Reprecussions from the game

[GDomer09]

Did the same thing yesterday. Went to a University of San Diego DII game. My nephew (in the Navy) pulled out his I phone at half-time and said you don't want to know (14-0). My day was officially ruined and I began checking updates and forgot about watching the game that I was at. Yu have to wacth the game and do your own analysis and draw your own conclusions. Navy well coached disciplined team that made no mistakes. We moved the ball between the 20's all day but pull more boner's in this game than all combined YTD. Untimely fumbles, terrible redzone play calls as usual, missed FG's, and poor player personnel decisions and finally pathetic tackling. I lke CW but no doubt will take alot of shit about him AGAIN for a game that despite many player errors he still could have won making the right coaching decisions. Not like my vote matters but if he wins out he stays. So far nobody had kicked our ass and you have to go back to Lou Holtz to say that about a whole season.

Watch the game and post your analysis. Just remember their are bigger things in life than ND football that's why you put coaching first. I'm going to church.

I agree 2,380,179%!!!!!!!!

 

[NDMontana]

Well, sounds like you are "on the fence." Me too. Yesterday was simply atrocious, but I think it would be a mistake to fire the guy right now, unless ND has a bonafide proven college coach in hand. I was elated at the firing of Ty and not so happy at the hiring of CW, but I am just a guy typing words on a comp that probably ruined some relationships yesterday.

Santa is pissed.

I hope you didn't destroy any important relationships!

I definitely want him back....but with some extremely specific and stringent benchmarks that must be met next season.

 

[NDMontana]

Could he be BIPOLAR?

You should probably read my reply. I think it explains my position pretty clearly and I think my position is pretty fair.

 

[Master Guns]

Did you honestly believe Navy and Michigan would beat us this year? Be honest...

Navy has been trouble for the Irish during the last three coaches. The triple option is tough and compund that by poor prep and you get yesterday.

 

[phgreek]

Don't watch it buddy. It was gut wrenchingly atrocious. I was dangerous to innocent bystanders and to myself. I may have ended real life relationships. I couldn't bring myself to post on here. Go to church or something. Go shopping.

...Agreed, I tivo'd it too, and lacked a friend to warn me off watching it...It was like watching them put your dog to sleep...

dude...remeber your dog as he was when he had a BCS pulse...maybe think of him off on a farm somewhere...

 

[Guest]

Navy has been trouble for the Irish during the last three coaches. The triple option is tough and compund that by poor prep and you get yesterday.

Why don't they just send one of their scouts to the Navy games with an HD camcorder and bring it back to campus? Have someone on the team break it down so when the week arrives, the hard work is done.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

...Agreed, I tivo'd it too, and lacked a friend to warn me off watching it...It was like watching them put your dog to sleep...

dude...remeber your dog as he was when he had a BCS pulse...maybe think of him off on a farm somewhere...

Try losing an intelligent tuxedo cat friend, as well as your entire family, yourself, and then this game. Gotta love the tuxedo cat. Cool shit.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

People who lost to Navy twice in a row on their home turf: Charlie Weis, Saddam Hussein.

 

[Junkhead]

People who lost to Navy twice in a row on their home turf: Charlie Weis, Saddam Hussein.

Does that mean they are going to find Charlie in a spiderhole and execute him? That's a bit much!

 

[irishtrain]

I think its all a mute point now.

 

[dre1919]

I went to the game (my first one!) and it was less about Navy beating us as Notre Dame allowing them to play their game and then ND beating themselves. Navy played clean, mistake free football and Notre Dame kept giving them chances to win. We didn't even have our head in the game until it was 14-0, and from then out it was a fight. A fight in which we continually tried to mount with one hand tied behind our backs. You simply cannot turn the ball over three times and expect to beat good teams, and Navy is disciplined enough to be good. They do what they do very well and wait to see if it's enough or they'll get you to make mistakes and beat yourself. We did.

Watching the game live, I can tell you no one on the defense had a clue as to how to defend the option. It was literally like they were seeing it for the first time. Sure, you have to watch the fullback up the middle. However, the whole point is to play smart, sound assignment football. You must account for the pitchman on the outside and continue to force the QB to either keep it, or push him to the center of the defense where you have help. We wouldn't do this on many downs, and as a result, a Navy skill position player would be sprinting down the sideline for a big gain. Ridiculous. Notre Dame's current talent is faster, bigger and stronger than Navy's (and usually is) and yet we got pushed around at the point of attack.

I think Notre Dame was seriously looking past Navy to either Pitt, someone else, or just didn't think anything more than showing up was required. I don't know why when this Navy team has proven itself to be able to at least mount a good fight (see Ohio State game). Ultimately, the coaching is where the issues lie...and not just Charlie. Why were there no adjustments by the defensive staff? Where was the dedication to getting the defense ready to play the option? Why is Jimmy still making dumb plays like trying to get into the end zone on his own (headfirst, leading to a fumble and an injury) instead of simply sliding and coming back for the next play? Good coaching fixes these types of things.

Regardless of the cost, Notre Dame can and will jettison CW if they desire it. The buyout is not that big of a deal as ND has shown time and again that it has deep pockets. CW is now a mere few games above .500 for his career (35-24 if memory serves me correctly). That is just not good enough. Sure, he's a great person and a great recruiter. But, I firmly believe ND needs to hire someone who has won something significant (Superbowl or National Championship...the latter being the most desirable)...someone who has been to the top of the mountain and knows how to get there. Yes, CW has three Superbowl rings...as a coordinator. Not a head coach. BIG difference.

Navy was better coached, played with much better enthusiasm and discipline, wanted it more, and was loose and confident. Hats off to the Middies, they have begun to close the gap on ND by having superior coaching and attitude compared to our rather mediocre of both.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I think its all a mute point now.

It's moot, not mute.

 

[Junkhead]

I went to the game (my first one!) and it was less about Navy beating us as Notre Dame allowing them to play their game and then ND beating themselves. Navy played clean, mistake free football and Notre Dame kept giving them chances to win. We didn't even have our head in the game until it was 14-0, and from then out it was a fight. A fight in which we continually tried to mount with one hand tied behind our backs. You simply cannot turn the ball over three times and expect to beat good teams, and Navy is disciplined enough to be good. They do what they do very well and wait to see if it's enough or they'll get you to make mistakes and beat yourself. We did.

Watching the game live, I can tell you no one on the defense had a clue as to how to defend the option. It was literally like they were seeing it for the first time. Sure, you have to watch the fullback up the middle. However, the whole point is to play smart, sound assignment football. You must account for the pitchman on the outside and continue to force the QB to either keep it, or push him to the center of the defense where you have help. We wouldn't do this on many downs, and as a result, a Navy skill position player would be sprinting down the sideline for a big gain. Ridiculous. Notre Dame's current talent is faster, bigger and stronger than Navy's (and usually is) and yet we got pushed around at the point of attack.

I think Notre Dame was seriously looking past Navy to either Pitt, someone else, or just didn't think anything more than showing up was required. I don't know why when this Navy team has proven itself to be able to at least mount a good fight (see Ohio State game). Ultimately, the coaching is where the issues lie...and not just Charlie. Why were there no adjustments by the defensive staff? Where was the dedication to getting the defense ready to play the option? Why is Jimmy still making dumb plays like trying to get into the end zone on his own (headfirst, leading to a fumble and an injury) instead of simply sliding and coming back for the next play? Good coaching fixes these types of things.

Regardless of the cost, Notre Dame can and will jettison CW if they desire it. The buyout is not that big of a deal as ND has shown time and again that it has deep pockets. CW is now a mere few games above .500 for his career (35-24 if memory serves me correctly). That is just not good enough. Sure, he's a great person and a great recruiter. But, I firmly believe ND needs to hire someone who has won something significant (Superbowl or National Championship...the latter being the most desirable)...someone who has been to the top of the mountain and knows how to get there. Yes, CW has three Superbowl rings...as a coordinator. Not a head coach. BIG difference.

Navy was better coached, played with much better enthusiasm and discipline, wanted it more, and was loose and confident. Hats off to the Middies, they have begun to close the gap on ND by having superior coaching and attitude compared to our rather mediocre of both.

We were outcoached and outhustled. Whether that is on the coach or the players is still being debated. I tend to agree with you. Nice well thought out post.

 

[johnnykillz]

I am numb. Not angry, which I guess worries me. I did not follow ND football very closely after graduation in 1997. I knew our record, knew the players, it just wasn't inspiring football. 2005 arrived. Shark making catches out of his ass. Brady Quinn. I found IE and dived in headfirst. I've always loved my team, and supported my team, and always will. Too many of these kinds of losses hurt my heart.

Same here man. I'm numb and don't feel like posting. My dad's wife and I had bad words since she thought it was funny pulling for Navy while we were cutting up deer meat from a successful deer hunt. (Sorry Neutered!) I said things to her I thought I couldn't say. Partially since I was sponsored by Bud Light, and partially since my Irish were losing...

I like ND growing up but kept them at distance. Then my Irish loving granddad passed in 2004. Then came along Quinn and the bunch. Then came the love rekindled, partially in search of those lasting memories with my granddad against Seminoles and Buffaloes and lazy Saturdays of watching him ready to break the TV and me yelling to support the man.

But now. Now I'm numb. I'm depressed. But I'm still an ND fan. Sometimes life hands you lemons, and sometimes we plant our own lemon trees fellas. We should have won that game. We dropped our opportunity. We are the better team. I swear or should I be struck dead.

 

[Master Guns]

Listen... I'm getting sick and tired of people saying he isn't developing people. The above mentioned players are good. Hell, they are great. And CW has done EVERYTHING to get this team to be a TEAM! Look at the emotion these kids show at the end of games. They believe they can win. They love him... they love team. Vs the Davieham era, these kids finally give a shit and you want to bust that up.

If you say I don't post anything with logic... what the hell are you smoking. I want some. Now.

PERFECT! Thanks for staying the course!

 

[Master Guns]

We all are a little hurt right now, so I will take this as typing pains. What we are is inconsistent, not to mention Clausen looked out of whack the whole game, he was 2 seconds off on every pass. One thing and one thing only, NAVY PLAYED THERE HEARTS OUT. They were swarming the ball where ever it went, it’s like they new every play before we called it. Navy's Triple Option killed our YOUNG D. Don't tell me you knew who had the ball after they hiked it; the camera was tricked about every play. Don't come on here and tell us were going to lose games, there's no place for that Sh*t as ND fans and dang gonit keep your head up, it’s embarrassing!

The Irish can learn a great lesson from the Mids. Play with all your heart and hit them until they can't get up or don't want to get up.

 

[fitz_bu47]

I'm sorry fellas, but some of you are ridiculous and it is wearing me out. All this We are ND, and this isn't good enough crap is complete garbage, and shows you don't know what the hell you are talking about. In this day and age the parody in college football is insane, look at the scoreboard every weekend and there are several "upsets." On any given Saturday, anyone can beat anyone, if you miss out on putting points on the board like we did w/ the fumble and missed field goals and not punching it in on fourth and goal, YOU WILL GET BEAT!! It does not matter that WE ARE ND, and it isn't Charlie's fault. I realize we all want ND to be an elite program again and consistently be in the BCS discussion, and that's where I think Charlie is taking us, but thinking that the coach should be canned after every loss is totally absurd, and I am getting really tired of it. Charlie is a good man for the job, are there better out there? Maybe, but we don't know, and short of T.D. Jesus coming out of retirement I am not willing to throw away what the program is becoming b/c we are so arrogant to believe that ND should never lose a game.

 

[chyrspchuck]

Yes I did honestly believe Navy would not only give ND a tough go, I believed that they would pull out a victory.

To go on the record: ND will lose to Pitt, have a tough game at UConn - but win, and will lose to Stanford.

How many people said that it would be a 10-2 or 9-3 season..... especially with the schedule. It just isn't going to happen now or ever with this coach.

This comment makes you look stupid......IT ALREADY HAPPENED

 

[jmurphy75]

I'm sorry fellas, but some of you are ridiculous and it is wearing me out. All this We are ND, and this isn't good enough crap is complete garbage, and shows you don't know what the hell you are talking about. In this day and age the parody in college football is insane, look at the scoreboard every weekend and there are several "upsets." On any given Saturday, anyone can beat anyone, if you miss out on putting points on the board like we did w/ the fumble and missed field goals and not punching it in on fourth and goal, YOU WILL GET BEAT!! It does not matter that WE ARE ND, and it isn't Charlie's fault. I realize we all want ND to be an elite program again and consistently be in the BCS discussion, and that's where I think Charlie is taking us, but thinking that the coach should be canned after every loss is totally absurd, and I am getting really tired of it. Charlie is a good man for the job, are there better out there? Maybe, but we don't know, and short of T.D. Jesus coming out of retirement I am not willing to throw away what the program is becoming b/c we are so arrogant to believe that ND should never lose a game.

Great post, Amen brother

 

[chyrspchuck]

I'm sorry fellas, but some of you are ridiculous and it is wearing me out. All this We are ND, and this isn't good enough crap is complete garbage, and shows you don't know what the hell you are talking about. In this day and age the parody in college football is insane, look at the scoreboard every weekend and there are several "upsets." On any given Saturday, anyone can beat anyone, if you miss out on putting points on the board like we did w/ the fumble and missed field goals and not punching it in on fourth and goal, YOU WILL GET BEAT!! It does not matter that WE ARE ND, and it isn't Charlie's fault. I realize we all want ND to be an elite program again and consistently be in the BCS discussion, and that's where I think Charlie is taking us, but thinking that the coach should be canned after every loss is totally absurd, and I am getting really tired of it. Charlie is a good man for the job, are there better out there? Maybe, but we don't know, and short of T.D. Jesus coming out of retirement I am not willing to throw away what the program is becoming b/c we are so arrogant to believe that ND should never lose a game.

I knew I liked you when I saw you were from KC (originally from there), I couldn't agree more, mistakes on the field are not always the coaches fault, and in this instance I think there is parody in college football. Any given Saturday.

 

[chyrspchuck]

I believe as with half of us, ND is growing up before our eyes, let's not fire the guy for having 4 winning seasons in 5 years. Yeah, yeah we know you all ARE ND and we are too, we are just realistic and not living in a day and age where we run option up and down the field on our opponents who are inferior.

 

[Mjrosko]

It's fucking Navy. I'm embarassed. What the hell was the gameplan for our offense? Apparently we aren't tough enough to run the ball against inferior opponent, and we aren't good enough to out cute them either. Charlie laid an egg. Tenuta laid an egg. Did you see their line splits? It doesn't take long to figure out that we should have had a man head up on the ball when your being gashed for 11+ yards a pop by a fullback. Our defense was much more sound with Corwin as the DC, even in 2007 when they were on the field for 40+ minutes a game.

Is there any other coaches in the NCAA doing less with more than Weis? 4/5 star players at basically every position, and we can score a point in the first half. I don't give a flying you-know-what how well he recruits, because he can't do anything with the talent. Teams have his offense figured out, and it takes Clausen, Tate, Floyd and Rudolph to pull out wins from shitty teams that shouldn't even be on the same field as us.

Our team is soft and its a reflection of our head coach. Too much time on X's and O's and not enough fundamentals. I firmly believe that if this team was coached by anyone competent, we'd be (at worst) one loss team at this point in the season. Meyer, Saban, Richt, Kelly. We need a home run hire immediately, or else I fear the downward spiral of the past 15 will exponentially continue.

 

[dshans]

... I think there is parody in college football.

The parody Saturday was the game as played and coached by ND.

The academies are a subset of Division I football when it comes to achieving parity with schools that are larger and/or have less stringent academic and admissions standards. Then there's the rigid social life and a five year hitch in the service as a graduation present.

The offense put up impressive numbers in the passing game. Mistakes and some questionable play calling were harmful. The defensive "scheme" (and much of the play) was dismal and devastating. Clausen, et al., should have had more opportunities to work their magic and put points on the board.

This was a game we should not have lost.







[Full power to the shields, Scotty!]

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

The parody Saturday was the game as played and coached by ND.

The academies are a subset of Division I football when it comes to achieving parity with schools that are larger and/or have less stringent academic and admissions standards. Then there's the rigid social life and a five year hitch in the service as a graduation present.

The offense put up impressive numbers in the passing game. Mistakes and some questionable play calling were harmful. The defensive "scheme" (and much of the play) was dismal and devastating. Clausen, et al., should have had more opportunities to work their magic and put points on the board.

This was a game we should not have lost.







[Full power to the shields, Scotty!]

You are DA MAN my friend. No bromance involved.

Who just touched me?

 

[Guest]

I am fine with keeping Weis around, as long as other changes are made.

Sticking with one defensive scheme, for example, has to be a priority. ND has switched from 4-3 to 3-4 back to 2 versions of the 4-3 since Weis has been here. Conversely, the offense has remained consistent. That is part of the defensive problems.

Also I think someone on a local radio station made a good point. Teams with inferior talent win when they play with discipline and the players fit their scheme. ND has too many different philosophies going on on the defense, and the players are from different schemes.

For example, the CBs are prototypical pro set types. That is fine as long as you run pro defense with it. The defensive lineman are all smallish types, conversions from other positions. We badly need real DTs and DEs, and need to recruit 4-3 LBs and less tweeners for the 3-4 like Kerry Neal.

If we do this and keep Weis another year or two, then I think fans may live with it. But the rumblings won't stop as long as ND loses to the likes of Navy, Stanford, Syracuse, etc..

 

[NDMontana]

Listen... I'm getting sick and tired of people saying he isn't developing people. The above mentioned players are good. Hell, they are great. And CW has done EVERYTHING to get this team to be a TEAM! Look at the emotion these kids show at the end of games. They believe they can win. They love him... they love team. Vs the Davieham era, these kids finally give a shit and you want to bust that up.

If you say I don't post anything with logic... what the hell are you smoking. I want some. Now.

The maturation that occurs, physically and emoitionally, probably accounts for a large part of the improvement of certain players.

Logic...."look at these emotions these kids play with AT THE END OF GAMES!!". Yeah, it's fucking fantastic; it would be even better if their coach had them inspired to play for an entire game vs. being inspired for the last four minutes. Coaches are supposed to motivate and apparently Charlie Weis is a fantastic motivator when there are four minutes left in the game.

Logic..."these kids finally give a shit". Read any publication that has a reporter dedicated to covering this team and you'll find that the three most common adjectives used this year have been: disinterested, dispirited and lethargic. Seriously, is Charlie Weis your dad or something? Are all of these players related to you in some way?

A vast majority of fans--and this site doesn't represent the vast majority but even some here agree--would not, under any circumstances, say that this team plays inspired football.