Rick Minter...

[LOVEMYIRISH]

As much as I love ND, if I was a top flight defensive recruit, I wouldnt play for Minters defense.

I can understand that...Minter and Lewis are very demanding...not many people can handle that.

 

[NDOM]

As much as I love ND, if I was a top flight defensive recruit, I wouldnt play for Minters defense.

Me either. I would want to play for a Ron English at michigan to give an example. Look what he did in 1 year at Michigan and they didnt really have much better talent than we did.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

Glad you know how to copy and paste but the fact remains Notre Dame has not been that good in years past so one might look at us that way too. Sure we did well the last two years but what is the outlook next year? Same as Bama.. They are rebuilding too, but their D would kick our D's ass everyday. I wish we did have the D they have. We would be playing Ohio for the NC this year and we would have won the NC last year.

And thanks I just threw up in my mouth again...

there's only about 25 yards per game difference between 'bama and notre dame on defense.

 

[ColinKSU]

Lets see a great education, a great head coach that has the ability to put you in the NFL, national TV exposure every saturday, one of the greatest college environments in the country. I would say playing time probably isn't even top 5 on the list really.

Then you're not an 18-year old high school kid.

You need a little more than ND's aura to recruit kids these days. Ask Ty. He tried to let ND sell itself and he is now coaching at Washington. Charlie will put you in the NFL if you play for him on offense, but he's not calling those plays on defense, buddy. That's Rick's world, and this is all Rick's fault.

A kid looks at USC or OSU's defense and sees them flying all over the field and just killing any poor bastard who's carrying the football and then he looks at ND's defense and sees Purdue throw for almost 400 yards on it AT HOME and sees Joe Dailey from North Carolina whose own fans wanted the head of suddenly look like a HEISMAN QB against us...Again...AT HOME...And what do you think is going through his mind if he wants to play defense in college?

And why do people kep saying Minter is such a good DC? He cost us a shot at the title when he was the DC under Holtz and he has shown nothing to change things in his second go around here.

 

[BGIF]

I am a die hard ND fan but how can anyone call Alabama a second rate team? Sure they suck this year but they have always had top defences. And last time I checked they have won almost as many NC as we have. More by some accounts. To say they are 2nd tier is just plain stupid, sorry..... I must go now I think I just threw up in my mouth for defending the Tide.

Simple when Gene Stallings retired Alabama was the 3rd ranked team in college football history behind ND and UM with a .732 winning percentage. From 1892 to 1996 Alabama lost 203 games an average of roughly two games a year.

In the 10 years since Alabama is 67-54 .554. They are averaging almost 5-1/2 losses a year.

Where Bear Bryant used to average 10 wins a season, Bama coaches now have a 10 win season every 4 years or so. Bama has become a 3rd place finisher not in the SEC but in the Western Division of the SEC.

Quite a few Bama fans that I know think 2nd tier is being too charitable.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

Me either. I would want to play for a Ron English at michigan to give an example. Look what he did in 1 year at Michigan and they didnt really have much better talent than we did.

no,there is a big difference in talent between michigan and notre dame.
there is no way our defense could blitz and cover our offense like michigan did.

I don't want to piss anyone off,but just becasue somone goes to notre dame these days,doesn't mean they are a top notch player.Maybe minter can do some things different,but...

 

[BGIF]

Me either. I would want to play for a Ron English at michigan to give an example. Look what he did in 1 year at Michigan and they didnt really have much better talent than we did.

... they didnt really have much better talent than we did.

victor, that is you, isn't it?

 

[NDOM]

no,there is a big difference in talent between michigan and notre dame.
there is no way our defense could blitz and cover our offense like michigan did.

I don't want to piss anyone off,but just becasue somone goes to notre dame these days,doesn't mean they are a top notch player.Maybe minter can do some things different,but...

I would never get pissed off from what you have to say dude. Thats the beauty of this site. You should be able to tell it like it is.

 

[Freeman Ara]

You don't think kids want to play and be seen on TV every Saturday? The kids today want national TV exposure its a huge selling point. And you think Weis goes into the games and says ok Rick see ya after the game I don't want to know what happens on the defensive side of the ball, just don't screw up. Weis might not call the defensive plays but he listens in and adds his input if he doesn't like it, he's the head coach. Another thing is, ya know what, your not going to get the average 18 year old to come to ND. Most of the kids that come here get what ND is and what they are playing for, they realize its special so yeah the envronments a selling point too. Everyone that wants to fire Minter should calm down, this years team was projected to win it all on offense, we knew the defense was a liability. Let Weis and the coaching staff get the talent we need to compete on that side of the ball and things will be much better, its already starting to come. Just be patient.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Look what he did in 1 year at Michigan and they didnt really have much better talent than we did.

Serious bullshit alert here. They have much better talent. Their recruiting classes from 2002-2005 were consistently in the top15...that's more than I can say for ND.

 

[ColinKSU]

You don't think kids want to play and be seen on TV every Saturday? The kids today want national TV exposure its a huge selling point. And you think Weis goes into the games and says ok Rick see ya after the game I don't want to know what happens on the defensive side of the ball, just don't screw up. Weis might not call the defensive plays but he listens in and adds his input if he doesn't like it, he's the head coach. Another thing is, ya know what, your not going to get the average 18 year old to come to ND. Most of the kids that come here get what ND is and what they are playing for, they realize its special so yeah the envronments a selling point too. Everyone that wants to fire Minter should calm down, this years team was projected to win it all on offense, we knew the defense was a liability. Let Weis and the coaching staff get the talent we need to compete on that side of the ball and things will be much better, its already starting to come. Just be patient.

The "National TV" thing doesn't hold as much weight as it did before.

The SEC has a national deal with CBS, the Big 12 and Pac-10 with Fox, the Big East is on ESPN every Thursday night and I believe the Big 10 made some deal with a big carrier.

All the big schools are on national TV every week. It's not hard to find OSU or USC or Texas on TV, regardless of where you live in the country. Not hard at all.

 

[tedwick]

I dunno. I've got mixed feelings about Minter. I don't know how you can leave the middle THAT wide open with a reciever like Jarrett on the opposing team. However, the adjustments made in the 2nd and 3rd quarters were pretty darn good, and kept ND in the game when the offense was going 3 and out.

The "fire minter" calls are pretty drastic, but some sort of schematic change needs to be made with regards to pass protection. also, will someone teach our cb's to wrap and drive?

 

[Freeman Ara]

The "National TV" thing doesn't hold as much weight as it did before.

The SEC has a national deal with CBS, the Big 12 and Pac-10 with Fox, the Big East is on ESPN every Thursday night and I believe the Big 10 made some deal with a big carrier.

All the big schools are on national TV every week. It's not hard to find OSU or USC or Texas on TV, regardless of where you live in the country. Not hard at all.

Ok if you real believe that having our own network doesn't help thats your opinion I guess, but overall their are plenty of reasons for top talent, on both sides of the ball to come to South Bend. If your a smart kid and your thinking about the future seriously, your question should be, why wouldn't I want to go play at ND?

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

look it doesn't take very long in a game to know when you are beat.Even in a zone coverage when that guy goes in your zone you are required to pick him up.Minter is not out there,all he can do is teach a player the fundamentals.If they don't have the speed...they don't have the speed.
Oh,last i checked they don't have a lot of height either.Doesn't that have a lot to do with why weis exposed a lot of backs the last couple years with the tall recievers he has?

 

[ColinKSU]

Ok if you real believe that having our own network doesn't help thats your opinion I guess, but overall their are plenty of reasons for top talent, on both sides of the ball to come to South Bend. If your a smart kid and your thinking about the future seriously, your question should be, why wouldn't I want to go play at ND?

I dunno...Because the defensive staff can't use you right?

Does a prep QB want to go to a OC who's QBs throw more INTs than TDs?

Does a prep WR want to go to a OC who hasn't produced a 1,000 yard receiver?

Does a prep HB want to go to a OC who hasn't turned out a 1,000 yard rusher?

...Then why should a prep Defensive player want to go to a DC who can't shut anyone who isn't a service academy down? It works both ways, man. We always hear about offensive players wanting to go to a school with an exciting, pro-style offense but why is it no one ever considers the fact that a defensive player might want to go to a school who has shown they can shut people down from time to time?

And you can believe the national TV thing with NBC is gigantic, but it really isn't. The best schools in the nation are on national TV every week, just like we are, and you know what?

THOSE STATIONS PROBABLY COMPLIMENT THE SCHOOLS FROM TIME TO TIME.

We have a friggin' USC ALUMNUS calling our games, and every single f'n broadcast is a circle-**** for the team we're playing. You barely hear anything positive about the Irish during an NBC broadcast.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

Does a prep WR want to go to a OC who hasn't produced a 1,000 yard receiver?

I don't know.Why don't we ask aurelius benn that one?

 

[ColinKSU]

I don't know.Why don't we ask aurelius benn that one?

I'll be sure to ask him when he gets out of the swimming pool filled with money that Illinois built for him.

And, for what it's worth, that Locksey or whatever his name is, is a pretty good OC and apparently some sort of Demigod.

 

[Freeman Ara]

I dunno...Because the defensive staff can't use you right?

Does a prep QB want to go to a OC who's QBs throw more INTs than TDs?

Does a prep WR want to go to a OC who hasn't produced a 1,000 yard receiver?

Does a prep HB want to go to a OC who hasn't turned out a 1,000 yard rusher?

...Then why should a prep Defensive player want to go to a DC who can't shut anyone who isn't a service academy down? It works both ways, man. We always hear about offensive players wanting to go to a school with an exciting, pro-style offense but why is it no one ever considers the fact that a defensive player might want to go to a school who has shown they can shut people down from time to time?

And you can believe the national TV thing with NBC is gigantic, but it really isn't. The best schools in the nation are on national TV every week, just like we are, and you know what?

THOSE STATIONS PROBABLY COMPLIMENT THE SCHOOLS FROM TIME TO TIME.

We have a friggin' USC ALUMNUS calling our games, and every single f'n broadcast is a circle-**** for the team we're playing. You barely hear anything positive about the Irish during an NBC broadcast.

Know why it looks like the DC can't use the guys there now correctly? Because some of the guys on defense are position changes, and most of them don't have the level of talent Minter needs to run his scheme. And if you truly feel that we have to have a shutdown defense before we can get top tier recruits, hate to tell ya a DC change isn't going to make that happen. Average talent is average talent. Now if in two years when the current freshman are juniors and we are no better, then yeah things need to be done, these things take time to get better. Have some faith.

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

I'll be sure to ask him when he gets out of the swimming pool filled with money that Illinois built for him.

you got any proof on that.
This could be just the thing to get irishenvy on the map.Sorta like that dude on the aggies website with bomar and the car dealership.

 

[tedwick]

I'll be sure to ask him when he gets out of the swimming pool filled with money that Illinois built for him.

you got any proof on that.
This could be just the thing to get irishenvy on the map.Sorta like that dude on the aggies website with bomar and the car dealership.

Believe it or not, I've got pictures!

...

 

[GREENJERSEYS'07]

I'll be sure to ask him when he gets out of the swimming pool filled with money that Illinois built for him.
Believe it or not, I've got pictures!

...

that's uncle scrooge,I don't think that will fly to well with the press.

 

[Master Guns]

But its funny!

 

[guff]

ND has a back up running back starting at SLB. That's all you need to know about ND's defensive talent level. Again in case you missed it - ND has a back up running back starting at SLB. I love TT but he's 215 soaking wet holding a bag of gravel and he gets devoured by lineman.

The D Line is incapable of rushing the passer. That forces ND to blitz. But blitzers never get to the QB. That puts even more pressure on a secondary that already has trouble defending the pass.

Good defense begins with pressuring the QB. This team can't do it. Minter can't fight through the blocks.

 

[Seymore]

ND has a back up running back starting at SLB. That's all you need to know about ND's defensive talent level. Again in case you missed it - ND has a back up running back starting at SLB. I love TT but he's 215 soaking wet holding a bag of gravel and he gets devoured by lineman.

The D Line is incapable of rushing the passer. That forces ND to blitz. But blitzers never get to the QB. That puts even more pressure on a secondary that already has trouble defending the pass.

Good defense begins with pressuring the QB. This team can't do it. Minter can't fight through the blocks.

Guff, My point exactly ! I'll be honest, Im not a huge Minter fan, but in reality, what else can he do with what he's working with. How many players starting on Defense do you truly think Rick's comfortable with.

 

[Dynasty0609]

It is obvious that Weis needs a DC who can coach his defense w/o help and recruit his own defense as well... Yes Weis has the final say but someone who he respects more would get the kids in...

Who's next Crennel, Shannon, Mickey Andrews, somebody please...

Minter can't recruit and his schemes are affecting recruiting... You can not believe that if you want but it is the truth...

 

[Seymore]

It is obvious that Weis needs a DC who can coach his defense w/o help and recruit his own defense as well... Yes Weis has the final say but someone who he respects more would get the kids in...

Who's next Crennel, Shannon, Mickey Andrews, somebody please...

Minter can't recruit and his schemes are affecting recruiting... You can not believe that if you want but it is the truth...

Again, Im no Minter fan. It's obvious he needs more talent on defense, but again, how will he utilize it once it's intact ? My biggest problem with Rick is his emotions, I wanna see him back on the sideline slapping helmets, grabbing facemasks, and pulling in some recruits. I've seen nothing !

 

[Clotho]

Yes, yes, ND has no talent on D. Just several possible future NFL players. And that D-line sucks! So what if one of them will go first round, and two more will probably get drafted? There's no talent!

No, there's plenty of talent. The linebackers are depleted and suck, yes, but there is talent to spare in the secondary and in the starters on the d-line. Minter just made nothing of it, nor did he scheme in such a way as to help mitigate the talent deficiencies of his linebacking corps.

His coaching this year and last year was horrible, and we will not win a national title while he's our d-coordinator. You can count on that.

 

[Clotho]

Also, the longer you keep this guy on the worse it gets. It becomes a culture of bad D, so that new guys like Walls and Gray and Neal don't play up to their potential. I don't want this guy corrupting the youth. Weis needs to hire a young, hungry, talented d-coordinator and ditch the washup.

 

[guff]

Maybe you should take a look at last year's recruiting class and this year's verbals before you bashing Minter's recruiting abilities.

ND is rebuilding - believe it or not. Two very good season have disguised that fact, but it is a fact. Next year is going to be scary. This thread - Guys, if you're worried... I'd jump now!-is required reading, if you haven't already.

 

[Dynasty0609]

Do you honestly think that Minter straight up got a kid interested who already wasn't interested in Notre Dame to commit?

Do you think that Minter's schemes are attracting these guys in... Yes the talent, but why are we blitzing a corner, two linebackers, and leaving guys like Richardson, Lambert, Wooden, one on one with Dwayne Jarret... Even if it was veteran Walls I wouldn't just leave him out there on an island... Unless I can get pressure with just six players.... and drop 5...

Yes Minter probably can recruit but he can't game plan and scheme... I've watched a whole lot of football and offenses are way too advanced for his schemes...

I'm not a jumper either I've been to the 93 at Purdue game, 93 FSU, 2004 at Tennessee games... I've never jumped off...