degree you leave with matters.

Didn't say I disagreed with your original post (in fact, my first post was a little hazy. The wife and I hit the wine pretty hard last night). When you were so emphatic in your statement with very little else, I was just curious if you actually played. Now I know.

 

[kmoose]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of schools paying players. i dont think the schools should pay them because i agree scholarships,living, and food are enough on their part, but they should be allowed (like i said before) to accept endorsements from local companies and businesses associated with the school.

Again, the problem is that the big time Universities are going to be lining up organizations (companies, individuals, etc.) who can offer their players BIG TIME endorsement money, while the smaller schools are going to be stuck with trying to convince the local Barber Shop to pony up a couple of thousand dollars for an endorsement. Where do you think that all of the top prospects are going to end up?

 

[military_irish]

I'll say, what everyone else is saying is on point. Just look at Notre Dame they have Adidas and NBC, they could use both of those to their advantage. Just like Oregon could use Nike to theirs. The top schools will always be on top. The cinderellla stories will never happen, or be far and few between.

 

[D-BOE34]

When it is all broken down I feel like the best result is, "Man up, MAKE IT HAPPEN!"

Not that I am saying it is not a struggle so forth and so on. If you really want it you will get it. PERIOD! Just like Lynch is going to make sure he sees the field, Rosa Parks made sure she made a statement in 1955, just like that homeless girl made her way into Harvard, the same way MLK made a difference, how MJ went from cut to greatest ever and how Macy's failed 7 times before it caught on.

Extreme? Maybe. Point? Yes!

You want it, you got it! Were not talking the extremes of my example and I get that. Were talking about kids who have been granted a dream! Some just can't make it happen and that is why they follow a different path in life. Sucks but that is life. Give an inch and they will take a mile. Sadly, I think, against their own will...

Time to tighten that belt, put on that cap and get after some ***!

 

[irish1958]

ummmm, let's see. I could play at USC and get $5 or 6 k per year in endorsements, or I could play in Billings Montana and get 0.002 K per year. If I am really good, I could get 500 or 1000 K per in LA or perhaps 0.01 K in Billings.
I think I will go to Montana because they have the BIG SKY. Besides these chicks in LA aren't much anyway.
The NCAA does a lot of stupid things, but I think this is beyond them (at this time, anyway).