Question about JUCO transfers

[NDame77]

Why doesn't Notre Dame allow them? And also, do you think the fact that we don't do it is outdated? Just wondering...

 

[Allocco 121975]

The Majority of them cannot meet the academic standards.

 

[BGIF]

Why doesn't Notre Dame allow them? And also, do you think the fact that we don't do it is outdated? Just wondering...

I posted a long explanation about a week ago. ND does accept JUCOs that are academically qualified to compete in the rigorous ND academic environment.

As Allocco noted the short answer is most are not qualified. That's why most went the JUCO route. Two year of taking remedial courses to get to be the equivalent of a HS senior still doesn't prepare most for ND academic success and they've already burned two years of eligibility.

Unlike the SEC and others, ND admits students on the basis that they can compete in the classroom and will earn a degree in 4 years.

 

[jason_h537]

ND allows JC transfers but there is a reason these guys are at a JC and not at ND already which is why it is so rare to see them on the team

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Alabama opens camp having already passed 1 test - Yahoo! Sports

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. (AP) -- Quarterback AJ McCarron insists Alabama turned its focus to the 2012 season long before opening preseason camp on Friday.

Apparently, coach Nick Saban gives the Crimson Tide a little bonus time to his normal 24-hour limit for celebrations when the victory comes in the national championship game. Just a little.

''I think we had maybe 72 hours and then we were back to, 'This team hasn't done anything,''' McCarron said. ''Not a whole lot of celebration around here. It doesn't matter how many you win. Like coach says, 'It's not about what you did in the past, it's what you're doing right now.' That's all anybody cares about.''

Right now, the Crimson Tide is preparing for the Sept. 1 opener with Michigan and seeking replacements for four first-round NFL draft picks and seven defensive starters. Alabama started camp with separate practices for veterans and newcomers, but the players had already aced one big test.

They recently went through the annual physical test including bench-pressing and a series of sprints. Those who passed got a little break before the preseason grind started.

''This is probably the best test results that we've ever gotten from our performance in terms of quality performance on the test,'' Saban said.

He takes that as evidence that the players put in the work during the summer to get ready for camp so they're not lagging behind in the brutal August heat. Further proof came when defensive tackle Jesse Williams, who started at end last season, bench-pressed 600 pounds on July 26.

''That says a lot about how hard this team's working,'' Alabama safety Robert Lester said.

There's plenty remaining to do for a team considered among the preseason favorites nationally once again. Alabama must replace Top 10 picks in tailback Trent Richardson and safety Mark Barron, All-American linebackers Dont'a Hightower and Courtney Upshaw and both starting cornerbacks.

Plus, the transfer of quarterback Phillip Sims to Virginia leaves the Tide with only redshirt freshman Phillip Ely and freshman Alec Morris vying for the role as McCarron's backup.

The health of tailback Eddie Lacy, Richardson's likely successor, is one issue that apparently didn't linger into camp.

Lacy sat out the spring after undergoing surgery to repair a turf toe injury.

''He doesn't have any issues or problems,'' Saban said. ''He went through this summer and worked through the rehab and worked his way up to what everybody else was doing in the summer conditioning program.

''He hasn't done a lot of cutting. That will be the next test. He took every rep that he was supposed to take in practice today and didn't seem to have an issue.''

That position sums up Alabama's situation even where there are apparent voids thanks to Saban's string of highly rated recruiting hauls. Lacy's backups include a pair of five-star recruits in freshman T.J. Yeldon - who starred in the spring game after enrolling early - and redshirt freshman Dee Hart. Running back Blake Sims is logging some snaps at quarterback, too.

Barron's backups Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Vinnie Sunseri return. Saban also brought in junior college cornerbacks Deion Belue and Travell Dixon to compete with players like Dee Milliner, who started at corner as a freshman and was the fifth defensive back last season.

''We don't look at it like, 'Mark Barron's gone. Dont'a Hightower's gone. 'We need to replace these guys,''' Lester said. ''We look at it as, whoever's capable of filling those spots and ready to play, they're going to go out there and play. The talent's there.

''Coach Saban has recruited great recruiting classes, so we're not worried about the talent. We just want to play team ball and make sure they buy into the program and can contribute to a win on defense.''

Must be nice to have a farm system...

 

[DyedBlue]

Alabama Signees from 2008-2012

Alabama Signees from 2008-2012

from ESPN Recruiting Nation:

2008 - 32
2009 - 28
2010 - 29
2011 - 25
2012 - 26

Total - 140 in 5 years. How can you recruit 140 players against an 85 limit including red shirts w/o having an organized effort to run off players who don't show promise immediately. How can they be adequate in APR?

It will be interesting to see how this changes with the SEC's new rule limiting scholarships to 25/year or will there be another end run around the rules?

But 25/year is still 125 over five years so 40 players must disappear to stay at 85 or less.

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The SEC rule is still less restrictive than the Big Ten, which allows teams to sign three players more than the number of spots available under the NCAA total limit of 85 scholarships. The SEC never considered going that far. Just creating a 25-player cap was met with strong resistance by SEC coaches, particularly by Alabama's Nick Saban and Auburn's Gene Chizik.

 

[irishtrain]

Never going to happen and if it does it will be one of the signs that somebody decided to win again. People forget that in the 40's Notre Dame lead the college football world in poaching other schools players. By the way all this rhetoric about Ala isnt going to change the fact that Saban knows the system works it and is winning, you must understand that his football team is there for one reason-entertain and win football games. Its pro football plain and simple. A college education is just a bull$#@! smokescreen.

 

[ACamp1900]

Never going to happen and if it does it will be one of the signs that somebody decided to win again.

I have been in this camp for a while now.

 

[anarin]

from ESPN Recruiting Nation:

2008 - 32
2009 - 28
2010 - 29
2011 - 25
2012 - 26

Total - 140 in 5 years. How can you recruit 140 players against an 85 limit including red shirts w/o having an organized effort to run off players who don't show promise immediately. How can they be adequate in APR?

It will be interesting to see how this changes with the SEC's new rule limiting scholarships to 25/year or will there be another end run around the rules?

But 25/year is still 125 over five years so 40 players must disappear to stay at 85 or less.

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The SEC rule is still less restrictive than the Big Ten, which allows teams to sign three players more than the number of spots available under the NCAA total limit of 85 scholarships. The SEC never considered going that far. Just creating a 25-player cap was met with strong resistance by SEC coaches, particularly by Alabama's Nick Saban and Auburn's Gene Chizik.

Where did you learn to count? Everyone knows that 28 + 29 + 25 + 26 = 85

 

[chubler]

just wondering: where would one find a full list of alabama commits and what happened to them (scholarship pulled, grayshirt, "medical" scholarship, stayed on the team and started x years kind of stuff)?
those number would be quite interesting.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

just wondering: where would one find a full list of alabama commits and what happened to them (scholarship pulled, grayshirt, "medical" scholarship, stayed on the team and started x years kind of stuff)?
those number would be quite interesting.

I stumbled across this website today.... Very informative, but you have to type stuff in in order to get info. Can be a hassle. Let me know how it works out.

Google

 

[BGIF]

Never going to happen and if it does it will be one of the signs that somebody decided to win again.

You want cheese with that whine? You know damn well it's impractical.

ND has an average Student Body SAT score of approximately 1350 (2 parts), placed in the Top 5% of their HS graduating class, and graduate at a rate of about 98%. Unlike Auburn, ND doesn't graduate a functional illiterate.

Feel free to explain how a JUCO who couldn't pass the minimum requirements to get into a Div 1 college in the first place can now compete in the Classroom with the ND Student Body much less compete in the Classroom and on the Field.

The vast majority go the JUCO route because of deficient HS skills. And while ND Freshman and Sophomores are taking a tough academic load to prepare them for their upperclass years most JUCOs athetes are taking remedial HS courses to get eligible for college.

So how do they compete in the ND classroom to STAY eligible? They'd be gone in semester.

As you already know but some readers may not, ND doesn't have Kinesiology, Parks and Recreation Management, or the other "cake" majors where the Wolverines, Trojans, and Tide "hide" players to keep them eligible. Google Harbaugh's scorching comments on UM athletic academics, if you've forgotten.

People forget that in the 40's Notre Dame lead the college football world in poaching other schools players. ...

More BS!

Leahy came to ND in 1941 after two years as a head coach at BC. I recall reading that a prime time Eagle player transferred to follow his former coach. The NCAA didn't have much in the way of regulations in 1941, certainly nothing like the past 25 years. ND had quite a bit of talent assembled under Layden who had a .770 Winning Percentage which was higher than Holtz achieved at ND. Leahy scrapped the Rockne Box and installed a modified T formation and made Angelo Bertelii, a "slow halfback" into a Heisman QB.

Then there was that thing called World War II where many colleges shutdown their football program due to lack of manpower. Like many of his players, Leahy also went off to war, to the Pacific Theater as a Navy Officer. After WWII many former ND players who had gone to war returned home. Under the G.I. Bill veterans could go where they wanted to go. They didn't have to sit out a year under today's NCAA Transfer Rules. Some that had started college eslewhere in '41 - '44 ended up at ND in '46. 21 or 24 year old grown men making a lifetime decision wtih a different set of parameter than today's 18 year olds. A lot of people wanted to play for Leahy at ND BEFORE he went 4 years without a loss.

ND also had a different academic environment then, no 1350 SAT Student Body. There also was no NCAA Sliding GPA/Test Score and Required Core Courses either.