Running out of Room?

[rockne19]

i agree about vernaglia he better have one monster year if he is to come back .he has done absolutely nothing in 3 years.

 

[irishunclebill]

You really think Vernaglia will be back?? If he does, it's because he had a pretty darn good year.

I don't know Stoney. Everything I hear says that Vernaglia is working his ass off and you would assume that CW would reward him for that. However, if NSD comes, and there are no schollies left if Vernaglia is coming back, and Arthur Brown, or Will Hill tell you they want to come to ND, CW is going to be in a very difficult position. IMO, if it came to that he would probably cut Vernaglia loose for the good of the program, but there is no way of knowing that for sure, and personally I hope it does not come down to that.

One thing I forgot to include in the schollie count is the impact of Bemenderfer who will probably pick up a schollie if he contributes anything at all this year. If that happens that reduces the available number 1 more.

 

[son of rook]

Irishunclebill your math is right if you bring back (3) 5th years all you can take is 22.If you do that you leave 3 probability elite 5 star on the board because of lack of scholarships to offer.

 

[rockne19]

so far from what i have seen the past couple of years the only one that i would want back is crum.lambert has had his moments,but he has been burnt more than toast(then again all of our secondary has been)

 

[son of rook]

Would you want Crum back and not have a scholarship for Beal or Sweat?

 

[scooper]

Would you want Crum back and not have a scholarship for Beal or Sweat?

Yes, if he's a ready made starter as opposed to a freshman that you've never seen taking the field.

If you do that you leave 3 probability elite 5 star on the board because of lack of scholarships to offer.

If Weis and company really get this thing headed in the direction we want, this may happen pretty frequently. It's been a long time since ND's been in this position. It's a nice problem to have.

 

[son of rook]

I believe Bemenderfer will get a scholarship only if someone leaves the program and crum will be offered a 5th year only if we don't get another elite ILB.

 

[scooper]

I believe Bemenderfer will get a scholarship only if someone leaves the program.

Maybe, but if he makes the two deep this season, they almost have to give him one. And based on his performance in the spring, that may very well happen.

 

[irishunclebill]

Irishunclebill your math is right if you bring back (3) 5th years all you can take is 22.If you do that you leave 3 probability elite 5 star on the board because of lack of scholarships to offer.

Thank you very much, at least I can leave work now knowing that I am not completely brain dead.

I'm not going to get into the relative merits of whether those guys should come back or not, you guys pretty much exhausted that topic earlier. Besides, what we think about that subject is meaningless, CW will have to decide what his philosophy on that subject is going to be as this is the first year that he will be truly faced with that dilemma. I do not agree that bringing those guys back will cost ND 3 5 star recruits because CW will definitely decide in his own mind whether any of the 5th years are coming back long before NSD. If he decides they will be back, the accepted offers will stop at around 19, and the staff will hold schollies for the most elite uncommitted players that have ND offers and are still showing interest. If he decides that none of them will be back, you will be easily able to tell because if the accepted offers hit 21 or 22, and Brown, Forston, and Hill are still available and interested, I can almost guarantee you that there will be schollies being held for them.

Not to be a smart ass, but it is kind of late and I am very tired, don't you think that if I can figure out a way to hold three schollies for the best players in the country, that for CW it's a cakewalk. Give the guy a little credit, and before you take it the wrong way I am not implying that you were implying that he was not smart enough to realize that.

Whew, when you use implying twice in the same sentence it is definitely time to go to bed.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

This thread is starting to resemble a global warming one. Only there's less contention in the latter.

 

[scooper]

This thread is starting to resemble a global warming one. Only there's less contention in the latter.

There are no Satans Little Helpers in this thread.

 

[Irishknight1023]

Would Weis really say no If a kid wanted to come back for a 5th year and work his butt off? I can't picture it to be honest. Stephenson wanted to come back and Weis asked him why and he said he didn't want to look back at his time at ND and say "What if" and Charlie gave him the 5th year so if someone really wants to come back I don't see Weis turning them away, even if i'd rather him to.

 

[son of rook]

Last year Weis had plenty of scholarships to play with, he gave out (9) 5th years and still ended up being (9) short of the allowed 85.

 

[rockne19]

I agree with IrishKnight1023 if a kid works his tail off and shows that he wants to be there he will allow him back.From what I have seen from Stephenson in 4 years which is nothing .I dont know that if I would have had him back?He must have really convinced Charlie.

 

[IrishCalves]

I think what people are forgetting when they pencil in #'s, is that 22 is already a high number for this group. I remember a couple months ago, before all the verbals, hearing #'s like 19 or 20 being tossed around with common acceptance. Weis may be striking while the iron is hot by bumping that # up to 22, but he's said for quite a while that he wants to even the classes out eventually, to about 20 per year.

Then we started to have some real recruiting success around the Blue and Gold game, which, combined with a little more clarity about where the offers are going, and some of the "luxury" additions like a signal caller, lead to #'s like 22, or 23 even being more prominent.

So, considering where we came from, 22 is not selling ourselves short. 25 was never a realistic consideration, period. I just don't want fans to look at 22 and be disappointed, thinking we should have brought in 6 LBs, or 4 WR's. You do what you can if the guys already here don't step up - which I think, Weis is already doing by going after 3 WR's, even though there was only 1 WR we would've lost, in Bragg - but at some point, you can't continue to sacrifice the future scholarships.

Think about it: a jumbo class this year would only leave the cupboard bare when its their year to graduate. Imagine how raw this team would have been had Carlson, Zbikowski, Laws, Sullivan, even Geoff Price not stuck around for a 5th year, because you can't look at a big class an rely on them to have 5th years. If you're still not convinced, revisit that thought when you see these guys play this fall, and imagine just how green that team would be. When you see Zibby run one back, or Laws be the Rock of Gibraltar on the DL, and envision him gone for some freshman recruit.... in the words of George Scott from Patton, "You'll know what to do."

 

[Jason Pham]

I agree with GD3.

Say we take 22 this year. That leaves a scholarship breakdown of 22 Freshman, 18 Sophomores, 28 Juniors, 14 Seniors. If we have two transfers that leaves room for 5 fifth years.

During the 2009 recruiting cycle. We'll have 22 Sophomores, 18 Juniors, 28 Seniors, subtracting the 2 transfers, we are left with 19 scholarships for incoming freshman AND fifth year seniors.

We're gonna have to a get a little more picky about who gets a scholarship in the next few years.