GoshenGipper
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No, it wasn't just you. I thought it was pretty noticible. I even mentioned it in my post game thoughts.
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No, it wasn't just you. I thought it was pretty noticible. I even mentioned it in my post game thoughts.
IrishRamMan10
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ND was definately the majority there... No one cept for alum and students was wearing red
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The refs sucked. Plain and simple. Grimes got jobbed. That was a TD all the way. Everybody could see that his hand was under the ball and he didn't bobble it one time. Everybody except for the replay officials that is. Horrible.
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NDGirlzRock
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Yeah no kidding.....I think I went Exorcist on that play!!! Now I have to clean the green puke off of my wall!!!!
SoCalDomer
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hate it when that happens.
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MY pet peeve were the multiple "offsetting" personal foul calls. Basically, they accomplish NOTHING. EARLY in a game, one makes sense, as the refs' way of saying, "settle down, boys." If the chippiness continues, the refs HAVE to call the next one ON ONE SIDE. Otherwise, both sides pretty quickly figure out that the refs are impotent, and the chipping goes on, and on.
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I only saw the game on TV, so I guess i have no real idea what happened, but the only thing that makes real sense to me is that Laws got the penalty for sitting on some O-Lineman or something. He must have "blocked" somebody or shoved somebody or something during the return. He might have even blocked the QB, perhaps a little roughly, and so they threw the flag. Either way, I really, really, really wish he had kept his hands to himself at that point. It was one of a few times we could have really broke that game open... like the first drive... ugh, we should have won by MUCH more.
Still, a win is a win is a win. And the refs were stupid. No questions there.
Still, a win is a win is a win. And the refs were stupid. No questions there.
GoshenGipper
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That's very true. The Grimes TD catch, the penalty on Laws, all the turnovers, some of which were in the redzone, and the missed FG.
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the overturn of grimes' catch was an absolute joke...my brother and i were watching and started laughing when they decided to review it...grimes did such a great job of showing how he didn't trap it in any way (with his bottom hand cupping the ball dumbasses), that the replaying was funny...i couldn't help but think back to a review earlier in the game, when the replay booth was shown and this 112-year old man holding his hand up to shield the sun in his eyes and thinking "there is no way this guy knows what he's doing"...that really smelled of something to me...
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to be honest, i didn't mind the call on laws...in fact, i wish we could have gotten a few more personal fouls this year...at least you know those guys are playing...(but hell, i loved the hit on the qb - the sorry sh&# was going down and the helmets met, big friggin deal)
YESSSS ! And we now have a longer winning streak going than Michigan, Ohio State, LSU, Oregon, Kansas, and several others! Too bad we're not bowl eligible or we could get another BCS bid !
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I love seeing how JC does not back down...he jaws right back at the opposing team. He has fire and I love it.
<del>The one</del> One of the the penalties that I really didn't understand was the PF on JC. #20 headbutted him after the play and he pointed at #20 to the refs looking for a flag, then they penalized both of them. At first when they showed the replay on TV I thought they flagged him for flipping the bird to the guy, but I went back on Tivo and looked frame by frame and he did nothing but get headbutted and then point at the guy to the refs.
Way to get the game "under control" with a bunch of meaningless offsetting penalties, refs.
Between that call and all of the calls, non-calls, and reviews, it's my opinion that every official that stepped foot on that field or plopped their ass down in that replay booth today should be shit-canned and banned from ever officiating a CFB game ever again. They didn't just make a bad call or two; they stunk it up the entire fricking game from start to finish.
Way to get the game "under control" with a bunch of meaningless offsetting penalties, refs.
Between that call and all of the calls, non-calls, and reviews, it's my opinion that every official that stepped foot on that field or plopped their ass down in that replay booth today should be shit-canned and banned from ever officiating a CFB game ever again. They didn't just make a bad call or two; they stunk it up the entire fricking game from start to finish.
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The Grimes TD was a terrible call, but the PF on Laws was probably an OK call. The thing about that play is that there was such a long review to see if there was a forward latteral. WTF is the difference if there is a PF? The refs were horrible.
That said, they were horrible all around. They made some bad calls against Stanford too.
That said, they were horrible all around. They made some bad calls against Stanford too.
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I agree... the Grimes catch was ridiculous. Gotta love that Pac-10 review team. They did eventually show the PF on Laws. One of Stanford O-Lineman was on the ground and he shoved his helmet into the ground... but I'm not sure it warrants a PF. The two off-setting PF's screwed ND also. Grimes got crushed and JC got head-butted, but I didn't see them respond in a way that warrants a PF.
That shot on the Stanford QB was sick. He should have gotten a PF on that, but the boy should slide sooner. I can't believe Stanford brought him back in.
That shot on the Stanford QB was sick. He should have gotten a PF on that, but the boy should slide sooner. I can't believe Stanford brought him back in.
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I have not seen any complaints with the sideline warning. I am not sure how the rules work but I think that should have been a penalty not a warning. You warn the coaches so they dont run out onto the field like a schmuck and get into a refs face. When they do that they have already gone to far. They could have called that rightr and made a point of showing they were not going to let things get out of hand. Poor, poor job for the black and whites
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Someone mentioned (i think it was the announcers) about how much football coaches get away with that would result in a technical foul for basketball coaches (i.e. bad language, yelling, interfering with the progress of the game). I thought that was an interesting and perhaps valid point.
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HORRIBLE calls all game as everyone has said. What i don't get is the guy in the replay booth with his hand up fighting some kind of glare everytime they showed a shot of him. GET SOME DAMN TINT ON THOSE WINDOWS.
Based on the reversal of the Grimes TD, I would guess that guy needs a helluva lot more than some tint on the windows. Maybe he should buy some new glasses so he can find his way down the yellow-brick road to find the Wizard and get himself a brain.
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lol..
Ok chiming in on the AWFUL ref job - and let me say there must be an oversight group in the NCAA to evaluate games like this because that was an awful game for that entire crew.
1 - Not preventing a fight
There should have been an ejection in that game, period. I'm not sure why both teams really seemed to want to mix it up but objectively (and hey if it were up to me I would allow fights, ala hockey) that was getting out of hand. Consistently making offsetting calls only encouraged more fighting. Just dumb.
2 - The WORST booth review....ever
First of all it was pretty clear that Grimes made the catch. That was the call on the field. Secondly they only have the same film to look at in the booth as anyone does sitting on their couch, so having watched the whole thing there was no film that indicated anything but a catch, MUCH LESS indisputable evidence that he trapped the ball. Just total bullshit, and if it wasn't piss poor officiating both ways I would think the booth refs were paid off.
3 - Trever Laws, and more mystery PFs
To call it a foul in the first place is a stretch, much less a personal. He was pushing off the guy to get up and back into the play - he almost fell over and used his hand to steady himself as he was getting up. That was another beautiful and exciting play ruined by bad officiating.
4 - Jacked up
There should have been a personal foul called when the Stanford QB got knocked out, period. I love to see violence, and I was glad they made the hit, but it's still a penalty. Not calling it only encouraged the Cardinal players to go after JC.
In reference to some other stuff:
-The call against Clausen was legit - he flipped the guy off after the guy headbutted him. That guy was trying to pick a fight and I liked that JC doesn't take shit off of some idiot like that, so oh well.
- The warning to Harbaugh seemed appropriate. He didn't do much more than most coaches do in that situation (and yes they get away with murder), and it was just a way of getting everyone to cool off.
1 - Not preventing a fight
There should have been an ejection in that game, period. I'm not sure why both teams really seemed to want to mix it up but objectively (and hey if it were up to me I would allow fights, ala hockey) that was getting out of hand. Consistently making offsetting calls only encouraged more fighting. Just dumb.
2 - The WORST booth review....ever
First of all it was pretty clear that Grimes made the catch. That was the call on the field. Secondly they only have the same film to look at in the booth as anyone does sitting on their couch, so having watched the whole thing there was no film that indicated anything but a catch, MUCH LESS indisputable evidence that he trapped the ball. Just total bullshit, and if it wasn't piss poor officiating both ways I would think the booth refs were paid off.
3 - Trever Laws, and more mystery PFs
To call it a foul in the first place is a stretch, much less a personal. He was pushing off the guy to get up and back into the play - he almost fell over and used his hand to steady himself as he was getting up. That was another beautiful and exciting play ruined by bad officiating.
4 - Jacked up
There should have been a personal foul called when the Stanford QB got knocked out, period. I love to see violence, and I was glad they made the hit, but it's still a penalty. Not calling it only encouraged the Cardinal players to go after JC.
In reference to some other stuff:
-The call against Clausen was legit - he flipped the guy off after the guy headbutted him. That guy was trying to pick a fight and I liked that JC doesn't take shit off of some idiot like that, so oh well.
- The warning to Harbaugh seemed appropriate. He didn't do much more than most coaches do in that situation (and yes they get away with murder), and it was just a way of getting everyone to cool off.
The way that I saw the game was that ND wasn't getting homered as much as it was a case of a ref crew (and replay booth) being totally inadequate for this level of football. Terrible calls were made both ways and the zebras did a woeful job of trying to maintain control. I thought the Grimes TD reversal was unbelievable - what sort of incontrovertible evidence could they possibly point to? Lowering that burden of proof, did they have even a single shot that showed that it probably happened? If the game commentators were correct in that the booth sees only the replays from the ESPN feed, they should be subject to a reprimand at the least. I was OK with the PF on Laws. I thought it was iffy and could have gone either way, so it going against ND was disappointing, but not terrible. The non-call on the tackle against Pritchard was another head-scratcher. How can that not have been a personal? There are many more examples from the game both for and against ND, but I'm already starting to bore myself, so I'll simply reiterate that I thought that this was a horribly officiated game for both sides.
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"-The call against Clausen was legit - he flipped the guy off after the guy headbutted him. That guy was trying to pick a fight and I liked that JC doesn't take shit off of some idiot like that, so oh well."
Pyachi, Jimmy didn't flip him off. He was pointing to #20 so the ref would throw a flag on him, like all players do when they are assaulted.
Pyachi, Jimmy didn't flip him off. He was pointing to #20 so the ref would throw a flag on him, like all players do when they are assaulted.
NO he didn't. I thought the same watching it real time, but I have it DVR'd and have watched that sequence frame by frame.....he just pointed to the guy to alert the ref. Every official (on and off the field) involved in that game needs to be shit-canned and banned from ever again officiating any sport known to mankind.
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Ok I thought when I watched it (I don't have DVR, so I'm SOL on seeing stuff like that again) that he flipped him off, but multiple people have said now that it was an index finger. That just adds to how awful the calling was. Where do they find these guys?
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If he was anywhere near the sideline I could agree with you... he was way out in the field in an officials face going nuts. I think this is much different then going nuts on an official while on the sideline.
I am not a rule guru so you may be right if the rules mandate this reaction but it was not comparable to other instances that I have seen where sideline warning have been issued.
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Pac-10 Officiating at it's finest.
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To me, the Laws "shove to helmet" was a frustration retaliation. Hell, the way he was being held and "horse collared" all game and not get any holding calls against the bastards commiting the fouls, I don't blame him giving a little cheap shot back! That officiating SUCKED!!!
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Personally, I HATE cheap shots, and I hope no Notre Dame player ever takes one. I know that won't come true, and I know most people only get mad if the other team does it, but I despise them for either team on principle. You get the chance to physically punish a guy during the run of play, don't take cheap shots. To me, as a former player, it's not only classless, but stupid. I mean, in this case we lost 7 points, and quite possibly the biggest momentum building play we've had all year. And for what? Pushing a guys helmet in the turf. I'm a huge TLaws fan, but stuff like that makes me just shake my head.