The Brian Kelly Thread

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SportsCenter just reported that on a local radio station yesterday Kelly said he was staying.

They played a clip and Kelly said something that "my family loves it here, I want to stay and build this thing up. Why would I want to leave?"

There have been reports of ND not being interested in Kelly. However, he was on everyone's short list. Who knows what this means, but it does not sound positive for ND.
 

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the guy was a lb in college right? i'm sure he's more balanced than you think. cincy's defense isn't that bad either.

Charlie could've played DT in college right? Wouldn't that make him a balanced coach?

Cincy's defense isn't bad, its ridiculously average considering the fact they are playing some of the worst offensive teams in the country on their schedule. Even a Notre Dame can shut down Nevada, dont jump too far ahead of yourself looking at the 47th ranked defense.
 

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have you not seen what he's done with his starting qb out? they didn't miss a beat & still went undefeated (so far). he had a heisman hopefulist in his starting qb and he ended up getting hurt, but yet with a freshman/sophomore (can't remember which), they still succeed.
They played exactly Louisville, Syracuse, and Connecticut.
Were you expecting them to lose any of those games?

to me that speaks volumes about the coaches preparation for his players. i know it's only one position, but imagine if that happened at notre dame...we would've been screwed.
Im not going to sit around and imagine if Jimmy got hurt, why would I do that?
It didnt happen. The opportunity never came up so lets stop bashing our own players' preperation when some didn't even get the opportunity to show what they could do if in fact your fairytale situation occured.
 

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well if kelly beats pitt this week we will know he is for real because cincy is far less talented than nd

If Kelly beats Pitt, he will not talk about the Notre Dame job publicly and in less than 4 days there will be a press conference announcing him as the new coach here at Notre Dame.

But beating Pitt doesn't prove that he is the real deal. Where are his quality wins against major programs? There are none.

Where was Cincy's "good" defense last season at the Orange Bowl when Va Tech rushed for 258 yards? Lets not forget Cincy was the favorite in that game.
 

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They played exactly Louisville, Syracuse, and Connecticut.
Were you expecting them to lose any of those games?


Im not going to sit around and imagine if Jimmy got hurt, why would I do that?
It didnt happen. The opportunity never came up so lets stop bashing our own players' preperation when some didn't even get the opportunity to show what they could do if in fact your fairytale situation occured.

okay, i have my opinion and you have yours....we can agree to disagree all you want.....but honestly, is there any reason to be a prick about this coaching/hire situation?

is there anything i said in my posts that could've been misconstrued for being aggressive toward you? seriously, is there? cuz if so, then my bad.

other than that, i'm done with this conversation.
 

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This is bad...real bad...if it ain't Kelly or Johnson from G-Tech this has been a HUGE mistake.
 

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Its been a huge mistake since 1996. I am just not sure where this disdain for Kelly is coming from.

Personally I think Johnson shouldn't even be mentioned.. You are talking a long few years to get anyone in here at all to be able to run that offense.

As for player development, its nice to see your players in the NFL, but frankly if you can go 12-0 with less talent than major schools who send kids to the pros, I think its worth exploring.
You keep saying its the BigEast, they don't play anyone... ND has played some of those teams, and lost to them all.

Peoples opinions vary on coaches. But this flat out constant bashing of Kelly is unwarranted. Sadly, for you, Kelly might be our best prospect.
 

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okay, i have my opinion and you have yours....we can agree to disagree all you want.....but honestly, is there any reason to be a prick about this coaching/hire situation?

is there anything i said in my posts that could've been misconstrued for being aggressive toward you? seriously, is there? cuz if so, then my bad.

other than that, i'm done with this conversation.

Do you want to know why I'm being a "prick" about this coaching hire?

Because the same people I'm arguing with about some of the hires they are campaigning for can't tell me what exactly makes them such a better candidate than Charlie Weis that paying off the $18 Million just to get rid of him is worth it. I see Brian Kelly has Cincy at 10-0 after running through a weak Big East with 3/4 of the conference ranked 50 or below in offense. What big games has Brian Kelly won? What makes you believe that the work hes done at Cincy qualifies him for the Notre Dame job? Why are people taking stock into what Kelly has done in 3 year intervals at 2 different FBS schools with other coaches players?

I brought up Larry Coker previously in regards to what he did with Butch Davis' players, including many who went to the NFL in his first 3 years. Then the fact it was revealed that Coker was not as good of a recruiter or developer of talent in the following 3 years, does that now discount his first 3 years? Kelly is in the same situation, except Cincy isn't winning a NC this year.



Theres literally some other guy who doesn't even realize that there is a difference between FBS, FCS, and Division 2. The Defensive Coordinator at Florida has a better oportunity to become a HC on the FBS level than the Head Coach at Clark Atlanta, no matter how many Division 2 Championships he has won. That same guy who even argued the point of having head coaching experience at a lower level is more important than assistant experience at the top level is crazy.

You dont leave a program like Notre Dame as a position coach to become a HC in Division 2, not FCS(Div 1-AA), Division 2.
 

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Its been a huge mistake since 1996. I am just not sure where this disdain for Kelly is coming from.
What should I be praising him for?

Personally I think Johnson shouldn't even be mentioned.. You are talking a long few years to get anyone in here at all to be able to run that offense.
Exactly. Gailey left the cupboard full for Johnson in terms of skill position players.

As for player development, its nice to see your players in the NFL, but frankly if you can go 12-0 with less talent than major schools who send kids to the pros, I think its worth exploring.
But they've sent 8 players to the pros in the last 2 years and will be sending at least 2 to the pros as 1st day picks in 2010. What makes you believe he doesn't have talent that major schools have? In the last 2 years Miami has only had 4 players drafted, Notre Dame has only had 5 guys drafted, and Florida has only had 5 players drafted.

How can you define whether or not there isn't much talent there solely based on nothing more than the HS star system? Who recruited all 10 of those guys drafted? Mark Dantonio.

If Ty never brought Brady Quinn in, how does Charlie get his hands on him?

You keep saying its the BigEast, they don't play anyone... ND has played some of those teams, and lost to them all.
We've played only UConn and Pitt this season and lost close games with uncertainty regarding our coaching staff.

The Big East plays nobody but themselves and there is always a different team winning the conference almost every year. Every year there is a flavor of the month candidate who emerges as HC in that conference, and then the following year that talk cools down if not all but silenced. Either they leave for a better opportunity and fail, or they stick around and watch their stock drop.
 

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Do you want to know why I'm being a "prick" about this coaching hire?

Because the same people I'm arguing with about some of the hires they are campaigning for can't tell me what exactly makes them such a better candidate than Charlie Weis that paying off the $18 Million just to get rid of him is worth it. I see Brian Kelly has Cincy at 10-0 after running through a weak Big East with 3/4 of the conference ranked 50 or below in offense. What big games has Brian Kelly won? What makes you believe that the work hes done at Cincy qualifies him for the Notre Dame job? Why are people taking stock into what Kelly has done in 3 year intervals at 2 different FBS schools with other coaches players?

I brought up Larry Coker previously in regards to what he did with Butch Davis' players, including many who went to the NFL in his first 3 years. Then the fact it was revealed that Coker was not as good of a recruiter or developer of talent in the following 3 years, does that now discount his first 3 years? Kelly is in the same situation, except Cincy isn't winning a NC this year.



Theres literally some other guy who doesn't even realize that there is a difference between FBS, FCS, and Division 2. The Defensive Coordinator at Florida has a better oportunity to become a HC on the FBS level than the Head Coach at Clark Atlanta, no matter how many Division 2 Championships he has won. That same guy who even argued the point of having head coaching experience at a lower level is more important than assistant experience at the top level is crazy.

You dont leave a program like Notre Dame as a position coach to become a HC in Division 2, not FCS(Div 1-AA), Division 2.

Dude, seriously, screw you. You are not the be-all and end-all of college football either. If you were, YOU would be the next head coach at Notre Dame. I'm well aware of the difference between FBS, FCS, and D2. I just disagree with you on the varying levels of importance of coaching experiences at each. Again, I never said Notre Dame should hire a D2 head coach with no D1 experience over a prominent D1 coordinator. You keep saying I said that. I never have. All I said was the experience at D2 counts to me, and when combined with successful experience as a D1 head coach at 2 different places, it vastly outweighs D1 experience as an assistant coach alone, with no head coaching experience. You don't have to agree. I don't really care. But your friggin dick attitude toward everyone who doesn't agree with every word you say makes you sound more arrogant that Weis in his first year. We're all just trying to have a fun discussion here about who should be the next head coach. Obviously we're going to have differing opinions, the fact that it hasn't turned into a complete circle-jerk to one candidate is what makes it interesting. But that doesn't mean we have to jump down each other's friggin throats. For Christ's sakes, we're all Irish fans, aren't we? We all have 2 things in common: #1. We all want the program to succeed. and #2. There is absolutely nothing any of us can say on this message board that can advance or hinder #1. They're going to hire the next coach completely regardless of who we all think that guy should be. So grow up & calm the fuck down.
 

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Dude, seriously, screw you. You are not the be-all and end-all of college football either. If you were, YOU would be the next head coach at Notre Dame. I'm well aware of the difference between FBS, FCS, and D2. I just disagree with you on the varying levels of importance of coaching experiences at each. Again, I never said Notre Dame should hire a D2 head coach with no D1 experience over a prominent D1 coordinator. You keep saying I said that. I never have. All I said was the experience at D2 counts to me, and when combined with successful experience as a D1 head coach at 2 different places, it vastly outweighs D1 experience as an assistant coach alone, with no head coaching experience. You don't have to agree. I don't really care. But your friggin dick attitude toward everyone who doesn't agree with every word you say makes you sound more arrogant that Weis in his first year. We're all just trying to have a fun discussion here about who should be the next head coach. Obviously we're going to have differing opinions, the fact that it hasn't turned into a complete circle-jerk to one candidate is what makes it interesting. But that doesn't mean we have to jump down each other's friggin throats. For Christ's sakes, we're all Irish fans, aren't we? We all have 2 things in common: #1. We all want the program to succeed. and #2. There is absolutely nothing any of us can say on this message board that can advance or hinder #1. They're going to hire the next coach completely regardless of who we all think that guy should be. So grow up & calm the fuck down.

Im calm now.

I just had to vent on Brian Kelly & your opinion.
 

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people should probably accept that just about any college head coach that has had experience and success at any D I level, or even perhaps D II, will be a better coach than Charlie Weis. he proved himself to be an awful head coach. it is the only way you can lose so often to teams that you have more talent than.

CHARLIE WEIS WAS A CRAPPY HEAD FOOTBALL COACH, and while ND should be careful in their hire, im certain that every name ive seen thrown out there who has had some college head coaching success will do a better job than Weis. that is how bad weis was.

so many dont seem to grasp how poorly his teams performed under him. even when Bob Davie was coach, you felt like the team had a chance to beat a ranked team once in a while (and in fact did if im not mistaken).

so, all this "if we dont hit a home run, we might as well have kept charlie" talk is bs. ND football has got to move forward, and any competent head coach will move them in that direction in comparison to the stagnant nature of the program under weis.
 

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Do you want to know why I'm being a "prick" about this coaching hire?

Because the same people I'm arguing with about some of the hires they are campaigning for can't tell me what exactly makes them such a better candidate than Charlie Weis that paying off the $18 Million just to get rid of him is worth it. I see Brian Kelly has Cincy at 10-0 after running through a weak Big East with 3/4 of the conference ranked 50 or below in offense. What big games has Brian Kelly won? What makes you believe that the work hes done at Cincy qualifies him for the Notre Dame job? Why are people taking stock into what Kelly has done in 3 year intervals at 2 different FBS schools with other coaches players?

I brought up Larry Coker previously in regards to what he did with Butch Davis' players, including many who went to the NFL in his first 3 years. Then the fact it was revealed that Coker was not as good of a recruiter or developer of talent in the following 3 years, does that now discount his first 3 years? Kelly is in the same situation, except Cincy isn't winning a NC this year.



Theres literally some other guy who doesn't even realize that there is a difference between FBS, FCS, and Division 2. The Defensive Coordinator at Florida has a better oportunity to become a HC on the FBS level than the Head Coach at Clark Atlanta, no matter how many Division 2 Championships he has won. That same guy who even argued the point of having head coaching experience at a lower level is more important than assistant experience at the top level is crazy.

You dont leave a program like Notre Dame as a position coach to become a HC in Division 2, not FCS(Div 1-AA), Division 2.



I think where we disagree is that we believe we have given you reason enough to realize that he is a better choice than CW. Now you can argue that with the money he may not but outside of the money I think it's an easy argument to say that Kelly is a better choice than CW. However, it's not a slam dunk obviously I think we can all agree on that.
 

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I think this is more of the same BS that is making me crazy. A bunch of unamed sources linking Catholic/ Irish Catholic coaches to the ND job. Just more circle jerking for me to ponder as I do less work.


If I had a dime for every time I have refreshed a ND Website this week I would be RICH......
 

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My gut tells me you're an oklahoma or usc troll. If you're legit I'm mailing you a case of beer of your choice
 

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Meyer and Stoops arent out IMO. Nobodys out. Unless JS said they are not an option, i dont believe crap that anyone else says.

Kelly seems most likely, but IMO, if we are gonna hire that guy, we should have kept charlie one more year. Name 1 legit non little east team kelly has beat. Anyone? USC.... OK...... FL...... OSU....

Harbaugh is still out there and a possability. Meyer is still an option, as well as Stoops. All are better options than Kelly.
 
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Brian Kelly: A New Era

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Cincy??? A top 5 BCS team? Championship Contender? Who would ever thought this would happen? Brian Kelly made it happen. This guy is an offensive genius, sort of like Weis in offensive schemes. This is a guy who can continue to put points up on the scoreboard each game for the irish. Some people critisize his defense of tactics, but It better be damn well better than our defense this year. It should be, Im not worrying about that. I do believe Kelly is a motivator, hes not afraid of getting into players facemasks. Which will be good for our team. Its time for a new start. Its time for BCS birth again and I know Kelly is very hardworking and will do anything possible to make the Fighting Irish Successful if Swarbrick decides to hire him. We can only hope.
 

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dude there is already a brian kelly thread. sorry but put this in there please.
 

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My gut tells me you're an oklahoma or usc troll. If you're legit I'm mailing you a case of beer of your choice

His name is InZorichwetrust..... what makes you think he is a USC or OK troll? Would a USC or OK fan even remember zorich. Hes probably legit.
 

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Cincy beat Oregon State in Corvalis this year and I believe they were ranked, this is the same OSU team that is playing for the PAC 10 Title this weekend.......

ND could do a heck of a lot worse than BK, he may not elicit cartwheels......but he sure shouldn't make be groan and complain, the guy is a winner......
 

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seriously..... the title made it sound like the guy was hired, which is far from it right now. already a thread with tons of this crap. He has a spread offense, charlie had a pro-style offense, two different offenses.

this is the type of crap that bugs me with all the newbies right now.
 
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