Student-Athlete Majors

[CanadalovesND]

Over on the Scout.com board, a fellow IrishEyes member brought this to my attention:

Scout.com: scUM's "academics"

I just saw some eye opening information on another site. I have not verified it by checking their roster myself, but if true, this is sad.

There are 31 different majors between all the MSU football players. There are 12 different majors represented on UM's roster.

Further, 90% of UM's two deeps (86% of the entire roster) are represented by 4 majors - African American studies, Kinesiology (which if you remember, is a feeder program designed to keep athletes at UM eligible and is a very questionable degree), General studies, and undeclared.

Just another reason to hate scUM.

We always hear about academics so much during the year, especially during the recruiting process, and how we compare more favourably against other schools, so this really interested me. Anyways, to make a long story short, I researched our roster of scholarship upperclassmen.

By comparison, we breakdown as such (data from 45 players):


Mendoza College of Business

Management Consulting - 23.3%
(Fox, Grace, Hanratty, Hegarty, Heggie, Hounshell, Lombard, N.Martin, Rees, Welch)

Marketing - 11.6%
(Koyack, Massa, Danny Smith, Stockton, Watt)

Management Entrepreneurship - 7%
(Z.Martin, Niklas, Schmidt)

Finance - 2.3%
(Collinsworth)

College of Arts & Letters

Film Television and Theatre - 18.6%
(George Atkinson III, Josh Atkinson, Farley, Jackson, T.J. Jones, Moore, Big Lou and Lo Wood)

Undeclared - 9.3%
(Daniels, Hardy, Rabasa, and Schembo)

Design - 7%
(Brindza, Calabrese, Councell)

Anthropology - 7%
(Schwenke, Tuitt, Utupo)

Sociology - 4.7%
(Jalen Brown and Tausch)

History - 2.3%
(Springmann)

Political Science - 2.3%
(Spond)

Psychology - 2.3%
(McDaniel)

Philosophy - 2.3%
(Ishaq Williams)

College of Science

Pre-Professional Studies - 2.3%
(Obviously Hendrix)

First Year of Studies

First Year Curriculum- 2.3% (Amir Carlisle)

 

[chubler]

just reorganized the list by college so it's a little easier to see. Also added a total percentage for each college. By the way, the percentages total to 102.3%, but Im sure a double major or something explains that.

Mendoza College of Business - 44.2%

Management Consulting - 23.3%

Marketing - 11.6%

Management Entrepreneurship - 7%

Finance - 2.3%

College of Arts & Letters - 53.5%

Film Television and Theatre - 18.6%

Undeclared - 9.3%

Design - 7%

Anthropology - 7%

Sociology - 4.7%

History - 2.3%

Political Science - 2.3%

Philosophy - 2.3%

College of Science - 2.3%

Pre-Professional Studies - 2.3%

First Year of Studies - 2.3%

First Year Curriculum- 2.3% (Amir Carlisle)

 

[dublinirish]

Film Television and Theatre degree, somebody tell me about this, Seems like alot of football players are/were in it (Lou, KVR, MG Jr.) etc.

 

[CanadalovesND]

just reorganized the list by college so it's a little easier to see

I like your way better lol. Percentages are rounded to the nearest tenth of a decimal, so that's why it is a bit over 100%

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Over on the Scout.com board, a fellow IrishEyes member brought this to my attention:

Scout.com: scUM's "academics"


We always hear about academics so much during the year, especially during the recruiting process, and how we compare more favourably against other schools, so this really interested me. Anyways, to make a long story short, I researched our roster of scholarship upperclassmen.

By comparison, we breakdown as such (data from 45 players):

Mendoza College of Business, Management Consulting - 23.3% Solid

College of Arts & Letters, Film Television and Theatre - 18.6% Questionable. TV and radio only have so many seats.

Mendoza College of Business, Marketing - 11.6% Can be very rewarding if you're a grinder. Marketing = sales.

College of Arts & Letters, Undeclared - 9.3% Meh

Mendoza College of Business, Management Entrepreneurship - 7% Solid.

College of Arts & Letters, Design - 7% Ehh...I'm 50/50 on that. Sorry, Manti.

College of Arts & Letters, Anthropology - 7% Hope you plan on grad school.

College of Arts & Letters, Sociology - 4.7% Really hope you plan on grad school.

College of Science, pre-professional studies - 2.3% What the hell is that?

College of Arts & Letters, History - 2.3% Better be going to grad school.

Mendoza College of Business, Finance - 2.3% Solid.

College of Arts & Letters, Political Science - 2.3% Grad school/ law school

College of Arts & Letters, Philosophy - 2.3% Quit football, smoke a lot of weed, and have really "deep conversations." Probably the biggest joke of a major on any college campus.

First Year of Studies - 2.3% (Amir Carlisle) Just fine considering it's first year.

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That's my experience 5 years out of college

 

[dublinirish]

College of Arts & Letters, Philosophy - 2.3% Quit football, smoke a lot of weed, and have really "deep conversations." Probably the biggest joke of a major on any college campus.

hey thats Cam McDaniel's degree!

 

[RDU Irish]

We joked about Michigan in the mid 90s that every freaking player was a Kinesiology major when we would watch that game on TV and they announced majors. Some things never change. This is exactly what Harbaugh berated them for on the recruiting trail when he was coaching at Stanford.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Film Television and Theatre degree, somebody tell me about this, Seems like alot of football players are/were in it (Lou, KVR, MG Jr.) etc.

Current players in it:

George Atkinson III, Josh Atkinson, Farley, Jackson, T.J. Jones, Moore, Nix and Lo Wood.


KVR is actually in the Mendoza College of Business.

 

[CanadalovesND]

hey thats Cam McDaniel's degree!

Lol it's Ishaq's, McDaniel is Psychology

 

[dublinirish]

We joked about Michigan in the mid 90s that every freaking player was a Kinesiology major when we would watch that game on TV and they announced majors. Some things never change. This is exactly what Harbaugh berated them for on the recruiting trail when he was coaching at Stanford.

SPORTSbyBROOKS » Forcier: “You really have to try to flunk out here”

Its always been this way

 

[#1rish]

Who are the finance majors? IMO probably the most difficult major listed on there.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Who are the finance majors? IMO probably the most difficult major listed on there.

The really sharp cookies. I remember Cwynar was a few years back, for example.

 

[dublinirish]

Eifert did Management Consulting.
Grace, Fox are in it now

Collinsworth is in Finance
I think Ben Turk was in there, hes a Wall Street douche now

 

[CanadalovesND]

Eifert did Management Consulting.
Grace, Fox are in it now

Collinsworth is in Finance
I think Ben Turk was in there, hes a Wall Street douche now

Loll, banking analyst

Benjamin Turk | LinkedIn

 

[#1rish]

Eifert did Management Consulting.
Grace, Fox are in it now

Collinsworth is in Finance
I think Ben Turk was in there, hes a Wall Street deutsche now

fixed

 

[dublinirish]

Loll, banking analyst

Benjamin Turk | LinkedIn

i have a good friend's who wife is a VP in DB. I must ask her what hes like haha. I follow Turk on twitter and hes definitely a Wall Street type LOL

 

[CanadalovesND]

i have a good friend's who wife is a VP in DB. I must ask her what hes like haha. I follow Turk on twitter and hes definitely a Wall Street type LOL

A wall street type who out benched Manti lol

 

[dublinirish]

A wall street type who out benched Manti lol

You kill it in the gym at 5am and then at 8am you kill it in the boardroom bro!

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SWAG!

Update: hes transferred to the Houston Offices!

 

[Kak7304]

Who are the finance majors? IMO probably the most difficult major listed on there.

Hendrix in pre med would probably have something to say about that.

 

[Kak7304]

Philosophy at ND is pretty strong relative to other universities. A lot end up going to law school.

Lou majoring in Film, Television, and Theater makes too much sense. I can definitely see him being in movies or on TV when his playing days are over.

 

[Emcee77]

Film Television and Theatre degree, somebody tell me about this, Seems like alot of football players are/were in it (Lou, KVR, MG Jr.) etc.

A lot of guys major in it because it's the closest thing ND has to a communications degree. Many of these people (like Lou, obviously) aspire to a career in broadcasting or television. We can probably lump Atkinson into that category too, with his pops being a Raiders broadcaster.

It's definitely an easy major, or at least it can be if you know which courses to take.. One of my football player buddies at ND told everyone publicly that he picked FTT because he wanted a career in broadcasting some day, but he privately admitted he picked it because the courses require very little reading (a lot of movies and other media). (He's now a hotshot businessman; never even flirted with broadcasting.)

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Philosophy at ND is pretty strong relative to other universities. A lot end up going to law school.

Lou majoring in Film, Television, and Theater makes too much sense. I can definitely see him being in movies or on TV when his playing days are over.

How so? I'm curious. The professors are more whacked than your average college radical, the discipline is 100% subjective, and those who don't move on to grad school or law school make for wonderful baristas at Starbucks.

 

[dublinirish]

A lot of guys major in it because it's the closest thing ND has to a communications degree. Many of these people (like Lou, obviously) aspire to a career in broadcasting. We can probably Atkinson in there too, with his pops being a broadcaster.

is it considered a "respectable" degree choice within ND? Or something that has been tailored to attract athlete types?

 

[irishpat183]

College of Arts & Letters

Film Television and Theatre - 18.6%
(George Atkinson III, Josh Atkinson, Farley, Jackson, T.J. Jones, Moore, Big Lou and Lo Wood)

Undeclared - 9.3%
(Daniels, Hardy, Rabasa, and Schembo)

Design - 7%
(Brindza, Calabrese, Councell)

Anthropology - 7%
(Schwenke, Tuitt, Utupo)

Sociology - 4.7%
(Jalen Brown and Tausch)

History - 2.3%
(Springmann)

Political Science - 2.3%
(Spond)

Psychology - 2.3%
(McDaniel)

Philosophy - 2.3%
(Ishaq Williams)



These are no better than Kines majors. Lets get off our high horse.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i argued this same point with an ann arbor buddy a month ago. actually wasn't much of an argument...he flat out knew it was embarrassing.

 

[irishpat183]

is it considered a "respectable" degree choice within ND? Or something that has been tailored to attract athlete types?

I graduated with a Mass comm degree....from a better Mass Comm school than ND (Sam Houston State, Dan Rather School)...believe it or not.


Not the most challenging of degree plans, I'll even admit.

 

[rtrn2glory]

College of Arts & Letters

Film Television and Theatre - 18.6%
(George Atkinson III, Josh Atkinson, Farley, Jackson, T.J. Jones, Moore, Big Lou and Lo Wood)

Undeclared - 9.3%
(Daniels, Hardy, Rabasa, and Schembo)

Design - 7%
(Brindza, Calabrese, Councell)

Anthropology - 7%
(Schwenke, Tuitt, Utupo)

Sociology - 4.7%
(Jalen Brown and Tausch)

History - 2.3%
(Springmann)

Political Science - 2.3%
(Spond)

Psychology - 2.3%
(McDaniel)

Philosophy - 2.3%
(Ishaq Williams)



These are no better than Kines majors. Lets get off our high horse.

you're telling me philosophy, history, political science, sociology, and anthropology are on the same playing field as kinesiology?

i didn't go to ND, but that wasn't the case where i went to school.

 

[NDBoiler]

Over on the Scout.com board, a fellow IrishEyes member brought this to my attention:

Scout.com: scUM's "academics"




Undeclared - 9.3%
(Daniels, Hardy, Rabasa, and Schembo)

Serious question, how exactly is one in an "undeclared" major when theyve been in school for 3+ years?

 

[Emcee77]

is it considered a "respectable" degree choice within ND? Or something that has been tailored to attract athlete types?

Oh, there are no jock majors at ND. I would say every major is respectable. Some are certainly easier and less time-consuming than others, and some students take those because they are just looking for the easiest way through school, no question, but FTT students learn serious stuff taught by serious profs, and there are a lot of very serious FTT students. One of the smartest guys I know from ND, salutatorian of our class, was an FTT major. It's a "jock major" in the sense that a lot of jocks take it because it is a relatively easy major, but it is not a "jock major" in the sense that no one takes it seriously.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Serious question, how exactly is one in an "undeclared" major when theyve been in school for 3+ years?

Perhaps they do have a declared major, but according to their profiles/bios on und.com, thet are only listed in "College of Arts & Letters". Rather than leave them out of the data, I added them under the context "undeclared".