Youngstown State was a FCS(Div 1-AA) school, Tressel was an offensive assistant at OSU.
An assistant job at a BCS school is equal to a HC job in Div 1-AA not Division 2.
HC's at FCS chools are commonly brought in to be Offensive or Defensive Coordinators at FBS schools.
We're gonna have to agree to disagree here. I think you're really being nitpicky. Being a head coach at a D2 school is bigger than being a position coach at a BCS program, and a little bigger than being a coordinator to me.
He won with 2 QB's. Throwing Collaros in there too prematurely dont ya think.
Well, maybe. Like I said, it is a small sample size. But still, he did play well, and it counts for something. Not nearly as much as the other 2 I'll grant, but something.
That doesn't even make any fcking sense.
Those guys had their success at Big East programs, just like Brian Kelly, and then failed after several years although they each won a Big East Championship during their tenure.
You were talking as if it was some sort of amazing feat for Brian Kelly to win a Big East Championship at Cincy, and thus deserving of consideration for the Notre Dame job. Then when I mentioned guys who had their run just like Kelly is having at Cincy, now you're backpeddling.
If winning the Big East is so important, lets go talk with Larry Coker, even he has a National Championship. You're telling me how great Brian Kelly is for what hes done with another coaches players, but Larry Coker won a NC and went to 3 BCS Bowl Games with Butch Davis' players. Thus Larry Coker is more successful and has developed more talent than Brian Kelly. So where is the thread on hiring Larry Coker?
No, I didn't backpedal at all. The difference is all those coaches have had shots that they weren't able to deliver on long-term. There's a word for coaches like that, they're called re-treads. Brian Kelly would NOT be a re-tread. Repeatedly comparing him to nothing but re-treads who have all been fired from previous jobs that they didn't deliver on is what "doesn't make any fcking sense" to me.
OK.
I'd rather have a young BCS assistant with potential than to hire a flavor of the month candidate as a knee jerk reaction due to pressure being put on us by ESPN to hire, specifically, Brian Kelly.
What I don't understand is how a BCS assistant, no matter his pedigree, automatically is labeled as having "potential" while a guy who's a winning HC is only the "flavor of the month."
True, but each have been assistants at a BCS school. You're just adding on and trying to create a point that I wasnt even arguing.
Stick to what I said. All of the top coaches in college football have been assistants at a BCS school.
No, I'm not adding anything, I'm providing my rebuttal. You said "All of the top coaches in college football have been assistants at a BCS school." My response: All those same coaches have also been head coaches before their current jobs. Ergo, I'm attributing their current success more to their shared previous head coaching experience, not to their shared previous BCS assistantships. Brian Kelly has a lot of successful head coaching experience. Ergo, Brian Kelly has more potential in my eyes than an assistant with none.
So you're telling me that the HC of Clark Atlanta University(a D2 school) is better adapted to become a HC at a BCS school than the DC of the Florida Gators?
You're smoking crack.
By that same logic we should take a strong look at Terry Bowden over a candidate like Charlie Strong.
Now who's not sticking to what who said? Please tell me the name of the D2 head coach with no D1 experience I've said I want Notre Dame to hire over an assistant like Charlie Strong? Please tell me the name of the D1 head coach who's already turned out to be a bust somewhere else and been fired from that place that I want Notre Dame to hire over Charlie Strong?
Brian Kelly has D1 experience at 2 schools
to go along with all of his D2 experience. Brian Kelly has
never turned out to be bust yet or been fired from a previous job. I'm not saying he won't, but you're acting like he already has. Again, I would
love a head coach who's already won big at another premier location like Bob Stoops. But if its between a guy who's got a ton of head coaching experience who's never been fired and is not a re-tread, much of it at the D1 level and about all of it successful, or a coordinator with no experience (no matter how promising), I'll take Ara Parseghian at his word when he said Notre Dame can NEVER be the first head coaching job of any coach, no matter how promising. Its just too much to ask. Bob Davie was once a promising BCS assistant too 'ya know. Look how that turned out.
