Sam Young.

[NDOM]

The biggest 6'8" 330 pound pussy in the world. If he's not holding someone or getting a personal foul, he is continually getting lit up at the line of scrimmage. He has to be by far the biggest offensive line FLOP in the history of the game. In 3 games he has 6 holding calls and 2 personal foul/late hit calls. Time to put in a new kid that actually gives a shit. Sorry I just had to vent.

 

[We_Are_ND]

ehhh, he has to be pretty good considering he has started every game since he was a freshman, no?

I think his dumb play this year has been a result of his adrenaline and not keeping himself under control.

 

[notredomer23]

The biggest 6'8" 330 pound pussy in the world. If he's not holding someone or getting a personal foul, he is continually getting lit up at the line of scrimmage. He has to be by far the biggest offensive line FLOP in the history of the game. In 3 games he has 6 holding calls and 2 personal foul/late hit calls. Time to put in a new kid that actually gives a shit. Sorry I just had to vent.

I would like you to say this to his face. I completely disagree. The holding penalties do kill, but 2 of the 4 he has gotten in the last 2 weeks were not even close to holding. I would rather him than Romine. And that is no knock on Romine, but obviously he is starting for a reason

 

[NDOM]

I would like you to say this to his face. I completely disagree. The holding penalties do kill, but 2 of the 4 he has gotten in the last 2 weeks were not even close to holding. I would rather him than Romine. And that is no knock on Romine, but obviously he is starting for a reason

The bigger they are the harder they fall. I dont care how big he is. There is no man on this earth that scares me. I spent plenty of time in the military to know my share of fighting. Just cuz he's big doesnt mean I wouldnt say it to his face. I would be happy to. I'm just stating the obvious thats all.

 

[tko]

i'm still wondering how many gassers he ran after the game for his senseless penalties. if not gassers, i would've had him picking up trash throughout the stadium. someone has to get these kids under control. ND isn't Miami. We s/b playing smarter football.

 

[Brown]

lol @ your time in the military being relevant when going up against a 6'8 330+ lb Div 1 offensive lineman. You'd get your big tough-guy head stomped in, in minutes, and it wouldn't even be close.

And other than some timely focus-laps (penalties) -- he's been as solid as we could've hoped coming into the season.

He's a top 5 (out of 150) NFL OT prospect right now.

 

[BGIF]

The biggest 6'8" 330 pound pussy in the world. If he's not holding someone or getting a personal foul, he is continually getting lit up at the line of scrimmage. He has to be by far the biggest offensive line FLOP in the history of the game. In 3 games he has 6 holding calls and 2 personal foul/late hit calls. Time to put in a new kid that actually gives a shit. Sorry I just had to vent.

I'm not a Sam Young champion. He's been made legendary by fans based HS rating, on promise, and by starting every game since he was a true freshman.

He's no Aaron Taylor in my book but you post is flat out wrong.

First, your post contradicts itself. A pussy doesn't drive forward without a helmet, nor to the whistle ala Jeff Faine, or even beyond it. Driving past the whistle obviously needs to be stopped. But coaches would rather see that aggression than the passive pussiness you imply. Faine, like Taylor, was cherished for that dominating his man. I don't think Young has dominated but not for lack of trying.

Second, you claim Young has 6 holding penalties but the Official Stats at UND.com only lists only a Total of 7 Offensive Holding Penalties against the entire OLine against Nevada, UM, and MSU. Young only has 2 of them both in the UM game. Olsen is starter without a Holding Penalty.

All the Holding Penalties for the 3 games are listed below by game and by Quarter. I included Opponent Holding Penalties and Defensive/Special Teams Holding as well.

Wenger 1 Nev
Young 2 UM
Brown (Defense) 1 UM
Stewart 1 UM
Robinson 1 MSU
Duncan 1 MSU
Gallup (Special Teams) 1 MSU


Nevada:
2Q
[FONT=Courier New, monospace]H 1-10 H21 PENALTY ND holding (WENGER) 10 yards to the ND11.[/FONT]

UM:
1Q
<CENTER><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=665><COLGROUP><COL width=661><TBODY><TR bgColor=#87cefa><TD width=661>PENALTY MICH holding (Koger, Kevin) 10 yards to the MICH19.

<CENTER><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=665><COLGROUP><COL width=661><TBODY><TR bgColor=#87cefa><TD width=661>PENALTY MICH holding (Ortmann, Mark) 10 yards to the MICH49.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>2Q <CENTER><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=665><COLGROUP><COL width=661><TBODY><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD width=661>PENALTY ND holding (YOUNG) 10 yards to the ND21.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>
PENALTY ND holding (BROWN) 10 yards to the MICH28, 1ST DOWN MICH.
3Q
PENALTY ND holding (STEWART) 10 yards to the ND10.

<CENTER><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width=665><COLGROUP><COL width=661><TBODY><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD width=661>PENALTY ND holding (YOUNG) 10 yards to the ND9.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></CENTER>MSU:
2Q
[FONT=Courier New, monospace]H 2-16 V49 CLAUSEN pass complete to ALLEN for 1 yard to the MSU48, out-of-bounds,[/FONT][FONT=Courier New, monospace]PENALTY ND holding (ROBINSON) 10 yards to the ND42.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, monospace]V 1-10 H26 Cousins, Kirk pass incomplete to Dell, Mark (WALLS), PENALTY MSU holding ([FONT=Courier New, monospace]Moss, Brendon) 10 yards to the ND36, NO PLAY.[/FONT][/FONT]
3Q
[FONT=Courier New, monospace]H 1-10 V22 GRAY, J. rush for 3 yards to the MSU19 (Jenrette, R.;Denson, Brandon).[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, monospace]H 2-7 V19 PENALTY ND holding (DUNCAN) 10 yards to the MSU29.[/FONT]

[FONT=Courier New, monospace]Swenson, Brett kickoff 68 yards to the ND2, RIDDICK return 25 yds to the ND27 (Anderson, Andre;Denson, Brandon), PENALTY ND holding (GALLUP) 10yards to the ND17, 1st and 10, ND ball on ND17.[/FONT]
4Q


Do you watch the games, NDOM?

Do you watch them sober or just count the posters mentioning Young and attribute them as aggregate penalty calls?

The announcers may have called Young's name when the hold was actually attributed to another OL.

 

[Brown]

Sam Young has been very good according to all of his scouting reports. If you read any NFL Draft websites, people think Young is underrated because of the poor teams he's been on each of the last 2 seasons.

He was the best linemen on the team back in '06 and has only gotten bigger, faster, and stronger since then.

He'll be a 1st day NFL draft pick next year.

 

[BGIF]

...
He was the best linemen on the team back in '06 and has only gotten bigger, faster, and stronger since then.

...

In '06 and '07 he was routinely assigned a Move TE to help him out with his blocking regardless of which side of the field he played on. If it wasn't obvious in the game it was in watching the replay. He frequently whiffed, or blocked a man assigned to another. Defenders ran between his and the OG untouched as they each figured he was the other guys man.

The guys at BlueGraySky did a piece on it including game clips. It really stood out when they were charting the plays runs v pass, types of runs, etc, and in many TE sets neither one was going out as one was lined up next to him and the other motioned in that direction.

 

[notredomer23]

just sayin BGIF and it doesnt really make a difference but he wasnt on the team in 05

 

[BGIF]

just sayin BGIF and it doesnt really make a difference but he wasnt on the team in 05

Thanks for catching that! I edited my post to the correct first two years of '06 and '07.

 

[laservet]

I think he's a good player, just has lapses in intelligence and discipline. Unfortunately, those lapses can be costly. In the UM game he clearly punched a UM lineman in the nuts, wasn't caught.

The penalty problem across the board is a lack of discipline that has to be addressed at the coaching level. Otherwise there will be more instances where a great team performance can be undermined by a bonehead move at a critical time.

 

[JefMaj]

As has been pointed out on ND radio after the game - The ND coaches are telling Young to keep up with wha the's doing. His positive aggressiveness - outweighs the negatives.

 

[jonesman]

NDOM,
Your plain and simple an ass. I may not agree with all Young's play, but he is giving great effort this year and has been the called for a few bad calls.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Sorry guys, I'm in complete disagreement here. Sam Young (and the O-line) has finally started live up to the hype - thank you Frank Verducci!!! He has them playing with fire, with technique, and they play through the whistle. Now we're going to get mad at them for playing with the fire we've been waiting for??? Yeah, they have some holding penalties that we'd all like to get fixed, however watch the games again and you will remember that some if them are complete bullshit calls. I'm not blaming bogus calls on our players.

As for Young's complete b.s. penalty in the 4t quarter, I watched that play again, and I slowed it down. It was total bs by the cheating refs. The runner was on his way down as Young engaged his guy and then stomped him. Young was ahead of the play--he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. Sam had the guy 1/3 of the way down to the ground when the first whistle blew ... there's no way he could have stopped the block, and I don't want him to stop his block. I'm glad Verducci finally has them finishing blocks. Maybe Sam Young could have pulled up a bit (just a bit), but that was just another b.s. call by a Big Ten crew. 2 weeks in a row.

So Young is finally showing some balls, ripping people's helmets off, and generally playing like the pissed off S.O.B. we've been waiting for. Now he needs to find the happy medium, but hell, I'll take over-the-top Sam Young than softie Sam Young any day of the week.

And guys, we finally have a running game!!!!!!!

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Sorry guys, I'm in complete disagreement here. Sam Young (and the O-line) has finally started live up to the hype - thank you Frank Verducci!!! He has them playing with fire, with technique, and they play through the whistle. Now we're going to get mad at them for playing with the fire we've been waiting for??? Yeah, they have some holding penalties that we'd all like to get fixed, however watch the games again and you will remember that some if them are complete bullshit calls. I'm not blaming bogus calls on our players.

As for Young's complete b.s. penalty in the 4t quarter, I watched that play again, and I slowed it down. It was total bs by the cheating refs. The runner was on his way down as Young engaged his guy and then stomped him. Young was ahead of the play--he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. Sam had the guy 1/3 of the way down to the ground when the first whistle blew ... there's no way he could have stopped the block, and I don't want him to stop his block. I'm glad Verducci finally has them finishing blocks. Maybe Sam Young could have pulled up a bit (just a bit), but that was just another b.s. call by a Big Ten crew. 2 weeks in a row.

So Young is finally showing some balls, ripping people's helmets off, and generally playing like the pissed off S.O.B. we've been waiting for. Now he needs to find the happy medium, but hell, I'll take over-the-top Sam Young than softie Sam Young any day of the week.

And guys, we finally have a running game!!!!!!!

I said the same thing as they were showing the replay. He has no idea the runner is down. Complete bullshit call.

And you are right about the running game. I think we ran for like 22 yards last year at MSU.

It doesnt matter what we do, people will still find a way to complain. This board never ceases to amaze me in that regard.

 

[Dacian_Irish]

I disagree with this also!! Some of the calls were terrible!

The personal foul:
As an offensive lineman you want to push people to the ground. Yesterday he got called for finishing a play. If you watch a lot of football (which obviously some of you guys don't) it happens in every game!

So you think Sam Young needs to be replaced?

Let me ask you a question.

How is Jimmy Clausen doing and How is Armando Allen doing?

 

[mizzouirish]

How's this for punishment:

The coaches should take all the players that were penalized and make them watch the rest of the team run gassers.

 

[jason_h537]

Sam Young is alot of hype but hehas played much better this year. The whole o-line is much more agrressive and Sam young is playing with a nasty streak. He had a couple holding calls (one was bs) but that's going to happen. He did deserve that personal foul call yesterday. Was it the worst thing i have seen in the last two weeks? no but he did shove the guys down late. I don't like the timing of the call, a senior should know better but i do like the attitude he has shown so farthis year.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

I have absolutely no problem with the linemen getting a few unsportsmanlike calls. I think these guys should be playing with some rage and if they smack a couple guys a little after the whistle - so be it. If it helps get in the other guy's head, jump him outside the locker room for all I care. Jeff Faine used to get those calls and, in my mind, he was one of the toughest, meanest SOB's to ever strap on a helmet for the Irish.

The holding calls drive me nuts, but it is part of the game. I think Sam Young's shortcomings are not his fault. He has had three years of shitty position coaching and now he is starting to come in to his own. He is now part of an Oline that has paved the way for a 100+ rusher two games in a row. Sacks are way down too.

Bravo! These guys are finally starting to look like a D1 offensive line.

Frank Verducci - one of the best moves CW has EVER made!!!

 

[Junkhead]

I have absolutely no problem with the linemen getting a few unsportsmanlike calls. I think these guys should be playing with some rage and if they smack a couple guys a little after the whistle - so be it. If it helps get in the other guy's head, jump him outside the locker room for all I care. Jeff Faine used to get those calls and, in my mind, he was one of the toughest, meanest SOB's to ever strap on a helmet for the Irish.

The holding calls drive me nuts, but it is part of the game. I think Sam Young's shortcomings are not his fault. He has had three years of shitty position coaching and now he is starting to come in to his own. He is now part of an Oline that has paved the way for a 100+ rusher two games in a row. Sacks are way down too.

Bravo! These guys are finally starting to look like a D1 offensive line.

Frank Verducci - one of the best moves CW has EVER made!!!

This.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

I think he's a good player, just has lapses in intelligence and discipline. Unfortunately, those lapses can be costly. In the UM game he clearly punched a UM lineman in the nuts, wasn't caught.

The penalty problem across the board is a lack of discipline that has to be addressed at the coaching level. Otherwise there will be more instances where a great team performance can be undermined by a bonehead move at a critical time.

No doubt. The drive-killing holding call or personal foul is much bigger than just playing your position on the previous downs. He's a senior making freshman mistakes. That's on him AND THE COACHES!! Its the team-wide lack of mental sharpness that is most disappointing.

OT: Armando has stepped up his game, congrats to him!

 

[fortwayne_nd]

I have absolutely no problem with the linemen getting a few unsportsmanlike calls...

This team hasn't proven its good enough to overcome stupid penalties.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Sam Young is alot of hype but hehas played much better this year. The whole o-line is much more agrressive and Sam young is playing with a nasty streak. He had a couple holding calls (one was bs) but that's going to happen. He did deserve that personal foul call yesterday. Was it the worst thing i have seen in the last two weeks? no but he did shove the guys down late. I don't like the timing of the call, a senior should know better but i do like the attitude he has shown so far this year.

Again, the runner was on his way down as Young started his block. Go look at the replay again. All Young did was finish his block as the whistle blew. That's not a misprint, HE FINISHED HIS BLOCK!!! How many times in the Latina era did ND linemen finish their blocks? It's not Young's fault some diaper ref, part of the same ref crew that missed Floyd's TD both live and on replay, pulled the trigger on another b.s. call. I'm sooooo glad this unit has some fire finally! (and yes, that's what she said...)

 

[jason_h537]

Again, the runner was on his way down as Young started his block. Go look at the replay again. All Young did was finish his block as the whistle blew. That's not a misprint, HE FINISHED HIS BLOCK!!! How many times in the Latina era did ND linemen finish their blocks? It's not Young's fault some diaper ref, part of the same ref crew that missed Floyd's TD both live and on replay, pulled the trigger on another b.s. call. I'm sooooo glad this unit has some fire finally! (and yes, that's what she said...)

I did watch it again and he pushed him down after the play was dead. Yeah itwas close and yeah i like the attitude but it was not a bad call. I am more upset about the no flag on MSU when they Clausen after he took a knee. He got hit late and got hurt. The NFL would fine players forthat kind of shit

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Sorry guys, I'm in complete disagreement here. Sam Young (and the O-line) has finally started live up to the hype - thank you Frank Verducci!!! He has them playing with fire, with technique, and they play through the whistle. Now we're going to get mad at them for playing with the fire we've been waiting for??? Yeah, they have some holding penalties that we'd all like to get fixed, however watch the games again and you will remember that some if them are complete bullshit calls. I'm not blaming bogus calls on our players.

As for Young's complete b.s. penalty in the 4t quarter, I watched that play again, and I slowed it down. It was total bs by the cheating refs. The runner was on his way down as Young engaged his guy and then stomped him. Young was ahead of the play--he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. Sam had the guy 1/3 of the way down to the ground when the first whistle blew ... there's no way he could have stopped the block, and I don't want him to stop his block. I'm glad Verducci finally has them finishing blocks. Maybe Sam Young could have pulled up a bit (just a bit), but that was just another b.s. call by a Big Ten crew. 2 weeks in a row.
So Young is finally showing some balls, ripping people's helmets off, and generally playing like the pissed off S.O.B. we've been waiting for. Now he needs to find the happy medium, but hell, I'll take over-the-top Sam Young than softie Sam Young any day of the week.

And guys, we finally have a running game!!!!!!!

I did not need replay to know that was a bogus call by a friggen overzealous anti ND ref. I made a gameday comment that bogus calls are preventing ND from finishing plays. ND is aggressive, but already gunshy as a result.

Young is busting his ass, and busting the guys in front of him.

Floyd was slammed down after the play last week in front of the refs. No call. Young was finishing the play.

You nailed it yet again NDinLA. Good call bud.

 

[jason_h537]

I disagree

There were alot of no calls and bad calls
Blantons late hit was BS especially when you consider that the Jonas Gray had the same kind of hit on him and there was no flag. Perhaps you can argue that Blanton was called because of an effort to protectthe QB. Ifthat is thecase why was there no flag when Jimmy took a knee and was hit by 2 defenders. That made me so angry especially since he did injure himself. I do not think the Sam Young call was bad.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I disagree

There were alot of no calls and bad calls
Blantons late hit was BS especially when you consider that the Jonas Gray had the same kind of hit on him and there was no flag. Perhaps you can argue that Blanton was called because of an effort to protectthe QB. Ifthat is thecase why was there no flag when Jimmy took a knee and was hit by 2 defenders. That made me so angry especially since he did injure himself. I do not think the Sam Young call was bad.

You disagree with what? And with whom? I agree with everything you observed.

But.

The Sam Young call was pathetic.

He was playing football until the whistle blew.

 

[jason_h537]

You disagree with what? And with whom? I agree with everything you observed.

But.

The Sam Young call was pathetic.

He was playing football until the whistle blew.

You and NDinLA. i don't think the Sam Young play was a bad call

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Exactly how much experience do you have with the game?

Not calling you out buddy - you are my good friend.

Bring it back. Why do think it was not a bad call?

Wabash and NDMontana, what do you guys think?

I know I might be completely wrong.