Scholarships by classes

[SoCalDomer]

I know someone created a spreadsheet breaking down the scholarships by expected graduation class, but I can't find it. Plus, four scholarship players left.

I'm trying to refresh my memory on how many scholarships we'll have to offer in 2009 and how many spots we may have for 5th year seniors in 2008.

Here's what I was able to piece together:

2007 - Freshman
Armando Allen
Jimmy Clausen
Taylor Dever
Gary Gray
Robert Hughes
Duval Kamara
Aaron Nagel
Kerry Neal
Andrew Nuss
Emeka Nwankwo
Steve Paskorz
Mike Ragone
Matt Romine
Brian Smith
Harrison Smith
Golden Tate
Brandon Walker
Ian Williams
Total - 18

2006 - Sophmores
James Aldridge
Sergio Brown
Ryan Burkhart
Matt Carufel
Zach Frazer
Jashaad Gaines
Barry Gallup
Leonard Gordon
Richard Jackson
Demetrius Jones
Raeshon McNeil
Paddy Mullen
Eric Olsen
Robby Parris
Munir Prince
Konrad Reuland
Morrice Richardson
John Ryan
Luke Schmidt
Toryan Smith
Chris Stewart
Kallen Wade
Darrin Walls
Bartley Webb
Daniel Wenger
George West
Will Yeatman
Sam Young
Total - 28 (originally) - 4 transfers = 24

2005 - Juniors
David Bruton
Paul Duncan
David Grimes
Derrell Hand
Ray Herring
Joey Hiben
D.J. Hord
Patrick Kuntz
Kyle McCarthy
Steve Quinn
Asaph Schwapp
Evan Sharpley
Scott Smith
Michael Turkovich
Kevin Washington
Total - 15 (originally) - 1 transfer = 14

2004 - Seniors
Abdel Banda
Darrin Bragg
Justin Brown
Maurice Crum
Tregg Duerson
Leo Ferrine
Justin Hoskins
Chauncey Incarnato
Junior Jabbie
John Kadous
Terrail Lambert
Brandon Nicolas
Ronald Talley
Anthony Vernaglia
Darius Walker
David Wolke
Total 16 (originally) - 9 transfers/no longer playing = 7

I know CW gave Bemenderfer (2005 - Jr) a scholarship, and possibly one or two other walk-ons. Someone help me out with the other walk-ons who got scholarships.

So we currently have 57 scholarship players (including Bemenderfer of the walk-ons) who will return next year (assuming no transfers and no one stops playing).

We currently have 21 coming in from the class of 2008. Assuming we end up with 23-25 players come in next year, we will have between 80 and 82 scholarship players in the Frosh, Soph, Jr, and Sr classes for 2008. That should leave only 3-5 spots for 5th year seniors in 2008 right?

So in 2009, we will have 15-16 scholarships (depending on how many in the class of 2005 return for a 5th yr, assuming no other transfers and no one leaves early for the NFL) to offer?

 

[GoshenGipper]

This is the best breakdown I've seen

2008 Total Scholarhips (85)

Fifth Year Senior 2008 (7)

RB Junior Jabbie
DE Justin Brown
LB Maurice Crum Jr, Anthony Vernaglia
CB Terrail Lambert, Leo Ferrine
LS J.J. Jansen

Senior 2009 (15)

QB Evan Sharpley *
RB Asaph Schwapp **
WR David Grimes, D.J. Hord **
OL Paul Duncan, Mike Turkovich, Thomas Bemenderfer
DT Patrick Kuntz, Derrell Hand *
LB Steve Quinn, Scott Smith, Kevin Washington *
S David Bruton, Ray Herring, Kyle McCarthy *

Junior 2010 (24)

RB James Aldridge, Luke Schmidt *
WR George West, Richard Jackson, Rob Parris, Barry Gallup *
TE Will Yeatman
OT Sam Young, Bartely Webb *
C Dan Wenger *
OG Eric Olsen, Chris Stewart *
DE John Ryan, Kallen Wade *
DT Paddy Mullen *
LB Toryan Smith, Morrice Richardson
CB Darrin Walls, Raeshon McNeil, Munir Prince
S Sergio Brown, Jashaad Gaines, Leonard Gordon *
K Ryan Burkhart

Sophomore 2011 (18)

QB Jimmy Clausen
RB Armando Allen, Robert Hughes
WR Duval Kamara, Golden Tate
TE Mike Ragone
OT Matt Romine **, Taylor Dever *
OG Emeka Nwankwo
DE Kerry Neal
DT Ian Williams, Andrew Nuss *
LB Aaron Nagel *, Steve Paskorz *, Brian Smith
CB Gary Gray *
S Harrison Smith *
K Brandon Walker

Freshman 2012 (21)

QB Dayne Crist
RB Jonas Gray
WR John Goodman, Mike Floyd
TE Kyle Rudolph, Joseph Fauria
OL Lane Clelland, Mike Golic, Braxston Cave
DL Sean Cwynar, Hafis Williams, Brandon Newman, Omar Hunter, Ethan Johnson
LB Anthony McDonald, Paul Posluszny, Darius Fleming, Steve Filer
DB Dan McCarthy, Jamoris Slaughter, Robert Blanton

ASTERISK LEGEND
* = Player may be eligible for 5th year of eligibility
** = May be granted medical redshirt

 

[SoCalDomer]

That is helpful.

But the difference between my Junior class and the senior class in yours is one scholarship: my list doesn't include Bemenderfer (I used recruiting lists) and yours does. So adding him to my list, each of our years are the same. But, I thought there was one more walk-on that earned a scholarship?

So the seven potential 5th year seniors in your list requires that we take no more recruits for 2008 than we have right now. I don't think that's likely. I believe we will at least get two more.

And that also means it is unlikely that more than one or two Seniors will be asked back for 2009. I can't imagine Weis wanting to get less than 15 recruits in 2009 because it would result in uneven upper classes like we have this year.

 

[jonesman]

Scholarship Availability??

Scholarship Availability??

Guys,
Forgive me for being a little on the slow side. Where do we stand with our scholarship situation. I remember that when we got to about 21-22 commits that we would start affecting how many 5th year guys we can take. With the transfers of Carufel, Rueland and Jones, where dues that leave us?? It appears that we are only in the game for about 3-4 more guys of which we only likely get a couple. The Robinson's and maybe Walker appear the only real possibilities. If we only get a couple more, can we still take all the 5th year guys. I really think that we will need some of these guys to bridge the youth. Thanks fellas

 

[SoCalDomer]

GG posted the list below in this thread ( http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/fighting-irish-recruiting/28434-scholarships-classes.html ) that is probably easier to read/use than the list I compiled in the first post.

If we take no more in 2008 than we have right now (21), we have 7 spots for 5th yr seniors next year. I think we will have 2-3 more for this year, so that leaves only 4-5 5th yrs who can come back.

2008 Total Scholarhips (85)

Fifth Year Senior 2008 (7)

RB Junior Jabbie
DE Justin Brown
LB Maurice Crum Jr, Anthony Vernaglia
CB Terrail Lambert, Leo Ferrine
LS J.J. Jansen

Senior 2009 (15)

QB Evan Sharpley *
RB Asaph Schwapp **
WR David Grimes, D.J. Hord **
OT Paul Duncan, Mike Turkovich, Bemenderfer
DT Patrick Kuntz, Derrell Hand *
LB Steve Quinn, Scott Smith, Kevin Washington *
S David Bruton, Ray Herring, Kyle McCarthy *

Junior 2010 (24)

RB James Aldridge, Luke Schmidt *
WR George West, Richard Jackson, Rob Parris, Barry Gallup *
TE Will Yeatman
OT Sam Young, Bartely Webb *
C Dan Wenger *
OG Eric Olsen, Chris Stewart *
DE John Ryan, Kallen Wade *
DT Paddy Mullen *
LB Toryan Smith, Morrice Richardson
CB Darrin Walls, Raeshon McNeil, Munir Prince
S Sergio Brown, Jashaad Gaines, Leonard Gordon *
K Ryan Burkhart

Sophomore 2011 (18)

QB Jimmy Clausen
RB Armando Allen, Robert Hughes
WR Duval Kamara, Golden Tate
TE Mike Ragone
OT Matt Romine **, Taylor Dever *
OG Emeka Nwankwo
DE Kerry Neal
DT Ian Williams, Andrew Nuss *
LB Aaron Nagel *, Steve Paskorz *, Brian Smith
CB Gary Gray *
S Harrison Smith *
K Brandon Walker

Freshman 2012 (21)

QB Dayne Crist
RB Jonas Gray
WR John Goodman, Mike Floyd
TE Kyle Rudolph, Joseph Fauria
OL Lane Clelland, Mike Golic, Braxston Cave
DL Sean Cwynar, Hafis Williams, Brandon Newman, Omar Hunter, Ethan Johnson
LB Anthony McDonald, Paul Posluszny, Darius Fleming, Steve Filer
DB Dan McCarthy, Jamoris Slaughter, Robert Blanton

ASTERISK LEGEND
* = Player may be eligible for 5th year of eligibility
** = May be granted medical redshirt

 

[Irishtat]

This is the best breakdown I've seen

Are those 5th year guys confirmed?

 

[jonesman]

SoCal,
Thanks so much. So at this point every addition to the 2008 class will take a 5th year away. If we add 2 more commits, which I hope are a OL and WR, we still can take the 5 5th year players most needed. If we add 3-4, it will be interesting to see who we decide not to take. I think Ferrine and Jansen are the two that will be off the list first. I think then it is Jabbie, who I really like. After that, you are getting into guys who we will need in 2008. Crum, Vernaglia, Brown, Lambert are all important to help carry the D with all its youth. Finally we will have a full load of scholarships.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Where it gets tricky is how many 2009 5th years to take so that we have at least 15 scholarships for 2009 incoming recruits. Too small of a class in 2009 will hurt like it did this year.

 

[aaronb]

exactly so-cal. it can't be good for recruits to see the staff running off 5th year guys because they are deemed expendable.

 

[jonesman]

This is why I see this class capping at 23 or max 24 bodies. This will allow us to fill every need on the roster and still allow for several 5th year players. Go irish

 

[SoCalDomer]

exactly so-cal. it can't be good for recruits to see the staff running off 5th year guys because they are deemed expendable.

I don't think it's as much about the perception of running off the 5th years. The balancing act is:

1) it is helpful to have experience and leadership, which usually comes from the guys who have been there the longest.

2) The upperclasses right now aren't as talented as the incoming recruits CW is able to get and is going after. Since the 5th years aren't going to carry this team, keeping them all means the incoming class won't be as numerous and possibly not as talented as it could be with more open spots (less 5th years).

3) You don't want lopsided classes. Keeping too many 5th years means we have fewer scholarships for incoming classes. We took 15 and 16 recruits in 2003, 2004, and look where that got us. We have to have at least 17-19 per year and probably no more than 21-23 to make sure all four classes are balanced.

 

[Sureal]

exactly so-cal. it can't be good for recruits to see the staff running off 5th year guys because they are deemed expendable.

Agreed.
Who do we really want back for a 5th year? Crum and then who else?

 

[SoCalDomer]

No that list is just those with 5th year eligibility. I assume the actual 5th years approved back will depend on how many more 2008 recruits commit

 

[Irishtat]

No that list is just those with 5th year eligibility. I assume the actual 5th years approved back will depend on how many more 2008 recruits commit

Got it. Curious to see who actually has applied...

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Got it. Curious to see who actually has applied...

I don't think it's even happened yet. I could be wrong, but I think it comes in the next month or so.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Are those 5th year guys confirmed?

No one is. Those are the ONLY 5th years we have (the 7 guys). I think only Crum has said he wants to come back.

The guys who SHOULD come back:
Crum
Lambert
Jansen
Maybe Brown...

 

[Irishtat]

I don't think it's even happened yet. I could be wrong, but I think it comes in the next month or so.

Right. So until then its merely speculation... I'm assuming once the banquet is over we will all have a better idea and hopefully a few more commits. (which I'm sure has been said already)

 

[Irishtat]

No one is. Those are the ONLY 5th years we have (the 7 guys). I think only Crum has said he wants to come back.

The guys who SHOULD come back:
Crum
Lambert
Jansen
Maybe Brown...

Brown and Crum would be nice...

 

[SoCalDomer]

The guys who SHOULD come back:
Crum
Lambert
Jansen
Maybe Brown...

Does Jansen do more than just long snap/FG/EP duties? I know you can't just put anyone in there (snaps over the head aren't good), but that seems like the last position we absolutely need a 5th year scholarship player for.

(I'm not putting him down personally. He graduated from my wife's, cousins' husband's high school where he teaches, Brophy Prep in Phoenix, AZ. What does that make us? Absolutely nothing Lone Star! But I was glad to know some peeps who know some peeps on our team.)

 

[piyachi]

Yea I think Jansen is one of the less critical players to have back.

Not to mention it's a lot of extra work for someone who doesn't seem to have a realistic shot at furthering their football career.

What we need are players in leadership positions, players who have something they can really contribute to the younger guys:

Crum - Critical that he comes back not only for talent at the position but to teach all the young'uns we have at ILB. Also he is an emotional leader and I hope he instills that in others.

Vernaglia - He hasn't done much despite perennial hopes for him, but he is at a position we need depth in

Brown - Again concerns about depth

Jabbie - Yes we have a lot of talent at RB, but if he can make Armando understand how to pick up blitzes better, he is worth it

Lambert - Really on the fence about him. He may be ready for a breakout year since he has all the physical tools, he just needs more going on upstairs. At the least he could help our young guys at CB.

 

[jonesman]

Guys,
I think there are 5 guys who we really could use next season. Crum and Vernaglia for LB's. Crum is a leader and Vernaglia brings depth and experience. Brown is hugely important. He will be a starter at DE. He has shown some good flashes and one more year of growth will make him solid. Lambert is a solid player. You can never have too many CB's with today's college offenses running 3-4 WR's. An injury to Walls and we are without a single experienced CB. Jabbie, is a solid player and made the most of his time. He can help the guy mature, assist on special teams. I really like him. Let's hope we get all 5 of these guys back.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Well 5 5th years means we take no more than 23 in our 2008 class. we already have 21, with three more hopefully signing on. so we may only have room for 4 5th years.

 

[piyachi]

I think 1 more WR and one more OL is pretty reasonable. Hope doesn't mean we will get all 3 and we will be lucky to get one from each pool even though we are sitting well with at least 3.
There is still the issue of balance - the last thing we need is a ton of kids in this class and no one to learn from.

 

[aaronb]

I say let all 7 of the 5th year guys come back. Stick with 21 Recruits in this class. Then you are able to have at least 17 recruits to the 2009 class. As it stands currently. Each guy we add to this class is one guy we subract to next year. If nothing else these 5 year guys add depth and practice bodies.

Jansen- next years long snapper
Vernaglia- Starting ILB next year
Crum- Starting ILB next year
Jabbie- Your 4th TB next year. Do we really want to go to war with only 3?
Ferrine- CB depth, thinnest position on the roster except for TB
Brown- Should be significant contributor to the DL
Bragg- Scout team QB and insurance that we are able to Red-shirt Crist

I don't see anyone on the list that absolutely HAS to go.

 

[aaronb]

16 open slots for 2009 recruits if we dont bring anyone else in. Every extra guy we bring in this class takes away a scollie for next years HS Seniors.

 

[piyachi]

Do you really think that having a long snapper is better than a 4th O-Lineman in this class? Also we have 4 tailbacks with Jonas coming in.

 

[aaronb]

piyachi, The OL depth is already here. It seems counter productive at this point to add more to this class. All you are doing is pushing someone like Bartley Webb out the door. We are 3 deep at the line as is. All 3 incomming Freshmen are looking at Red-Shirt years in 2008. Only 3 guys graduate next year. To me it boils down to this. Do I want 4 OL in the 08 class and 1 OL in the O9 class. Or do I want it to be spread more evenly between the classes. This year showed me it is better to have depth spread out between each class. Obviously just my opinion.

 

[aaronb]

With the injuries that occur at TB. Having 5 full time scholarship backs is a smart move.

 

[SoCalDomer]

16 open slots for 2009 recruits if we dont bring anyone else in. Every extra guy we bring in this class takes away a scollie for next years HS Seniors.

I'm not sure how you're ariving at 16 open slots for 2009. Look back at Gippers breakdown in the 2nd post, that's what I'm using for my numbers below.

For 2008, we will have 15 Srs, 24 Jrs, 18 Sophs, and currently 21 Frosh. That gives us 7 spots for more Froshs or 5th yrs in 2008. I believe we will have at least 23-24 total commits for 2008, so we will have space for 4-5 5th yrs max.

In 2009, we will have 24 Srs, 18 Jrs, 23-24 Sophs, leaving 19-20 spots for 5th yrs or Froshs.

I think CW will favor taking recruits over 5th yrs from here out. Becuase of the large numbers in the lower classes, fewer numbers in the upperclasses, and open scholarships, this year was different than most where CW needed and wanted more 5th yrs. I don't anticipate him asking more than 2, 3, or 4 back per year from here out.

(All this assumes no transfers, career ending injuries, or players deciding to leave FB.)

 

[aaronb]

I am using it assuming that all eligible 5th year guys come back after the 2008 season. 7 5th year guys this year and 9 guys who are not eligible for a 5th year next year. The number could grow if not everyone comes back. However you are rolling the dice that some arent wanting to come back.