The Pete Bevacqua Thread

[Irishnuke]

I spake the truth. Do you deny the facts I stated?

 

[tussin]

I don't feel qualified to answer that. Joining the conference might be the best move, but money-wise, it might not. There are many things involved with that. That's for the Notre Dame administration to decide and I can't give you a good answer to that question. But I don't think any ill-placed resentment against the conference should figure into it.

This is where you are in la-la-land.

I actually agree with the primary point you made. If you read prior threads, you will find almost universal consensus that A) the committee screwed ND this year and B) we had to win one of those first two games this year (see preseason threads).

However, the ACC is a shit partner and misplayed their hand here. The conference fails to appreciate both the leverage Notre Dame has as a national player and the real value that the football partnership brings to the ACC each year. ND's partnership with the ACC continually elevated the conference's position throughout realignment periods and what has Notre Dame been offered in return? Is this type of smear campaign what you do to your most important business partner? Would any other business make a similar decision?

 

[NDPhilly]

Let’s be honest, if we were in the ACC, we would feel the exact same way as all of them. At the end of the day, the ACC isn’t in a position to allienate their biggest affiliated brand, and like idiots couldn’t help themselves.

 

[bobongo]

- The ACCs pure incompetence is what led to the situation with regards to tiebreakers, as you know as a Georgia Tech fan

- Publicly and I’m sure privately lobbying against a school that generates you money seems dumb. Example, our game versus you was moved to the Benz to generate you money, you’re welcome. They could have spent all that time and energy towards Alabama. You will also notice ND did not once publicly bash a single other school in their pursuit of the CFP in either of the last two years. To act like it is assumed that a conference would need to bash another team to get what they want is a poor assumption.

- Duke beating UVA likely triggered a back door deal to get Miami in the playoff as an ACC representative. So as ND fans we feel two things transpired, not just one. Alabama got assured a spot, and the ACC got assure a spot. Either or both at the expense of ND.

- The ACC is tied directly to ESPN. ESPN contrived this whole thing. Fuck ESPN.

Oh, I assure you the ACC has little pull with ESPN. You need to look to the B1G and the SEC for that. Yes, the ACC is incompetent, and the tiebreaker had something to do with the decision by the committee. The reason is that the ACC would have been left out entirely had Miami not been included. But it doesn't negate the fact that if Notre Dame beats Miami, we're not having this conversation.

 

[bobongo]

This is where you are in la-la-land.

I actually agree with the primary point you made. If you read prior threads, you will find almost universal consensus that A) the committee screwed ND this year and B) we had to win one of those first two games this year (see preseason threads).

However, the ACC is a shit partner and misplayed their hand here. The conference fails to appreciate both the leverage Notre Dame has as a national player and the real value that the football partnership brings to the ACC each year. ND's partnership with the ACC continually elevated the conference's position throughout realignment periods and what has Notre Dame been offered in return? Is this type of smear campaign what you do to your most important business partner? Would any other business make a similar decision?

Smear campaign? The ACC simply stood up for one of its own, which Notre Dame is not. Any conference would do the same.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Georgia Tech fan here and my first post on this board. First of all, I want to say congratulations to Notre Dame on a fine season, and to say I have great respect for your storied history in college football. But what I can't understand is why on earth your resentment should be directed toward the ACC, which understandably stood up for its own. It seems to me it should be directed toward the crafters of the playoff, whose criteria led to the inclusion of Tulane and James Madison. Those two should be replaced by the Irish and BYU, if we're talking about the 12 best teams in the country.

Also, I would like to express my dismay that the Irish declined an invitation to play in the Pop Tarts Bowl against BYU, which would have been quite fitting and would have generated a great deal of interest nationwide as a game between two deserving teams left out of the playoff. However, I am glad my Yellow Jackets are playing against BYU instead, though it will be a difficult game for us to win.

That you are not a full member of the ACC in football is what cost you a trip to the CFP, because few will disagree that N.D. would have waxed either one of the participants in the ACC title game. And, as you all know, a win over Miami would have gotten you in easily. To sum up, it's clear to me that two groups of people are responsible for Notre Dame missing the playoffs, as follows:

The committee that crafted the playoff criteria, and
The Notre Dame football team.

It is not the fault of the Atlantic Coast Conference.

The team would have been without-at a minimum-its two top QBs (Carr wouldn’t and shouldn’t risk injury in a meaningless game and Minchey is transferring), RBs (Love and Price will declare for the draft), and WRs (Fields has combine prep and Greathouse isn’t 100% healthy), and its top TE (combine prep). And that’s just offensive skill players. Hard pass on playing BYU’s full roster of 25 year olds having their last hurrah.

 

[Dale]

Oh, I assure you the ACC has little pull with ESPN. You need to look to the B1G and the SEC for that. Yes, the ACC is incompetent, and the tiebreaker had something to do with the decision by the committee. The reason is that the ACC would have been left out entirely had Miami not been included. But it doesn't negate the fact that if Notre Dame beats Miami, we're not having this conversation.

No offense but do you think anyone is stupid enough to not know going 11 - 1 would have been better than 10 - 2? That’s why you joined the board?

Thanks we get it now

 

[Dale]

Oh, I assure you the ACC has little pull with ESPN. You need to look to the B1G and the SEC for that. Yes, the ACC is incompetent, and the tiebreaker had something to do with the decision by the committee. The reason is that the ACC would have been left out entirely had Miami not been included. But it doesn't negate the fact that if Notre Dame beats Miami, we're not having this conversation.

So you just agreed that a conspiracy to guarantee the ACC a spot was at the expense of Notre Dame? Why should we be punished for a weak incompetent conference?

 

[tussin]

Smear campaign? The ACC simply stood up for one of its own, which Notre Dame is not. Any conference would do the same.

When the ACC doesn't exist in 5 years maybe you will realize it was a mistake then.

 

[bobongo]

You’re missing the point. The disgust with the ACC is their actions in the last week promoting Miami in a media blast. Conference is not supposed to promote one school over another.

Also, do you think Alabama with 3 losses should have been in the playoffs?

Are you okay with players sitting out bowl games?

Notre Dame is not a football member of the ACC. If it were, the ACC would not have promoted Miami over the Irish.

 

[bobongo]

When the ACC doesn't exist in 5 years maybe you will realize it was a mistake then.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ACC goes away in 5 years, but it doesn't negate the fact that it pretty much has to promote its own over an outsider, which Notre Dame chose to be. It had no choice. To do otherwise would have provoked the rath of Miami and the whole conference.

 

[Dale]

Notre Dame is not a football member of the ACC. If it were, the ACC would not have promoted Miami over the Irish.

I wouldn't be surprised if the ACC goes away in 5 years, but it doesn't negate the fact that it pretty much has to promote its own over an outsider, which Notre Dame chose to be. It had no choice. To do otherwise would have provoked the rath of Miami and the whole conference.

You keep calling this promote and skipped my previous response:

“Publicly and I’m sure privately lobbying against a school that generates you money seems dumb. Example, our game versus you was moved to the Benz to generate you money, you’re welcome. They could have spent all that time and energy towards Alabama. You will also notice ND did not once publicly bash a single other school in their pursuit of the CFP in either of the last two years. To act like it is assumed that a conference would need to bash another team to get what they want is a poor assumption.”

 

[bobongo]

So you just agreed that a conspiracy to guarantee the ACC a spot was at the expense of Notre Dame? Why should we be punished for a weak incompetent conference?

I didn't say it was a conspiracy. I said the committee felt pressure to include one member of the conference.

 

[ReesusCrist]

Notre Dame is not a football member of the ACC. If it were, the ACC would not have promoted Miami over the Irish.

You're right, ND is not a football member, but they are a significant driver of value when it comes to their TV rights deal, and when ND pulls out of their ACC scheduling agreement, those values will tank. I would have expected the conference to not be so shortsighted as to value a $4M CFP bid over the long term financial health of the conference and its members, but nobody has ever accused the ACC and its administration of being intelligent (see: tiebreakers).

I would suggest you take the hint and self-ban before an admin here does that for you.

 

[Dale]

I didn't say it was a conspiracy. I said the committee felt pressure to include one member of the conference.

Are you sure you graduated from Georgia Tech?

 

[jprue24]

Notre Dame is not a football member of the ACC. If it were, the ACC would not have promoted Miami over the Irish.

The ACC did not have to target ND in the way that it did to promote Miami. Instead they focused solely on ND. When one business partner does that to the other it usually creates animosity.

Stop pretending that playing the Miami/ND game for 48 straight hours was innocent promotion. You sound disingenuous as fuck and should understand our gripe before telling us how to interpret what we witnessed.

 

[bobongo]

Are you sure you graduated from Georgia Tech?

No, and I never said that. I said I'm a fan.

 

[Bane]

Georgia Tech fan here and my first post on this board. First of all, I want to say congratulations to Notre Dame on a fine season, and to say I have great respect for your storied history in college football. But what I can't understand is why on earth your resentment should be directed toward the ACC, which understandably stood up for its own. It seems to me it should be directed toward the crafters of the playoff, whose criteria led to the inclusion of Tulane and James Madison. Those two should be replaced by the Irish and BYU, if we're talking about the 12 best teams in the country.

Also, I would like to express my dismay that the Irish declined an invitation to play in the Pop Tarts Bowl against BYU, which would have been quite fitting and would have generated a great deal of interest nationwide as a game between two deserving teams left out of the playoff. However, I am glad my Yellow Jackets are playing against BYU instead, though it will be a difficult game for us to win.

That you are not a full member of the ACC in football is what cost you a trip to the CFP, because few will disagree that N.D. would have waxed either one of the participants in the ACC title game. And, as you all know, a win over Miami would have gotten you in easily. To sum up, it's clear to me that two groups of people are responsible for Notre Dame missing the playoffs, as follows:

The committee that crafted the playoff criteria, and
The Notre Dame football team.

It is not the fault of the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Found Jim Phillips' account.

 

[bobongo]

The ACC did not have to target ND in the way that it did to promote Miami. Instead they focused solely on ND. When one business partner does that to the other it usually creates animosity.

Stop pretending that playing the Miami/ND game for 48 straight hours was innocent promotion. You sound disingenuous as fuck and should understand our gripe before telling us how to interpret what we witnessed.

Probably the reason for that was the committee came down to two contenders, and Alabama was deemed ahead of both of them.

 

[thekid33]

The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them.

 

[Dale]

Probably the reason for that was the committee came down to two contenders, and Alabama was deemed ahead of both of them.

Oh my god. ND was ahead of Alabama until a complete act of made up BS to say beating Auburn was enough to jump us after weeks. This assured the SEC championship game loser and the ACC a spot. This keeps championship weekend a money maker for ESPN and directly puts money in the pockets of two broadcasts partners. That’s the point!

You’re way out of your depth dude. I don’t think you’ll get banned for being dumb like the trolls. But you really aren’t anywhere close to getting it.

 

[jprue24]

Probably the reason for that was the committee came down to two contenders, and Alabama was deemed ahead of both of them.

Can you read at a high school level?

The best way to deal with trolls is to ignore them.

Don't tell me how to live my life

 

[Bane]

No offense but do you think anyone is stupid enough to not know going 11 - 1 would have been better than 10 - 2? That’s why you joined the board?

Thanks we get it now

Maybe Granger can give this guy Freeman's number so he can alert Marcus to such an insight and we can prepare for 2026 accordingly.

 

[bobongo]

Oh my god. ND was ahead of Alabama until a complete act of made up BS to say beating Auburn was enough to jump us after weeks. This assured the SEC championship game loser and the ACC a spot. This keeps championship weekend a money maker for ESPN and directly puts money in the pockets of two broadcasts partners. That’s the point!

You’re way out of your depth dude. I don’t think you’ll get banned for being dumb like the trolls. But you really aren’t anywhere close to getting it.

You sound like a troll yourself. What I meant was that Alabama, deserving or not, was deemed ahead of both N.D. and Miami, so the decision came down to the latter two schools in the committee's view.

 

[GoIrish41]

Probably the reason for that was the committee came down to two contenders, and Alabama was deemed ahead of both of them.

After barely squeezing by a terrible Auburn team and getting maimed by Georgia? GTFOOH. Two weeks ago the committee said ND and Bama were virtually tied and Bama limped over the finish line with shit running down their leg. And somehow none of that mattered. If you aren’t going to even attempt to see our point of view, go on a different board and troll there. I hope GT gets prison raped by BYU.

 

[Dale]

You sound like a troll yourself. What I meant was that Alabama, deserving or not, was deemed ahead of both N.D. and Miami, so the decision came down to the latter two schools in the committee's view.

Thanks for explaining how being ranked 9, 10 and 11 worked. Do you think the committee thought those two were better than BYU too? I’ve been trying to figure that one out.

 

[ACamp1900]

Probably the reason for that was the committee came down to two contenders, and Alabama was deemed ahead of both of them.

Georgia Tech fan here and my first post on this board. First of all, I want to say congratulations to Notre Dame on a fine season, and to say I have great respect for your storied history in college football. But what I can't understand is why on earth your resentment should be directed toward the ACC, which understandably stood up for its own. It seems to me it should be directed toward the crafters of the playoff, whose criteria led to the inclusion of Tulane and James Madison. Those two should be replaced by the Irish and BYU, if we're talking about the 12 best teams in the country.

Also, I would like to express my dismay that the Irish declined an invitation to play in the Pop Tarts Bowl against BYU, which would have been quite fitting and would have generated a great deal of interest nationwide as a game between two deserving teams left out of the playoff. However, I am glad my Yellow Jackets are playing against BYU instead, though it will be a difficult game for us to win.

That you are not a full member of the ACC in football is what cost you a trip to the CFP, because few will disagree that N.D. would have waxed either one of the participants in the ACC title game. And, as you all know, a win over Miami would have gotten you in easily. To sum up, it's clear to me that two groups of people are responsible for Notre Dame missing the playoffs, as follows:

The committee that crafted the playoff criteria, and
The Notre Dame football team.

It is not the fault of the Atlantic Coast Conference.

The sec and their relationship with the committee and espn is a much bigger problem, for everyone,… however the ACC buried Notre dame, endlessly,… with friends like that,… get it? If you do not, then you and yours deserve to lose all the media dollars you will in fact lose with ND tells you all where to shove it.

 

[bobongo]

Maybe Granger can give this guy Freeman's number so he can alert Marcus to such an insight and we can prepare for 2026 accordingly.

I'm sure all of you are aware that had you beaten Miami you'd be in the playoff. What strikes me is you don't act like it. Own up to it and quit trying to make a scapegoat of the ACC.

 

[bobongo]

Thanks for explaining how being ranked 9, 10 and 11 worked. Do you think the committee thought those two were better than BYU too?

You are very welcome!

 

[NDVirginia19]

You sound like a troll yourself. What I meant was that Alabama, deserving or not, was deemed ahead of both N.D. and Miami, so the decision came down to the latter two schools in the committee's view.

Yes, because they very clearly colluded to protect the ACC and give the SEC a fifth spot when rubber met the road. There is no other logical reason to swap Alabama Dan ND after the final week of the regular season and not drop Alabama after they got butt fucked by Georgia