The sky is not falling

[MeanGreen]

Just a reminder we did not lose the NC today! Heck we weren't get there if we ran the table anyway. Also, Kelly is in game 8 of his first year. Did we play bad today. Yes we did. Am I angry. You betcha. Am I ready for him to resign or be fired Monday, like others. Nope. I hate comparisons, but Lou was 5 - 6 his first year. Probably had more talent on the D side of the ball than we do now. Pretty sure his offensive scheme was easier to pick up because just about everyone was still running that in high school back in the early 80's. And Faust had some option in his playbook.

If this was year three I would say dump him. The players need time to develop and understand his schemes. If Navy gets a new coach next year that want to run the spread offense and a 4 - 3 defense, they will have the same problems. Heck if UM, MSU or Stanford get coaches that have a complete different philosophy than their current coaches they will have problems.

This is a learning experience for both players and coaches. The coaches have to learn how to teaches these guys to win, and fight, and support each other. The players have to learn the system and how to win and gut out a performance when some one is missing or not playing their best.

GO IRISH

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

The sky fell dude. This game was a disgrace to any football team and the game of football.

 

[Riddickulous]

We will be hampered by our defense until Kelly gets us some speed.

Our defensive backs, in particular, are well coached, they're just slow as hell. Watch Walls and Gray when somebody breaks free for a long gain. They are mind-numbingly slow. That fullback today looked like Denard Robinson on that 54 yarder.

It'll be a long process with a lot of growing pains. It's not happening overnight, guys.

We were too optimistic. This team was really far in the pits following the Weis firing. It'll take a long time to get back on track.

If it takes five years, let it. You've got to believe we can prevail.

 

[IrishChris209]

Just a reminder we did not lose the NC today! Heck we weren't get there if we ran the table anyway. Also, Kelly is in game 8 of his first year. Did we play bad today. Yes we did. Am I angry. You betcha. Am I ready for him to resign or be fired Monday, like others. Nope. I hate comparisons, but Lou was 5 - 6 his first year. Probably had more talent on the D side of the ball than we do now. Pretty sure his offensive scheme was easier to pick up because just about everyone was still running that in high school back in the early 80's. And Faust had some option in his playbook.

If this was year three I would say dump him. The players need time to develop and understand his schemes. If Navy gets a new coach next year that want to run the spread offense and a 4 - 3 defense, they will have the same problems. Heck if UM, MSU or Stanford get coaches that have a complete different philosophy than their current coaches they will have problems.

This is a learning experience for both players and coaches. The coaches have to learn how to teaches these guys to win, and fight, and support each other. The players have to learn the system and how to win and gut out a performance when some one is missing or not playing their best.

GO IRISH

I agree, but how many years have we been saying wait till next year or the next coach or give him time. We want results now not 3 years from now. I am in SEC country and other than Vandy we could not beat any of the SEC teams right now. That is sad. I can remember everyone giving BOOB Davie a Chance, then Ty, then Charlie "no respect" was given a chance. Now Kelly. I have just one question: what's it going to take to be a Power House again meaning 10-2 or better? We have the talent but what's the problem. We have had 4 coaches since Lou and what has happened NOT SH^T.

 

[McInator]

kindly stfu

 

[Riddickulous]

I agree, but how many years have we been saying wait till next year or the next coach or give him time. We want results now not 3 years from now. I am in SEC country and other than Vandy we could not beat any of the SEC teams right now. That is sad. I can remember everyone giving BOOB Davie a Chance, then Ty, then Charlie "no respect" was given a chance. Now Kelly. I have just one question: what's it going to take to be a Power House again meaning 10-2 or better? We have the talent but what's the problem. We have had 4 coaches since Lou and what has happened NOT SH^T.

The problem is a lack of passion and more importantly a total lack of speed on defense. The latter is a problem that won't be rectified until Kelly's recruits hit the field. That could be down the road.

I think we'll be really good by 2014. Andrew Hendrix will be a fifth-year senior and all of the speed Kelly is recruiting will be experienced and on the field.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Hey! First off, those of you who were so c0cky prior to the season (predicting 10+ wins no problem) you were ridiculously overoptimistic. New offensive scheme new defensive scheme (third switch in 3 years btw)...10 wins?? Personally I was hoping for 8 wins and settling for 7.

Now, that reality is setting in, the road is littered with the limp bodies of the bandwagon jumpers...what else is new? I will see you all back on board in a season or two.

lol "C0CKY" was filtered out the first time

 

[NDOM]

Hey! First off, those of you who were so ****y prior to the season (predicting 10+ wins no problem) you were ridiculously overoptimistic. New offensive scheme new defensive scheme (third switch in 3 years btw)...10 wins?? Personally I was hoping for 8 wins and settling for 7.

Now, that reality is setting in, the road is littered with the limp bodies of the bandwagon jumpers...what else is new? I will see you all back on board in a season or two.

Uhhhh no you wont. 2011 isnt pretty and 2012 is worse. 2012 is gonna be another 3-9 year. So tired of hearing this.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

what's it going to take to be a Power House again meaning 10-2 or better? We have the talent but what's the problem. We have had 4 coaches since Lou and what has happened NOT SH^T.

Who knows? The fact is Stoops was in Indianapolis with Swarbrick last December, and whatever happened that made him walk out the door without signing on might have cost the program a lot more than anyone realized at the time.

I still hope Kelly can get it done over time, but we needed that home run and didn't get it, and now we all have to pay the price for several years, at the least. All we have left is blind faith now.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

The sky fell on the season. But, that doesn't mean it fell for the Kelly era.

 

[tko]

i'm just wondering why Kelly didn't yell at anyone today. was he told not to, was he too disgusted to bother? he had zero intensity. i am simply shocked by what i saw today.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

He lit into Dayne after one of the picks.

 

[IrishInColumbus]

We can have success sooner than you think. You are never as bad as you look, calm down.

 

[Riddickulous]

We can have success sooner than you think. You are never as bad as you look, calm down.

I think we have enough experience to win 9 games next year. We'll have a rough year in 2012, but we'll begin to see the light beginning in 2013.

 

[military_irish]

I would not say the sky is falling. Pretty much the whole offense was not in this game, Rudolph, Floyd, Riddick, and AA is still fighting through injury. Not making excuses, just stating facts.

On the defensive side this is a coaching staff that has basically no experience coaching against it. You don't know what you are going up against until it hits you in the mouth.

I have no reason than to be optimistic for the future, until all the commits decommit and the players just give up and don't care. I'll be looking up.

Most realisticly thought that ND would lose anywhere from 4-6 losses, but when a loss occurs its as if ND is falling into the pits.

But on a side note i think the sky was literally falling because their were tornado warnings going on as the game was on. But i never left the couch.

 

[irishff1014]

I would not say the sky is falling. Pretty much the whole offense was not in this game, Rudolph, Floyd, Riddick, and AA is still fighting through injury. Not making excuses, just stating facts.

This does not matterin college football. You are supposed to have Depth that can fill in. The good teams have that we don't and it showed today. I think Crist took 5 steps backwards today.

 

[IrishAddiction]

The sky fell on the season. But, that doesn't mean it fell for the Kelly era.

Couldnt have said it better. This season is shot, the only bowl games we have a chance in are cupcake bowl games with little recognition. This season, is done for the most part.

The only thought I have in the back of my mind is the fact that Kelly isnt starting his ND tenure off as the next "Savior" of Notre Dame football.... and I dont think thats entirely a bad thing. The two coaches prior to kelly, both started their coaching years at Notre Dame off like fire, Willingham being the first coach at ND to start his tenure with 10 wins in his first season, and Weis following close behind with 9 in his first season. Holtz started his ND career off with a 5-6 record (though 5 out of 6 losses were very close losses at that.). Hopefully kelly truly turns something around next season, because these records will not cut it at ND.

Im praying these are just growing pains. Concerns abound in my mind like every other fan... to be honest I was worried when I found out Jeff Quinn, Kellys OC mastermind for 20 some years wasnt coming on board with him. Crist looks unconfident and shaky at best most of the time. Defense has been porous all season with poor technique and positioning.

Some observations IMO, we lack great football speed on BOTH sides of the ball. We dont have a Tate this year on offense to give us that explosion on offense. Secondary, LBs, and DL all look slow. Its a clear observation. Im not talking 40 times, Im talking football speed. Very different.

Im hoping the guys Kelly brings in have that speed. If not, we will never be the elite team every notre dame fan wants us to be. For now though, all we can do is wait... something the ND nation is not well known for.

 

[irishff1014]

Well said they didn't build rome over night but it didn't take 25 years either

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Uhhhh no you wont. 2011 isnt pretty and 2012 is worse. 2012 is gonna be another 3-9 year. So tired of hearing this.

Then why are you still here you blunt smokin' duck???? Be gone.

 

[military_irish]

I would not say the sky is falling. Pretty much the whole offense was not in this game, Rudolph, Floyd, Riddick, and AA is still fighting through injury. Not making excuses, just stating facts.

This does not matterin college football. You are supposed to have Depth that can fill in. The good teams have that we don't and it showed today. I think Crist took 5 steps backwards today.

that's not entirely correct, the number one team in the country right now lost 5 games last year because of injuries.

Florida lost one really good player and is normally regarded as a power house but lost 3 in a row so far, from losing one crucial part to their offense.

Texas and the championship is another example, and they are regarded as a good team.

Georgia loses Green and they lose 3 games, but they are regarded as being good when especially since they are in the SEC. He comes back and they are on a roll again.

and the list can go on, with "good" teams. So it does matter in college football, especially if you lose almost all your playmakers on offense as did ND.
That doesn't account for the defensive woes, but offensively it contributes.

 

[irishff1014]

But the good teams Bama their number one running back gets hurt they bring the back up in and is good. Last yr with Cincy and the 2 QBs.

 

[military_irish]

But the good teams Bama their number one running back gets hurt they bring the back up in and is good. Last yr with Cincy and the 2 QBs.

Cincy is not a good team, dare I say it was their coaching. Look at what happened when they played Florida.

If you take away both RB's from Alabama see how good they will do, as ND lost it's top 3 receivers.

Alabamas defense will keep them in games but if they lose both RB's it won't be good for their offense. For example they were both held to around 60 total yards against South Carolina and lost by 10. So if they are not in the game at all from injury it will effect them greatly.

I understand depth is needed at any level, but it also effects a teams performance when their are injuries.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

... For now though, all we can do is wait... something the ND nation is not well known for.

Wait for what? Either you are a winner, or you make excuses for your lose-ability.

(By the way, welcome back safely my good friend.)

 

[DirtySecret]

Then why are you still here you blunt smokin' duck???? Be gone.

It's fun to antagonize.. We'll get our pity win next week..

 

[BurningRiver]

Brian Kelly has been here for EIGHT GAMES. alright just thought that should be established.

If there was one thing chuck could do, it was recruit offense. But only offense. That would explain the lack of defensive speed. That should also be established.

Chuck recruited offensive players who fit his "slow-moving-grind-it-up-the-middle/throw-it-as-far-as-you-can-to-your-best-receiver-type offense That's why, while these players are talented, blue-chip recruits, they have been playing in a slow, pro-style system for their entire college career. Dayne Crist is a dropback, pocket quarterback. Not a "SNAP THE BALL! THROW!" type quarterback. he's young. he's coming off an injury. and if he doesn't work, I've heard nothing but good things about andrew hendrix.

Kelly has a nice recruiting class going on. and that counts for offense AND defense.

We can't blow up after a 4-4 start. Weis left this program in shambles. Rome wasn't (re)built in a day.

 

[Irish Insanity]

The sky has not fallen. But yes we are not a good team right now. Is there better times ahead? Yes. But what is sad is the many people that claim to be ND fans, but quickly bail when they aren't ranked at the top. I am a fan. A fan at 0-11, and at 11-0. If you are one so quick to bail when things aren't the best, that shows enough of your character, and no more needs to be said. I don't mind hearing we suck, bcuz we do. There may not be a lot pretty about the team right now, but that definitely doesn't make us the worst college team in the country. I'll get a call into Brian Kelly to pull the bandwagon over on the bye week. Those of you who would like to get off safely, please do, before you get thrown off.

 

[IrishAddiction]

Wait for what? Either you are a winner, or you make excuses for your lose-ability.

(By the way, welcome back safely my good friend.)

Thanks for the welcome back, its good to be home.

Waiting for something we havent had in along time. BCS wins, more specifically, BCS championship caliber teams.

Dont think we will wait as long with kelly as we did with Weis, and I wouldnt expect less. Cupboard is far from being left empty this time around. But with two seasons, I think he can and will produce. If we arent going BCS and winning BCS in the next two seasons, I have a hard time believing the administration will wait, because they sure as hell know we will not.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

I'm not worried about the sky falling. Thanks to Weis, I spent the day running the Jeep up and down the hills in So. Ind. enjoying a glorious day and admiring the overwhelming beauty of nature this fall season. Saw several deer and about dozen wild turkeys.

I caught just a few minutes of the game on the radio...the goal line stand sequence. After ND failed to punch it in, the Criqmeister said defensive stands at the goal line can be real game-changers. I turned it off but I guess Navy took position and went 99 yards for a score? I guess the old geezer was right.

One other thing came to mind after the failed attempt. I recall Madden saying many times to take the FG in that situation, be the first to put points on the board. Easy to be an armchair QB, but I remember Madden when he coached Oakland and he was pretty sharp.

I caught a recap of the game stats and heard Navy had just a handful of pass attempts. I wonder if ND knew Navy was a run-oriented team? (yes, sarcasm intended)

 

[phgreek]

Just a reminder we did not lose the NC today! Heck we weren't get there if we ran the table anyway. Also, Kelly is in game 8 of his first year. Did we play bad today. Yes we did. Am I angry. You betcha. Am I ready for him to resign or be fired Monday, like others. Nope. I hate comparisons, but Lou was 5 - 6 his first year. Probably had more talent on the D side of the ball than we do now. Pretty sure his offensive scheme was easier to pick up because just about everyone was still running that in high school back in the early 80's. And Faust had some option in his playbook.

If this was year three I would say dump him. The players need time to develop and understand his schemes. If Navy gets a new coach next year that want to run the spread offense and a 4 - 3 defense, they will have the same problems. Heck if UM, MSU or Stanford get coaches that have a complete different philosophy than their current coaches they will have problems.

This is a learning experience for both players and coaches. The coaches have to learn how to teaches these guys to win, and fight, and support each other. The players have to learn the system and how to win and gut out a performance when some one is missing or not playing their best.

GO IRISH

There is alot of truth to this...but still...its Navy. Navy certainly is not Michigan or Michigan State or Stanford. Even when failing to be at the top of our game, we should be able to push these guys all over the field. I get they have heart...I get they have a real good tripple option attack...but SERIOUSLY...its Navy, and teams have, and will shut them down. Tired of hearing how "good" they are...bull****. We played like Beatches today...I'll say it again...I hope Kelly makes them all vow to sit down to pee until they redeem themselves.

 

[irishff1014]

i agree that if we are 0-11 or 11-0 i am a fan but we also have the right to complain about it either way not that it will change much though.