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What if...instead of paying student athletes...

The NCAA was forced to take their millions in profits and funnel it back to the schools to help combat rising tuition costs for general ed students?

The vast majority of money in college sports is already funneled back to the schools, who mostly invest it in more sports (ever-bigger staffs, facilities, subsidizing non-revenue sports).
You can say put “the profits” into tuition or aid or whatever, and sometimes that does happen a bit, but most will just increase the spending on sports so that whatever “profits” they have to turn over to general education are so small as to be meaningless.
 

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Do you got a link for the Clemson stuff?

My old man's cousin played for them. I'd love to be able to bring that up at the next reunion.

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Clemson is who they are now and not who they were for the first hundred years of their existence strictly because they started buying 5-star players. They did it brazenly, everyone knew they were doing it, they got caught with multiple prospects posting wads of cash on social media, and nothing happened. Now, they don't need to do that. Auburn got a title solely because they outbid other teams for Cam Newton. Unless you're very stupid about it (see: Ole Miss, USC, etc.) cheating has always been worth it in CFB.

How much of this do you think goes on at ND? Or any at all?
 

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How much of this do you think goes on at ND? Or any at all?

Plead the 5th.

Kidding aside, when you're talking about actual pay-for-play in recruiting I'm not aware of that happening at ND when I was there and I certainly doubt it happens now. It's a minority of schools (hint: they're pretty much all in the South) actually have "bag men" involved in recruiting. What's funny is how openly many ND players will talk off the record about what they've gotten offered from various places. Nobody snitches.
 

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Plead the 5th.

Kidding aside, when you're talking about actual pay-for-play in recruiting I'm not aware of that happening at ND when I was there and I certainly doubt it happens now. It's a minority of schools (hint: they're pretty much all in the South) actually have "bag men" involved in recruiting. What's funny is how openly many ND players will talk off the record about what they've gotten offered from various places. Nobody snitches.

Can you blame everybody for not snitching? One of the reporters who was digging into Penn State ended up at the bottom of a lake along with his computer drive.
 

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I don't understand what is so complicated about this. Baseball has it figured out.

You want to make money on your name, then go pro and risk not getting your education. Hopefully it works out.

Or, go to school, get a free education...and go pro afterwards.
 

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I don't understand what is so complicated about this. Baseball has it figured out.

You want to make money on your name, then go pro and risk not getting your education. Hopefully it works out.

Or, go to school, get a free education...and go pro afterwards.

But baseball has a minor league. No 18 year old is ready to physically compete in the NFL, or maybe 1 per generation like Clowney.
 

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But baseball has a minor league. No 18 year old is ready to physically compete in the NFL, or maybe 1 per generation like Clowney.

Because baseball invests in a minor league. So does hockey and, to a growing extent, basketball. The NFL has always had college football to grow 18-year-old kids into 22-year-old war machines, for free, while the colleges get a certain big-time football brand of their own, with the whiff of amateurism, to sell to TV, alums and prospective students.
The system works for all involved, except for a lot of the actual players.
 

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Because baseball invests in a minor league. So does hockey and, to a growing extent, basketball. The NFL has always had college football to grow 18-year-old kids into 22-year-old war machines, for free, while the colleges get a certain big-time football brand of their own, with the whiff of amateurism, to sell to TV, alums and prospective students.
The system works for all involved, except for a lot of the actual players.

Yes but there's no incentive for the NFL to invest into a farm system with things working as they are. The NCAA is going to have to come up with a solution to this problem and it can't be switching to a baseball model that won't work for 99.99% of the football players.
 

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Yes but there's no incentive for the NFL to invest into a farm system with things working as they are. The NCAA is going to have to come up with a solution to this problem and it can't be switching to a baseball model that won't work for 99.99% of the football players.

Exactly. Which is why the "if they want to get paid they should go pro" argument doesn't really work here.

One option that might work is the development of a minor league - maybe it's the XFL or AFA - that gives a professional option to talented kids who aren't NFL-ready but want to get paid something and not "play school." But after watching those leagues try, I don't see how the economics really work without sizable subsidy from the NFL. And at present the NFL has no reason to subsidize it, because college football develops players better anyway, for free.

The other is, sort of as LAX suggested, major reform to the NCAA system that:

A: Holds schools accountable for the promises they make to students (four-year scholarships, good/better academic counseling, serious consequences for low graduation rates, etc.) so that that free college tuition players receive is actually worth something.

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B: Gives athletes in revenue sports some modest, standardized, compensation. They've gotten better at this in recent years with the stipends and such. But a standard base "salary" would go a long way to defusing this argument. I'm not sure what the right number is, but, say, $40,000 a year is a good living for a 20 year old (who also gets free housing and food), enables them to help their family, etc. And across an 85-man roster it would only cost $3.4 million a year. Pretty sure most P5 programs could find that in the couch cushions.

Those two things - a real education and a fair, modest, pay structure - would do a lot to solve this, I think. But the schools have to want to.
 

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The fix is simple. Have the NFL accept kids straight out of high school (Save the not physically ready argument). There can be rules put in place along the lines that Lax posted above to keep things as honest as possible.

It won’t take long for them to start realizing a paid education for playing FB is not a bad alternative to working at Whataburger or slinging garbage cans.
 
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