Redshirt Frosh QBs; BCS Musing

[Irish Jacky]

Can't help comparing Mariota, Manziel and Golson through the 10th week.

I rank them 1) Mariota, 2) Johnny Football, 3) Everett.

Each of them is a great player with virtually unlimited upward potential. Nevertheless, I go with Mariota for his cool efficiency and field vision. Johnny Football is terrific but I don't see how he stays out of a full body cast at some point during the next three years. Everett has all the physical skills (although is limited by height especially when compared to Mariota) but seems way behind in the mental aspects of the position. I am most concerned about Everett maintaining his cool when things get rough. He sure seems to have come a long way in that department so far this year but I don't think the final report on him is in by a long shot. Mariota is very Montana-like and seems very calm and deliberate.

As far as the BC game goes, it was never in doubt but we didn't get any style points for the win. Oregon and KSU both stomped their opponents. Even though the Bama loss helps all three teams, we're in a worse position relative to Oregon and KSU today than we were last Sunday. Neither of those teams has s#it the bed this year like we did against Pitt, and that leaves a very bad smell. We also have a very poor offensive production relative to those two teams. I think it's very possible that either Stanford or Oregon State will upset Oregon. K State also has to play Texas---and they are still Texas. If we run the table I'd say our chances of getting to the BCS championship game are @ 50/50.

 

[NewBrunswickIrish]

Can't help comparing Mariota, Manziel and Golson through the 10th week.

I rank them 1) Mariota, 2) Johnny Football, 3) Everett.

Each of them is a great player with virtually unlimited upward potential. Nevertheless, I go with Mariota for his cool efficiency and field vision. Johnny Football is terrific but I don't see how he stays out of a full body cast at some point during the next three years. Everett has all the physical skills (although is limited by height especially when compared to Mariota) but seems way behind in the mental aspects of the position. I am most concerned about Everett maintaining his cool when things get rough. He sure seems to have come a long way in that department so far this year but I don't think the final report on him is in by a long shot. Mariota is very Montana-like and seems very calm and deliberate.

As far as the BC game goes, it was never in doubt but we didn't get any style points for the win. Oregon and KSU both stomped their opponents. Even though the Bama loss helps all three teams, we're in a worse position relative to Oregon and KSU today than we were last Sunday. Neither of those teams has s#it the bed this year like we did against Pitt, and that leaves a very bad smell. We also have a very poor offensive production relative to those two teams. I think it's very possible that either Stanford or Oregon State will upset Oregon. K State also has to play Texas---and they are still Texas. If we run the table I'd say our chances of getting to the BCS championship game are @ 50/50.

I would have to have Manziel first just because he is his whole teams offence and has actually played good defenses so far. Mariota would probably be the best redshirt freshman in any other year but I just don't think he is as important to his team as Manziel. In my opinion Manziel should probably be #2 in heisman votes behind Klein right now. It will be fun to watch these 3 qbs grow as none of them seem to be stereotypical NFL qbs so they could all stay for 4 years.

 

[ndfi78]

1.) Manizel
2.) Mariota












100.) Golson

I'm sorry but Golson is not even in the same conversation as the other two right now.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

1.) Manizel
2.) Mariota

100.) Golson

I'm sorry but Golson is not even in the same conversation as the other two right now.

Why not? He's undefeated. Its about wins. The only stat that really matters.

 

[irishog77]

Why not? He's undefeated. Its about wins. The only stat that really matters.

Then Kellen Moore should have probably picked up a statue or two.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Then Kellen Moore should have probably picked up a statue or two.

True. He had an outstanding career. Did everything that was needed of him

 

[irishog77]

Yes.

But nobody was really talking him up as one of the best QB's in the country. Obviously winning is important, but winning isn't the only stat that defines how great a QB (or any player) is.

 

[ickythump1225]

Can't help comparing Mariota, Manziel and Golson through the 10th week.

I rank them 1) Mariota, 2) Johnny Football, 3) Everett.

Each of them is a great player with virtually unlimited upward potential. Nevertheless, I go with Mariota for his cool efficiency and field vision. Johnny Football is terrific but I don't see how he stays out of a full body cast at some point during the next three years. Everett has all the physical skills (although is limited by height especially when compared to Mariota) but seems way behind in the mental aspects of the position. I am most concerned about Everett maintaining his cool when things get rough. He sure seems to have come a long way in that department so far this year but I don't think the final report on him is in by a long shot. Mariota is very Montana-like and seems very calm and deliberate.

As far as the BC game goes, it was never in doubt but we didn't get any style points for the win. Oregon and KSU both stomped their opponents. Even though the Bama loss helps all three teams, we're in a worse position relative to Oregon and KSU today than we were last Sunday. Neither of those teams has s#it the bed this year like we did against Pitt, and that leaves a very bad smell. We also have a very poor offensive production relative to those two teams. I think it's very possible that either Stanford or Oregon State will upset Oregon. K State also has to play Texas---and they are still Texas. If we run the table I'd say our chances of getting to the BCS championship game are @ 50/50.

Yes KSU stomped the mighty TCU by 13 points.

 

[johnnykillz]

Yes KSU stomped the mighty TCU by 13 points.

Compared to our lowly 15 point margin win...

 

[ickythump1225]

As for the point of the OP I would take Johnny Football seven days a week and twice on Saturday over any QB in college right now. He is Texas A&M, he's the heart and soul of that team. Mariota is a good QB but I get the feeling that he's just a cog in a machine and if he got hurt the Nike U Machine would keep rolling. I'm just not sure he could take a whole program on his shoulders and lead them to the same place Manziel has.

As for Everett he's just not at that level yet. He's progressing and his ceiling in the college game is sky high. He's got the arm, he's got the feet, and sometimes he has mental aspect. Whenever he can put it all together consistently he'll be a force.

 

[ickythump1225]

Compared to our lowly 15 point margin win...

I swear the Pitt game has just scarred us as a fan base for life. We've started projecting all of these superlatives unto the other teams in the race and looking for anyway to downplay, nitpick, and poo-poo our team's performance. KSU won by 13, but the game was never really in doubt. We won by 15 and the game was never in doubt. I'd say we both did what we needed to do and survived another Saturday.

 

[BGIF]

1.) Manizel
2.) Mariota












100.) Golson

I'm sorry but Golson is not even in the same conversation as the other two right now.

Actually Golson is way up at #74 in Passing Eff and #76 in Total Offense.

Manziel is #25 and 2 respectively while Mariota is #1 and 40.

Not as bad as 100 but close.

Neither the Oregon nor A&M offense seem to sputter with the frequency that ND's does.

 

[kmoose]

I couldn't tell about A&M, but I'd be willing to bet that most of Oregon's football players would fail a Freshman Orientation class, at ND. Oregon is NOT about education!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Why not? He's undefeated. Its about wins. The only stat that really matters.

Explain to me why Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino.

 

[BGIF]

Yes KSU stomped the mighty TCU by 13 points.

Whoa!

"Not so fast my friend"

TCU was highly ranked when Casey Pachall was playing. He was the top ranked QB but went down for the season with an injury in their 4th game. His replacement Boykin is ranked in the QB stats 70 some slots lower than Pachall was. TCU is 2-4 since Pachall was injured. He was their offense and they've struggled and steadily declined in the rankings since then.

TCU hasn't been "mighty" for the past 6 weeks that's over half the season.

 

[BGIF]

Why not? He's undefeated. Its about wins. The only stat that really matters.

Ahem, HCTI is that you?

Am I hearing an echo from last season?

 

[TDHeysus]

I'm sorry but Golson is not even in the same conversation as the other two right now.

I think this is a fair statement.

Actually Golson is way up at #74 in Passing Eff and #76 in Total Offense.

Manziel is #25 and 2 respectively while Mariota is #1 and 40.

Not as bad as 100 but close.

Neither the Oregon nor A&M offense seem to sputter with the frequency that ND's does.

I cant imagine Manziel or Mariota producing that much more offense than they already do, they seemed to have topped out. Whereas Golson has much more room to improve, as the offensive rankings suggest.

 

[ickythump1225]

Whoa!

"Not so fast my friend"

TCU was highly ranked when Casey Pachall was playing. He was the top ranked QB but went down for the season with an injury in their 4th game. His replacement Boykin is ranked in the QB stats 70 some slots lower than Pachall was. TCU is 2-4 since Pachall was injured. He was their offense and they've struggled and steadily declined in the rankings since then.

TCU hasn't been "mighty" for the past 6 weeks that's over half the season.

I can't tell if you caught the sarcasm in my post and was being sarcastic back or if you missed my sarcasm. For what it's worth I was being sarcastic when I called TCU "mighty" because another poster had said KSU "stomped" their opponent. I was just sarcastically making the point that a 13 point win over TCU isn't exactly a "stomping."

 

[Irish YJ]

Johnny Football is complete. He's the brain and heart of TAMU. He's taken the team on his back and flat out performs. Mariota is a component to a balls out machine. Great talent, great manager of the playbook and the game. He has a polished O and refined system at his disposal. EG, a million miles to go. Athletic, but no where near as refined as the other two. He's coming along, but just not in the same sentence right now. Yes wins are what it's all about, but if we are talking about QB talent, or straight O performance,,,,,, EG has the tools, but light years away in other aspects.

Before all the blind faith jump on this post, I will say I love me some EG. I'm just not willing to ignore fact and data, nor the straight eye test.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Explain to me why Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino.

I'd rather have a championship ring than tons of yard and TDs and no ring.

 

[military_irish]

EG may not be on the level of the other two QB's mentioned but without him, ND would not be undefeated. (Along with help from Tommy at times)

 

[Irish YJ]

EG may not be on the level of the other two QB's mentioned but without him, ND would not be undefeated. (Along with help from Tommy at times)

No argument from me whatsoever. He is certainly a major component to our success although I credit the front 7 with the majority. Takes a village to be 10-0!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I'd rather have a championship ring than tons of yard and TDs and no ring.

Do you think football is an individual sport or a team sport? You're giving Golson credit for what Te'o, Tuitt, Nix, KLM, Jackson, Shembo, and Motta have done.

 

[stlnd01]

I couldn't tell about A&M, but I'd be willing to bet that most of Oregon's football players would fail a Freshman Orientation class, at ND. Oregon is NOT about education!

Unfortunately that has nothing whatsoever to do with this conversation.

As for the question at hand:

Manziel
Mariota
Golson

No slight on Everett, and we're not undefeated without him. But he's still on training wheels and the other two just aren't.

Will be very interesting to see how they rank in three years. I think they'll all win a lot of football games between now and then.

 

[ryno 24]

So I am really impressed by the other two QBs but I will give this to Golson. He played scout team all of last year and was not expected to start this year. He was just too talented to not start this year. Mariotta plays in a very simple that is focused on running the football. He also was able to learn a lot since I do not believe he was on Scout team last year. Jonny Manziel is a freak and just knows football. And I could see Golson if he improves looking like Manziel next year.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Do you think football is an individual sport or a team sport? You're giving Golson credit for what Te'o, Tuitt, Nix, KLM, Jackson, Shembo, and Motta have done.

I get what you're saying, but there are games we wouldn't have won without Golson too. It is certainly a team sport, that's why I like wins over stats.

 

[BroMontana]

I like Golson ALOT. But I have to say that when I watch Mariota, I have to REMIND myself that he is a freshman. Even if he is a system QB, I respect his coolness out there on the field in running that system. As a redshirt freshman he's seen it for almost 2 yrs now, but he appears to be running it better than any other "Blur" offense QB we've seen in the past few yrs. Hits on him might be, "Oh Oregon only has 3 plays" but BK has said in the media that he wants his offense to be plug and go. The ND offense should be faster and simplistic as well but our QB's haven't been good enough or at least haven't been able to grasp the concept in 3 years. We can't even get our plays off half the time...so from that angle all three of these QB's are supposed to be running no huddle spreads and only 2 of them seems to be able to get it...and neither plays for ND.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Golson has the highest upside because of his arm strength, but as others have said... it's not even a contest at this point their respective careers.

Oh, and Manziel >>> Mariota.

 

[ryno 24]

So ND's and A&M's are the most similar out of the three. But right now BKs offense is becoming more like a pro system which is harder to make reads in and is also harder to fit balls into. So if we continue to run this offense GK could be perfect (though I am still believing that Golson should still be the starter until he is no longer winning) but this not as much of a spread system as some would like to think

 

[NDinTEXAS]

I couldn't tell about A&M, but I'd be willing to bet that most of Oregon's football players would fail a Freshman Orientation class, at ND. Oregon is NOT about education!

aTm is very high on there education and was another reason why most of Texas was scratching there head when they joined the SEC.

I have to put Johnny Football at the top here the passes he was making were incredibly accurate. That pass that he threw down the sidelines to swoop, fit it into eye of a needle, at a angle was awesome!!

Just on a side note did any of you see that the AP has Alabama at #4 come on???? Right now Georgia should be #4 hands down. The AP is going to continue to kiss Alabama's a@#.