This is REAL!!!

[Shamrocks and Shenanigans]

As far as Kelly screaming and yelling on the sidelines, we hired an Irishman from Boston, we new what we were getting. I went to school up there and am an Irishman myself as I am sure many of you are. We are a crazy f-ing breed that yell and scream alot. Look at this board for gods sake. He will turn this ship around eventually, I believe that, but I will yell and sream like a true Irishman when he make dumb mistakes under 1:00 with the WIN on the line. Go Irish...beat someone....please!

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

What's a fact is that Kelly's demeanor is very calm, compared to the demeanor of the Drill Sergeant's that I had in Boot Camp. And I can assure you, they got the most out of us. 18-19-20 year old kids are more receptive to this type of behavior than you are giving them credit for, I think.

Comparing the tactics a drill seargent does to prepare young men for BATTLE (To risk their lives for their country) is a FAR stretch from a football coach trying to get the most out of his players.

I've read everybody's response and it seems clear that I obviously wasnt clear...... I don't have an issue with the yelling. I personally was the player that used the yelling to my advantage to light a fire under my ***. What I am pointing out is it is NOT working with his current players. And these are the players he HAS to win with. He needs to find a btter way to "manage" this team and these players cause everything that I have seen (IMO of course....) only shows that he is losing this team.

As for the coddling of Rees at the end of the game....... There was something to be said for that, but..... Maybe, just maybe he knew that it was HIS fault for the interception that Rees threw.

 

[kmoose]

Comparing the tactics a drill seargent does to prepare young men for BATTLE (To risk their lives for their country) is a FAR stretch from a football coach trying to get the most out of his players.

You said, and I quote:

it doesnt take somebody with a genius IQ to know that a good manager (Coaching is all about managing) cannot act like this and get the most out of his players/employees.

I was just offering one case, from personal experience, where your above theory was incorrect. And I mostly used it to illustrate the point that young men (18-19-20-21) generally have a higher tolerance for that kind of behavior. Try that on a bunch of 40 something professionals in their field? You won't be in charge very long. But it's often effective with young men.

 

[TerryTate]

Is Bobby Knight a bad coach? He never got anything out of his players.



Sick of this crap. Grow a pair

 

[Old Man Mike]

With you Terry. My "evidence" that Kelly's sideline persona is not a problem [except possibly with a rare overly sensitive football player], is that it has not prevented any success in his past career. Are we to believe that ND football players are greater babies than his previous players?? I don't want to think that. We on this board have the amazing facility to disregard Kelly's track record in every manner of our knee-jerk opinions.

 

[DCirishfan]

Agree with this, and I've gotten shot down for this. The rest is speculation, since we don't know what is going on up there in South Bend. But I agree that being publicly berated can cause dissension. Actually, I know for a FACT that it causes dissension.

Agreed, Kelly has been depressing thus far. Perhaps we are cursed? Who knows.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

Give me a break. I remember the days when Lou Holtz would drag his players off the field by their facemasks. He'd rap 'em upside the helmet with a whistle, throw his headset....Kelly needs to yell did you watch the game saturday?

 

[DCirishfan]

Lou Holtz never got beat by Tulsa in SB either.

 

[TerryTate]

Lou Holtz never got beat by Tulsa in SB either.

Good one?

 

[irishnd31]

Agree with this, and I've gotten shot down for this. The rest is speculation, since we don't know what is going on up there in South Bend. But I agree that being publicly berated can cause dissension. Actually, I know for a FACT that it causes dissension.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWoD2sQ9LiU

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Jesus Christ, the excuse for us sucking is because kelly yells? WE JUST GOT BEAT AT HOME BY TULSA! If this is the reason for being this terrible, then I cannot wait for whomever the cry baby sissy *** players who can't take being yelled at, to graduate. This is ridiculous. If they weren't dropping balls, missing blocks, and making bad decisions then they wouldn't get yelled at.

ND has a ton of problems, but "yelling" is not one of them.

I think there is one big thing we are over looking with the Tulsa game. How about the fact that we lost by 2? and needed a field goal to beat tulsa with 40 seconds left? The bigger problem is why was Tulsa even close?

 

[lookingdeadred]

Another take ...

Another take ...

I think BK's "coddling" had more to do with the fact that Rees was already an emotional mess at that moment, so yelling would serve no purpose.

As for the coddling of Rees at the end of the game....... There was something to be said for that, but..... Maybe, just maybe he knew that it was HIS fault for the interception that Rees threw.

 

[DCirishfan]

The answer to our problems to me is simple. Get big ole line men on both sides of the ball and run run run run run run.

 

[IrishinSyria]

The answer to our problems to me is simple. Get big ole line men on both sides of the ball and run run run run run run.

Wisconsin does look good this year...

 

[ChiefSecond]

yeah be nice to the kids..buy them cupcakes for getting their asses kicked.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Jesus Christ, the excuse for us sucking is because kelly yells? WE JUST GOT BEAT AT HOME BY TULSA! If this is the reason for being this terrible, then I cannot wait for whomever the cry baby sissy *** players who can't take being yelled at, to graduate. This is ridiculous. If they weren't dropping balls, missing blocks, and making bad decisions then they wouldn't get yelled at.

ND has a ton of problems, but "yelling" is not one of them.

I think there is one big thing we are over looking with the Tulsa game. How about the fact that we lost by 2? and needed a field goal to beat tulsa with 40 seconds left? The bigger problem is why was Tulsa even close?

lol. Methinks a chill pill is in order, and maybe a class in prevention of leaps in logic.

I don't remember the progression of the conversation about "yelling", but I do remember posting somewhere an opinion, and adding that it is such a minor point that the only place I have seen the topic come up is on this site. Many on another thread leaped to the conclusion that Dayne Crist all of a sudden had developed a bad attitude, based on a one second shot on NBC where he was taking off his chin strap as Kelly tore into him.

My point in all this, and I have been speaking in generalities, not poking at Kelly and asking for his head, is that yelling after an "honest" mistake might be counterproductive. The other ridiculous leap in logic posted by many is that if you don't yell (cuz this is football dammit!) then you are obviously "coddling." I'm sorry, but that is shear nonsense. Others have said they needed a coach to get in their face and cuss and scream to motivate them. Well I say, if I have an athlete that I need to cuss and scream at in order to motivate him, I wouldn't waste my time with him and I would just bench his ***. I mean really, who the hell needs an athlete on the team that requires such extreme tactics on a D1 level after every series? Just bench his ***, or look internally to make sure you are not the problem to begin with.

In my mind, if a coach -any coach- is constantly yelling his head off in frustration, that could indicate underlying problems overall. Again, this is a very minor issue, but it has been fun discussing it. lol.

And k1ssme1m1r1sh, Holtz yanked a guy by the mask exactly one time that I ever saw. This does not mean he did it all the time. And it was after a crucial and stupid stupid move on the athlete's part.

 

[ChiefSecond]

Dude, sorry that is SUCH crap. It may not be the second they walk off the field when the camera's are on them..But you can bet your *** Saban, Meyer, chip kelly, and Stoops rip those guys to pieces every game and practice. There is no positive reinforcement for F'ing anything up. Coach K is notorious at Duke for riding players harder than anyone in basketball.
So yeah..When dayne crist doesnt make a play that even ray charles could see he's going to rightfully get torn to pieces. Just so happens that's the case with dayne every single series.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Dude, sorry that is SUCH crap. It may not be the second they walk off the field when the camera's are on them..But you can bet your *** Saban, Meyer, chip kelly, and Stoops rip those guys to pieces every game and practice. There is no positive reinforcement for F'ing anything up. Coach K is notorious at Duke for riding players harder than anyone in basketball.
So yeah..When dayne crist doesnt make a play that even ray charles could see he's going to rightfully get torn to pieces. Just so happens that's the case with dayne every single series.

So bench him, stupid.

See how easy that was?

 

[BurningRiver]

right now kelly is playing with weis's recruits. kelly's regime is the polar opposite of what weis stood for: intense practices, quick games, totally different offense, etc.

a lot of these players did not come to notre dame to play for kelly. they came to notre dame because they believed that weis could help guide them to the fast track leading to the NFL. when kelly arrived, he changed the mentality so fast that a lot of the players still do not understand what kelly wants of them exactly.

kelly is recruiting guys right now who not only fit his system but fit HIM as well. once he has players that are mostly his recruits, then we can make judgements like this.

also, i think that kelly's staff should be fired. not him, but his staff... save maybe diaco, because his D has done a pretty solid job except for the stanford and navy debacles.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

right now kelly is playing with weis's recruits. kelly's regime is the polar opposite of what weis stood for: intense practices, quick games, totally different offense, etc.

a lot of these players did not come to notre dame to play for kelly. they came to notre dame because they believed that weis could help guide them to the fast track leading to the NFL. when kelly arrived, he changed the mentality so fast that a lot of the players still do not understand what kelly wants of them exactly.

kelly is recruiting guys right now who not only fit his system but fit HIM as well. once he has players that are mostly his recruits, then we can make judgements like this.

also, i think that kelly's staff should be fired. not him, but his staff... save maybe diaco, because his D has done a pretty solid job except for the stanford and navy debacles.

Wow. How can you say what you said through most of your post, then finish it by calling for the staff to get fired? Now that is funny. Special teams, until this past Saturday, have been extremely effective. D is good for the most part. You yourself said Kelly is trying to play with CW's athletes. How then, can you blame either line coach for trying to fit the wrong peg? This staff needs AT LEAST 3 years before you can get an indication. Maybe 2 years. I'm not kidding you though, I saw midway through Ty's first season, even though they were winning, that unless he made some major changes, his scheme was going to fail. Unlucky lucky observation I guess. I never want ND to fail.

 

[BurningRiver]

Wow. How can you say what you said through most of your post, then finish it by calling for the staff to get fired? Now that is funny. Special teams, until this past Saturday, have been extremely effective. D is good for the most part. You yourself said Kelly is trying to play with CW's athletes. How then, can you blame either line coach for trying to fit the wrong peg? This staff needs AT LEAST 3 years before you can get an indication. Maybe 2 years. I'm not kidding you though, I saw midway through Ty's first season, even though they were winning, that unless he made some major changes, his scheme was going to fail. Unlucky lucky observation I guess. I never want ND to fail.

youre right. i guess i don't think the staff should be fired. i think i just threw that in there without thinking about it...

i was just trying to make the point that kelly looks like he knows what hes doing for the most part (although the risky playcalls and the arrogance continues to astound me) but i think it seems like we aren't prepared on a week-to-week basis. some of that has to fall on the shoulders of kelly, as well as his staff.

 

[ChiefSecond]

They ARE running COMPLETELY different offenses, SO WHAT?

These four star athletes aren't robots or retards...like they can't pick up a spread offense and run it pitch perfect against navy, tulsa, and michigan who might have the worst defense we played all season.

Right now it's purely a quaterbacking issue..this whole thing could turn around 180 depending on how hendrix comes on next yr. Cause it's not gonna be tommy or dayne.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

They ARE running COMPLETELY different offenses, SO WHAT?

These four star athletes aren't robots or retards...like they can't pick up a spread offense and run it pitch perfect against navy, tulsa, and michigan who might have the worst defense we played all season.

Right now it's purely a quaterbacking issue..this whole thing could turn around 180 depending on how hendrix comes on next yr. Cause it's not gonna be tommy or dayne.

But they didn't. Have you seen the running game?

 

[irishnd31]

They ARE running COMPLETELY different offenses, SO WHAT?

These four star athletes aren't robots or retards...QUOTE]

Easy there Chief. I take great offense.