The Real Peyton Manning Thread

[WabashFalcon]

So... who's here bashing on Peyton?

 

[MacIrish75]

Congrats. He torched the 24th ranked pass defense. That said, he did make much better decisions tonight.

 

[military_irish]

Peyton is easily the top 3 or better QB in the NFL, anyone that bashes him is a fair weather fan.

He'll break every QB record in the book, and win 1 or 2 more Super Bowls. Super Bowl wins, do not make a QB, I mean Trent Dilfer won one, he isn't even in the top 100 of Qb's, so Tom Brady could win 2 more doesn't mean he is that best.

 

[TerryTate]

He has been a solid fantasy draft pick

 

[WabashFalcon]

Bad decisions?

He took sacks instead of forcing it.

He made... one bad throw? That, and he beat on Cortland Finniagan like a red-headed stepchild.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

Its all such crap Last year Tom Brady is done can't come back from injury this year MVP talk .Manning is having a off year he is one best quarterbacks ever!!!!!!!!!!This coming from someone who hates the Colts.Who would you trade for Manning no one in NFL thats who . (I would trade for Brady but im really Biased).Off year with ton of team injuries someday he will get old and suck.and I won't lie I'm gonna enjoy it when he does but hes not there yet not by a longshot.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Brady's great... I just wish Peyton had your Oline.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Peyton will be just fine. So many times when he has had bad games, he was trying to force throws and was trying too much. He has not had alot of his players around him and he has struggled at times this year. The Colts defense has been ravaged by injuries as well as our offense. His favorite target, (Clark) has been out for a long time, then add in there Austin Collie, Gonzales and some Offensive linemen in the injury mix too. Peyton has been pressured almost every single time he throws and has taken a ton of hits. I'm proud of my Colts and their nice win here in Nashville last night. Peyton is still Peyton and we will still watch him for a few more years. The two best quarterbacks in the League right now are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

When considering the stats and wins, taking into account the fact that

(1) for 85% of his career he's had no running game,
(2) he's never had a good defense,
(3) the colts refuse to sign free agents,
(4) on any other team his WR's, with the exception of Dallas Clark and M. Harrison in his prime, would be mediocre,
(5) he's never had an above-average left-tackle, and yes I'm saying Tarik Glenn was never really above-average (or if he was it wasn't by much and was for at most 1-2 years)
and
(6) he continually has had to go up against the Patriots, probably one of the best teams of all time, then...

Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time. No other quarterback with stats even close to his has had to put up with *any* of the above listed detriments.

 

[NDinL.A.]

This thread is a waste of time, in the sense that the oly person on here who thinks that Manning is done is a poster who emotes (rather pathetically) and overexaggerates like a 12 year-old girl every time something remotely bad happens to one of his teams. Anybody with a brain knows how great Peyton Manning is and how much football he has left in him.

Now, the post above offers up some great points for discussion, especially his assertion that Manning is the greatest QB of all-time (which I disagree with big time, but I don't have time right now to spell out why I disagree). That's a great argument to discuss; saying Peyton Manning is great is like saying Notre Dame is beautiful...yawn.

 

[WabashFalcon]

This thread is a waste of time, in the sense that the oly person on here who thinks that Manning is done is a poster who emotes (rather pathetically) and overexaggerates like a 12 year-old girl every time something remotely bad happens to one of his teams. Anybody with a brain knows how great Peyton Manning is and how much football he has left in him.

Now, the post above offers up some great points for discussion, especially his assertion that Manning is the greatest QB of all-time (which I disagree with big time, but I don't have time right now to spell out why I disagree). That's a great argument to discuss; saying Peyton Manning is great is like saying Notre Dame is beautiful...yawn.

I... I love you.

 

[TDHeysus]

I think Peyton is the best QB in the NFL, bar none. Tom Brady is playing very well right now and is a close 2nd; in the past, Brady has always had the better supporting cast, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

that being said, I believe Brady is the NFL MVP at this point in the season. NE has alot of players that are new to the team, and its quite clear that Tom Brady has the leadership role on that team; and it appears that the guys on the team are responding to him. Brady is having an incredible year.

I have to add this, John Elway was the greatest QB of all time. This is coming from a lifelong Raider fan. Elways first 3 super bowls didnt have not one pro bowler on his team. Until the end of his career Elway NEVER had a running game, never; and the defense on those teams were not good. but he somehow willed his team to 4 super bowls(only to get famously whacked). It wasnt until terell davis gave him a running game did Elway finally win 2 super bowls, finishing 2-4 in super bowls. Being a Raider fan, I could not appreciate his skills because I was too busy wishing him to fail. But after his career was over, and a few years went by, and my 'raiderness' allowed me to see Elway as the stud that he was.

Elway is the man

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Two more things make him great that people overlook:

(1) He was the #1 draft pick, which, IMO, no other truly great QB has been. By definition he went to the very worst team in the league. There is a reason why QB busts like Jeff George, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, Tim Couth, and David Carr, (Alex Smith? Andre Ware?) happen so often -- being a long term QB on a ****ty team is damn near impossible. (Compare that John Elway and Peyton's brother who both were drafted #1 and, knowing this, pouted their way to a trade).

(2) No player in NFL history has thrown more 300 yard games.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Elways first 3 super bowls didnt have not one pro bowler on his team.

I'm not totally sure about the timing, but you might want to double-check that. Zimmerman, for example, is in the HOF, so I'd be very surprised if he never made the Pro Bowl. Off the top of my head, I think Mecklenburg, Tom Jackson, Steve Atwater and maybe even Romanowski made the pro bowl as well.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Two more things make him great that people overlook:

(1) He was the #1 draft pick, which, IMO, no other truly great QB has been. By definition he went to the very worst team in the league. There is a reason why QB busts like Jeff George, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, Tim Couth, and David Carr, (Alex Smith? Andre Ware?) happen so often -- being a long term QB on a ****ty team is damn near impossible. (Compare that John Elway and Peyton's brother who both were drafted #1 and, knowing this, pouted their way to a trade).

Gotta give Polian a lot of credit for that too. He was able to get Peyton Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Jeff Saturday, and the other contributors who have made this team a constant playoff contender and took them to 2 Super Bowls.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Gotta give Polian a lot of credit for that too. He was able to get Peyton Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Jeff Saturday, and the other contributors who have made this team a constant playoff contender and took them to 2 Super Bowls.

Polians greatest idea was drafting Marvin Harison 1st round in 1997.

Polian new that Marvin was going to be good, and he knew Marvin wouldn't help the Colts until they got a new QB.

Polian kind of threw the 1997 season under the bus so he could get a great QB like Manning in '98.

Polian is a stud. However, he needs to patch the O-line.

All this talk about Bill Polian is making me miss Brian Polian, his son

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Polian's definitely been a great drafter, but his refusal to sign free agents almost cancels it out. What you have now is a bunch of great draft picks injured, and their backups are total scrubs.

Without Manning the Colts, right now, would easily be the worst team in the league.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

It's not a refusal. It's not being able to sign free agents because of money. Now with no salary cap I want to see the Colts sign a lineman or two (Ryan Harris anyone?) and rebuild the line. Rebuild the line and this team is the best team in the league.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

It's not a refusal. It's not being able to sign free agents because of money.

True, he hasn't had as much as others, for sure, but for example last year they were $8 million under and...[crickets]. I'm not saying he should have signed T.O. or anything, but c'mon.

 

[bigeasy47]

needs serious help with the o-line and another back like edge thats when the colts started to be nasty. if they could actually run some clock there defense wouldnt look as bad as it does.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Jared Gaither and Logan Mankins...


Not that I've thought of that or anything...

 

[ACamp1900]

Peyton Manning at his best is the best quarter back I have ever seen...

better than Elway, better than Marino, better than Brady, and yes even better than Montana...

at his position... I don't think I have ever seen better.

and yes, it has been a difficult year thus far... time will tell.

 

[PatsandBostonfan1975]

When considering the stats and wins, taking into account the fact that

(1) for 85% of his career he's had no running game,
(2) he's never had a good defense,
(3) the colts refuse to sign free agents,
(4) on any other team his WR's, with the exception of Dallas Clark and M. Harrison in his prime, would be mediocre,
(5) he's never had an above-average left-tackle, and yes I'm saying Tarik Glenn was never really above-average (or if he was it wasn't by much and was for at most 1-2 years)
and
(6) he continually has had to go up against the Patriots, probably one of the best teams of all time, then...

Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time. No other quarterback with stats even close to his has had to put up with *any* of the above listed detriments.

not any of those 1-5 are true 6 is though

 

[WabashFalcon]

not any of those 1-5 are true 6 is though

1 isn't true. With Edge, we had a moden day tripletts.

Polian NEVER signs free agents of any worth. He signed Adam Terry (who was cut before camp ended). THAT was his big FA signing.

I think Terik was a Legit LT.

But... Peyton makes Tamme, Stokley, et. al. look much better than they really are.

I'm all for homersim, but really? 2-5 are legit statements.

 

[NDinL.A.]

When considering the stats and wins, taking into account the fact that

(1) for 85% of his career he's had no running game,
(2) he's never had a good defense,
(3) the colts refuse to sign free agents,
(4) on any other team his WR's, with the exception of Dallas Clark and M. Harrison in his prime, would be mediocre,
(5) he's never had an above-average left-tackle, and yes I'm saying Tarik Glenn was never really above-average (or if he was it wasn't by much and was for at most 1-2 years)
and
(6) he continually has had to go up against the Patriots, probably one of the best teams of all time, then...

Peyton Manning is the greatest quarterback of all time. No other quarterback with stats even close to his has had to put up with *any* of the above listed detriments.

Except the problem is, *many* of those 'detriments' simply aren't true.

1 isn't true. With Edge, we had a moden day tripletts.

Polian NEVER signs free agents of any worth. He signed Adam Terry (who was cut before camp ended). THAT was his big FA signing.

I think Terik was a Legit LT.

But... Peyton makes Tamme, Stokley, et. al. look much better than they really are.

I'm all for homerism, but really? 2-5 are legit statements.

You agreed that #1 was a sham, which is true.

But #2 is a joke too. Now, the Colts have had some HORRIBLE defenses, but to say they've never had a good defense is a complete lie. The year they won, the SB, they're defense, once they got healthy (especially Sanders, who gets hurt getting out of bed) was outstanding. 4 times this past decade they were ranked in the top 3rd of the league (not great, but good), and in 2007 they had the 3rd ranked overall defense, which is very damn good.

As for #4, Reggie Wayne (he of the multiple Pro Bowl selections) laughs at him being called a mediocre receiver. I also laugh at the fact that normally a team will use 3-4 wide receivers/TEs, and he admits that 2 of them are great. Add Reggie Wayne to that, and on every play for much of Peyton's career, he was throwing to 3 above average/arguably great targets. And according to the OP...that's a bad thing??? (Yes, you can say he made them great, but then again you can argue that about every great QB, can't you? You don't think Montana made John Taylor better?)

Again, I'm not arguing that Peyton Manning isn't absolutely fantastic (and this is against the OP, not you Wabash), I'm saying that many of those things listed above simply aren't true. And I still don't see Peyton, a guy who has won one Super Bowl vs. a Rex Grossman led team and has played really poorly many times times in big spots (sorry Colts fans, as great as he is, that is undeniable) as the greatest of all-time. One of the greatest, absolutely no doubt at all, but the greatest? Nope, that in my mind is Mr. Joe Montana (just my opinion though)...and I could see other arguments such as John Elway or even Tom Brady (Brady won 3 Super Bowls without a single Pro Bowler on offense - think about that) or someone I never saw like Johnny Unitas.

Bottom for those with lives who choose to ignore insanely long-winded posts like mine - Peyton isn't nearly as hamstrung as that list indicates , and he isn't the greatest QB of all-time IMO, but he is one of the greatest, and that's a damn fine place to be as a QB...