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Hartman 100% separated himself from Buchner yesterday with this so called QB competition (to make Buchner happy).

The people I sat behind yesterday were from Grand Blanc, MI who said CJ Carr "is the real deal."

I anticipate Buchner to play this year, but if he regresses 2024 will be concerning and I'd like to see more of Angeli. Angeli took some shots yesterday and got right back up, his toughness reminded me of Brady Quinn's.

For the Greathouse question of 30/40 receptions on the season- I will go 30 or under and I would call that a successful season. He will play, but he has some older guys ahead of him and Hartman will share the ball.
 

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Hartman 100% separated himself from Buchner yesterday with this so called QB competition (to make Buchner happy).

The people I sat behind yesterday were from Grand Blanc, MI who said CJ Carr "is the real deal."

I anticipate Buchner to play this year, but if he regresses 2024 will be concerning and I'd like to see more of Angeli. Angeli took some shots yesterday and got right back up, his toughness reminded me of Brady Quinn's.

For the Greathouse question of 30/40 receptions on the season- I will go 30 or under and I would call that a successful season. He will play, but he has some older guys ahead of him and Hartman will share the ball.
In an ideal world Buchner is on the roster in 2024. Angeli looked fine, but there are 2 big problems that I saw, 1. lack of pocket awareness 2. His passes noticeably lacked zip compared to Hartman, Buchner....and Minchey.
 

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In an ideal world Buchner is on the roster in 2024. Angeli looked fine, but there are 2 big problems that I saw, 1. lack of pocket awareness 2. His passes noticeably lacked zip compared to Hartman, Buchner....and Minchey.
I would agree, Angeli is a work in progress, but having Hartman this year has been a boost to the QB room, and hopefully he can learn some things from Hartman. Buchner looks very uncomfortable and my biggest problem with him is he doesn't look for option 2 when option 1 is covered or cannot get open.
 

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NDFan2000 and Stnd01

You do realize most programs look great in their spring games?? Our secondary and LBs have major issues.

Our coaching staff is still very inexperienced.

Time to put down the kool aid. 9-3 would be an excellent season all things considered. 10-2 would be magical. No way we make playoffs w 2 losses.

ND is not at an elite level.
What are you smoking we had one of the top secondary’s last year and return just about everyone. Michigans favored to make the playoffs I like our team way more than them
 

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I thought the same. Hartman definitely had better protection than Buchner, while Buchner probably had more weapons on paper...and yet the Gold team got all the yards. Still, Angeli didn't really move the ball as much as Hartman once he came in behind the same line, although Greathouse still performed. Would have been nice to see how the QBs did once flipped.
Buchner struggles with setting the protection.
Hartman, like any top 10 QB, is making pre-snap reads & 90% sure where the ball is going before rye snap. That’s why he was hitting Greathouse wide open so much.
Buchner is more of a catch the snap, look at my first read, not open, scramble a little and look at my second read, then take off, type of a QB.
Hartman was getting the ball out fast so he wasn’t getting as much pressure.

I didn't want them to switch because I thought TB would look better on the gold team. I wanted them to switch because I wanted the blue team's athletes to show out. I wanted to see someone get Mossed!
 

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This is how it looked in the stadium, too. I also really liked how Hartman is able to evade defenders, remain in the pocket, and keep his eyes downfield. He did that nicely a few times today and ended up with completions.

That's the "IT" factor.
So many Tarzan looking quarterbacks can't do this and that's why they all play like Jane once they hit the NFL.
Pressure breaks pipes and the quarterback's water will always settle at its lowest level in the league.
 

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NDFan2000 and Stnd01

You do realize most programs look great in their spring games?? Our secondary and LBs have major issues.

Our coaching staff is still very inexperienced.

Time to put down the kool aid. 9-3 would be an excellent season all things considered. 10-2 would be magical. No way we make playoffs w 2 losses.

ND is not at an elite level.
Your shtick is getting a little old. Notre Dame could easily win 10 games this year. Tell me where you see our losses
 

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TB should only see the field during blowouts or an injury to Hartman.
I want him playing almost every game. He can sit in the tight ones though.

I'm pretty confident TB will be good in 24. It will probably be a roller coaster offense though with the highest highs and a bunch of head scratchers. The offense will be loaded and the defense should be right there too especially if the young linebackers take the next step.
 

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Your shtick is getting a little old. Notre Dame could easily win 10 games this year. Tell me where you see our losses
I think ND “should” win 10 games this year.

I just have this feeling there will be a Marshall/Stanford loss again that we avoided the previous 5 seasons.

In reality, ND should win 9 games easily just showing up and playing average football, then just going 1-2 in the 3 tough games gets them to 10.

I really want to see ND hammer the bad teams, control & win easily against the average teams, and take the step forward showing Freeman has learned from last year.
One thing BK did, & it happened a lot over the last 5 years, was he just settled for points early in games, and fans were pissed when ND was only up 6-10 points on bad teams late 2nd Q, but then before you knew it, early 4th Q ND was up 4 scores and had backups in. I want ND to show that.

Navy - Steamroll
Tenn St - Steamroll
NC State - Control, win by double digits
Central Mich - Steamroll
OSU - Tossup
Duke - Cobtrol, win by 3 scores
Louisville - Control, win by 3 scores
USC - Control, pull away late
Pitt - Control, win by double digits
Clemson - Tossup
WF - Control, win by 3 scores
Stanford - Steamroll
 

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As of right now, I think it’s fair to give the nod to both Ohio State and USC over Notre Dame. They get the benefit of the doubt.

ND gets them both at home, but Ohio State has been churning out elite quarterbacks year after year and has recruited at such an elite level at every position.

We all know about USC and Williams, but they’ve really placed an emphasis at beefing up their front seven as well. They’re going to get Bear Alexander too. They’ll be a real force, and I expect them to be in Playoff contention.

Clemson is a head scratcher. Vernables was a great defensive coordinator, and you can tell last year that they missed him. They’ve got unknowns at quarterback, but Clemson is a very tough environment to win on the road. You can’t just chalk that up as a win.

ETA: What’s up with Pitt and NC State? Both, especially Pitt, have been playing well lately. Are they returning a lot? Are they expected to be any good?

Luckily we have a guy under center that's already experienced Death Valley.
There won't be any 'deer in the headlights' from Sam.
 

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One thing BK did, & it happened a lot over the last 5 years, was he just settled for points early in games, and fans were pissed when ND was only up 6-10 points on bad teams late 2nd Q
Or, he settled for some points, drives started going nowhere, and suddenly we were in a dog fight with a team itching to upset us, often scraping out by the seat of our pants sometime late 4th Q

See: 2021 Toledo, Virginia Tech, 2019 Virginia Tech, 2018 Ball State, Vanderbilt, Pitt, Northwestern.
 

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I would agree, Angeli is a work in progress, but having Hartman this year has been a boost to the QB room, and hopefully he can learn some things from Hartman. Buchner looks very uncomfortable and my biggest problem with him is he doesn't look for option 2 when option 1 is covered or cannot get open.
Processing still seems like a big issue for TB12 yeah. Which is frustrating, because this is year 3 for him. Has to be better, hopefully will be as we get into the Fall.
 

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Or, he settled for some points, drives started going nowhere, and suddenly we were in a dog fight with a team itching to upset us, often scraping out by the seat of our pants sometime late 4th Q
See: 2021 Toledo, Virginia Tech, 2019 Virginia Tech, 2018 Ball State, Vanderbilt, Pitt, Northwestern.
All wins.
I will take all those games over Marshall & Stanford, both at home with ND 3 score favorites.
I believe when BK left, ND had the longest win streak in the nation against unranked teams.
And ND still made the CFP in 2018 & 2020 with those games above because the committee doesn’t care as long as you win.
Beating Ball State by 8 is trumped by beating Michigan by 7 and so on.
 

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I think ND “should” win 10 games this year.

I just have this feeling there will be a Marshall/Stanford loss again that we avoided the previous 5 seasons.

In reality, ND should win 9 games easily just showing up and playing average football, then just going 1-2 in the 3 tough games gets them to 10.

I really want to see ND hammer the bad teams, control & win easily against the average teams, and take the step forward showing Freeman has learned from last year.
One thing BK did, & it happened a lot over the last 5 years, was he just settled for points early in games, and fans were pissed when ND was only up 6-10 points on bad teams late 2nd Q, but then before you knew it, early 4th Q ND was up 4 scores and had backups in. I want ND to show that.

Navy - Steamroll
Tenn St - Steamroll
NC State - Control, win by double digits
Central Mich - Steamroll
OSU - Tossup
Duke - Cobtrol, win by 3 scores
Louisville - Control, win by 3 scores
USC - Control, pull away late
Pitt - Control, win by double digits
Clemson - Tossup
WF - Control, win by 3 scores
Stanford - Steamrol

All wins.
I will take all those games over Marshall & Stanford, both at home with ND 3 score favorites.
I believe when BK left, ND had the longest win streak in the nation against unranked teams.
And ND still made the CFP in 2018 & 2020 with those games above because the committee doesn’t care as long as you win.
Beating Ball State by 8 is trumped by beating Michigan by 7 and so on.
Oh for sure, I'll never say that a loss is better than a win. You're completely right about that. It just felt like too often, we didn't really steamroll teams that we should because BK would get conservative far too early.
 

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I agree with this. What’s concerning is that Buchner had the benefit of the red jersey - i.e., I can’t get hit - and yet he still looks so uncomfortable, rushed and flustered out there. Again, Driskell and other talking heads talk this guy up so much. Ask yourself this, what on God’s green earth has Buchner done in his limited playing time to warrant starting and playing over Hartman?

Thus, Freeman and Notre Dame knew what they were doing by bringing Hartman in. There was never going to be a quarterback controversy or battle. It was Hartman’s job. He didn’t forgo the NFL Draft or transfer to a school to sit on the bench.

He’s the quarterback. Buchner (and hopefully the others) may benefit from watching Hartman for a year.
I actually think the Red jersey hurt Buchner. He’s not a drop back pocket, read the defense, go through progressions passer. He’s a get out of the pocket, make defenses adjust for the run threat, and look for opportunities passer. The red jersey took that away, And it didn’t help that his tackles were on roller skates.

With that said, he looked bad
 

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Considering he’s the blue teams coach and the results, McCullough’s seat has heated up considerably!

Anyhow, the only thing true about the spring game is that there is no big “takeaway” from the spring game.
 

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“At home” against OSU would imply that the crowd won’t be 60% clad in scarlet…
Hopefully they don't sell their tickets and the red minimal.
I actually think the Red jersey hurt Buchner. He’s not a drop back pocket, read the defense, go through progressions passer. He’s a get out of the pocket, make defenses adjust for the run threat, and look for opportunities passer. The red jersey took that away, And it didn’t help that his tackles were on roller skates.

With that said, he looked bad
Buch will be fine in 24. The team will probably break records for scoring, but still have 1-2 head scratchers every game.
 

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Oh for sure, I'll never say that a loss is better than a win. You're completely right about that. It just felt like too often, we didn't really steamroll teams that we should because BK would get conservative far too early.
I think he played the “big picture” game a lot those last 5 years.
He knew ND couldn’t afford a loss to a bad team, and even if they eaked out close wins, as long as they were 12-0 they were making the CFP. Heck, his last year at 11-1 they make the CFP if Auburn RB doesn’t run out of bounds and stop the clock vs Bama.
 

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I think ND “should” win 10 games this year.

I just have this feeling there will be a Marshall/Stanford loss again that we avoided the previous 5 seasons.

In reality, ND should win 9 games easily just showing up and playing average football, then just going 1-2 in the 3 tough games gets them to 10.

I really want to see ND hammer the bad teams, control & win easily against the average teams, and take the step forward showing Freeman has learned from last year.
One thing BK did, & it happened a lot over the last 5 years, was he just settled for points early in games, and fans were pissed when ND was only up 6-10 points on bad teams late 2nd Q, but then before you knew it, early 4th Q ND was up 4 scores and had backups in. I want ND to show that.

Navy - Steamroll
Tenn St - Steamroll
NC State - Control, win by double digits
Central Mich - Steamroll
OSU - Tossup
Duke - Cobtrol, win by 3 scores
Louisville - Control, win by 3 scores
USC - Control, pull away late
Pitt - Control, win by double digits
Clemson - Tossup
WF - Control, win by 3 scores
Stanford - Steamroll

An issue I had w/ BK was we didn't put teams away, and when we did it was late. Our 1s were In the game far to long. Now look at Bama, Clemson, OSU ect... They often put team away by half. Anyone who has played high contact sports, knows the season is a grind. We need to be playing and developing the 2s and 3s in the 2nd half of a lot of these games. The aforementioned teams keep their guys "fresh " buy doing so.
 

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I actually think the Red jersey hurt Buchner. He’s not a drop back pocket, read the defense, go through progressions passer. He’s a get out of the pocket, make defenses adjust for the run threat, and look for opportunities passer. The red jersey took that away, And it didn’t help that his tackles were on roller skates.

With that said, he looked bad
He’s just not that dynamic to play that way and be successful. Vince Young could pull that off. Buchner? No way. Kid is just lacking that “calmness” that all the good ones have. Where the game slows down and they make it look easy. From what I saw yesterday, Hartman has it. Now he just better stay healthy.
 

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All wins.
I will take all those games over Marshall & Stanford, both at home with ND 3 score favorites.
I believe when BK left, ND had the longest win streak in the nation against unranked teams.
And ND still made the CFP in 2018 & 2020 with those games above because the committee doesn’t care as long as you win.
Beating Ball State by 8 is trumped by beating Michigan by 7 and so on.
I don't think we will beat some of these teams by 3 scores. But I agree many we will! I think MF is going to really emphasize the idea of us playing less with our food and dominating weaker teams. He gets that this builds depth, which builds better success in the future
 

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Your shtick is getting a little old. Notre Dame could easily win 10 games this year. Tell me where you see our losses
Why is my shtick (thank you for the Yiddish) getting old? Because you don't like it? LOL.

I do not think ND will be favored in OSU, USC or Clemson games. I also think with an inexperienced OC and HC they will have a couple other games that could be losses too.

I think 9-3 is where most money will peg this season for ND. I am sorry it doesn't reflect your reality.
 

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Angelli looked better than Buchner. He may earn the backup qb spot by the end of the summer.
I am kind of hoping Buchner transfers after this season which would force this coaching staff to do another Portal Veteran QB. Buchner will always have happy feet and will never be elite. We need a guy like Hartman next year too. That gives Carr and Minchey another year to mature.

Unfortunately, if Buchner stays there may be pressure not to go to a Portal QB again and that would be foolish.
 

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Why is my shtick (thank you for the Yiddish) getting old? Because you don't like it? LOL.

I do not think ND will be favored in OSU, USC or Clemson games. I also think with an inexperienced OC and HC they will have a couple other games that could be losses too.

I think 9-3 is where most money will peg this season for ND. I am sorry it doesn't reflect your reality.
No, your shtick is getting old because it’s always the same thing. We’ll never win the big one, we don’t recruit good enough, Freeman isn’t a great coach, our team is below average. If you would counteract your negativity with some positive comments that would be a different story. Clemson and USC I believe are wins for us. OSU is a toss up
 

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After watching the bits of Sam I Am on our site, I say: We Good. Prognostication for the defense? Really good secondary --- "even" the safeties. Linebackers will be fine. DLine is where we will be taken to great levels or not. If those guys are as good as we have been for the last several seasons, all the rest will sparkle. I leave it to IE experts to let me know how the DLine will fare --- especially since in the past we have been able to rotate in AT LEAST two full lines who play at high levels. Our two lines (O&D) have been so enjoyably physical and unafraid of anyone, that it has been great to be an ND fan these years.

Offense? Sam I Am takes all our "almost there" receivers and gets them in the endzone. We don't have to have Fuller or Floyd (but if they still have eligibility come on back. Sam will just score in two plays rather than six or eight.) RBs are top level nationally --- in cumulation, and Estime maybe AA on his own. Sam I Am will MAKE the TEs replace Mayer --- They just have to block. So that leaves "my" guys. I still couldn't tell from the small replay (Thank You though for that!!!) what's going to go on there. Alt of course is great. Correll looked pretty good. I assume that Fisher did too, since the breakdowns seemed on the other side mainly. I tried to watch Schrauth --- hard to do since re-run back and forth was almost impossible. Most of the plays he seemed pretty good. Had him beside Alt unless I misread the numbers. An Alt/ Schrauth/ Correll "side" should be a good one. The vets should coach up the rookie. The other guard? You guys need to tell me. Who looked better at Right Guard? We have played powerful straight ahead mashers there for several years (Think Kraemer and Lugg types) and that has worked. Do we have a good replacement? If we do, the OLine should be a strength. Sam I Am makes it easier on them anyway, as he is so quick to see the read and deliver. Also, when speed rushes go fast wide, they don't seem to deflect his attention at all. When some interior pocket constriction occurs, he seems to rapidly notice it and step one step away and deliver. Gentlemen, even with Ian, I do not believe that we have seen this quite this smooth and quick.

So my three wishes:
A. Everybody stay reasonably healthy all season long, especially Sam I Am;
B. The Big Eaters of the DLine grow at least two deep everywhere and stay hungry all four quarters, as they have;
C. My Good Ol' Bigguns on the OLine put two Nasty, Intelligent, Not Quite Gentlemen into the guard positions, and
do our Quentin Nelson impersonations giving opponents very hard days.

.... and, for once, I don't see any reason why those things can't happen.
Dammit. Even at 82, I'm a little excited about this bunch. ... hope the system can take it:D
 

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No, your shtick is getting old because it’s always the same thing. We’ll never win the big one, we don’t recruit good enough, Freeman isn’t a great coach, our team is below average. If you would counteract your negativity with some positive comments that would be a different story. Clemson and USC I believe are wins for us. OSU is a toss up
Well sorry you don't like what I have to say. I doubt with the constraints at ND that winning a Natty is in the cards. Blame that on the Admin for sure. Yes we are not gap closing or shopping down the same recruiting aisle as the elite programs.

Freeman certainly hasn't proved himself to be a great HC. Its early and I am hopeful as he is a likable fellow. But that doesn't mean he will be a great HC. He has to deal with ND's constraints like Kelly did. I have never said ND is "below average" so stop making shit up. LOL. I think all-in, ND is definitely a Top 25 program and hopefully Top 15 / Top 10.

The issue is the ND constraints put upon this storied program by the Administration. This offseason only exposed those constraints again.
 

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I am kind of hoping Buchner transfers after this season which would force this coaching staff to do another Portal Veteran QB. Buchner will always have happy feet and will never be elite. We need a guy like Hartman next year too. That gives Carr and Minchey another year to mature.

Unfortunately, if Buchner stays there may be pressure not to go to a Portal QB again and that would be foolish.
Kinda hoping for the same. Buchner is good but not good enough. The first couple series yesterday if we were playing USC or Ohio State they woulda sacked him 4-5 times. Idk if I even saw someone close to sacking Hartman yesterday. Hartman does make some risky throws and I’m sure he will have a few INT to show for it but the big plays 6 big plays to 1 INT should out weigh those mistakes
 
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