Quarterback Situation

SLCIRISH · Feb 12, 2011

Rees reminds me of Montana. Not a strong arm, not overwhelming stats, but can find the open man. Wins ball games. Im just saying...

Rees beat 3 very fast teams (Utah, USC, Miami), with 3 very different styles of defense.

Let me say this one time, regardless of his stats, he beat USC, in LA, and that had not happened in a long while.

He got better as the season progressed, his play against Miami, was his best performance of the season.

Having said that, in the spread the most important play is the zone read, whoever can run that play the best will have a great shot.

DillonHall · Feb 12, 2011

Irish666 said:
Rees reminds me of Montana. Not a strong arm, not overwhelming stats, but can find the open man. Wins ball games. Im just saying...

Rees beat 3 very fast teams (Utah, USC, Miami), with 3 very different styles of defense.

Let me say this one time, regardless of his stats, he beat USC, in LA, and that had not happened in a long while.

He got better as the season progressed, his play against Miami, was his best performance of the season.

Having said that, in the spread the most important play is the zone read, whoever can run that play the best will have a great shot.

We beat USC despite Rees' poor performance. He almost single-handedly lost us a game that we should've won much more handily. Also, there's no proof that he got better as the year went on just because he performed well in the last game of the season against a team undergoing a coaching change. Let's not do this common thing where fans/experts on TV give credit to QBs for wins in spite of how they actually played.

SLCIRISH · Feb 12, 2011

Another point is look at the quanity of injuries BK QB's have had, the more that are on the depth chart the better.

SLCIRISH · Feb 12, 2011

I dont think Clausen or Brady beat USC.

SLCIRISH · Feb 12, 2011

I think the most important stat in any sports is wins.

InKellyITrust · Feb 12, 2011

Don't see Rees running the zone read very effectively.

DillonHall · Feb 12, 2011

Irish666 said:
I think the most important stat in any sports is wins.

Just give up the argument, dude. The wins in the last four games of the season were much more largely due to an emphasis on the running game and a dominating defense.

Riddickulous · Feb 12, 2011

DillonHall said:
Just give up the argument, dude. The wins in the last four games of the season were much more largely due to an emphasis on the running game and a dominating defense.

This is correct.

Say what you will about Tommy Rees, but if he doesn't start, at least we know that we have a capable backup.

Mirer3Powlus · Feb 12, 2011

Irish666 said:
I think the most important stat in any sports is wins.

Jimmy Clausen had a losing record in his time at Notre Dame and went .500 in his stellar junior season. Are you saying that he's a bad quarterback?

SLCIRISH · Feb 12, 2011

Im just stating facts, Rees, won the games he started. If a starting pitcher in baseball wins 6-5, isnt it a win? Clausen was a great QB, but he wouldnt fit in BK system, and if he had eligibility, would he be the starter?
Lets give Rees alot more credit, he still managed those games and made plays when he had to. He gave the defense a chance by not giving a grip of short fields and controlling the ball, just what the coaches asked.

SLCIRISH · Feb 12, 2011

I dont think will Reese will be the starter, I just think the kid deserves more credit, if he was throwing interception after interception, maybe ND doesnt recuit like they did?

DillonHall · Feb 12, 2011

Irish666 said:
Im just stating facts, Rees, won the games he started. If a starting pitcher in baseball wins 6-5, isnt it a win? Clausen was a great QB, but he wouldnt fit in BK system, and if he had eligibility, would he be the starter?
Lets give Rees alot more credit, he still managed those games and made plays when he had to. He gave the defense a chance by not giving a grip of short fields and controlling the ball, just what the coaches asked.

You're right, Rees made some very nice throws for TDs and played well considering he was a freshman.

And yes, Jimmy Clausen would be the starter at ND in any system. LOL

Riddickulous · Feb 12, 2011

DillonHall said:
You're right, Rees made some very nice throws for TDs and played well considering he was a freshman.

And yes, Jimmy Clausen would be the starter at ND in any system. LOL

The option offense?

Veer option · Feb 12, 2011

Riddickulous said:
The option offense?

Except that one.

DillonHall · Feb 12, 2011

Riddickulous said:
The option offense?

Yeah, I thought of that right after I posted my comment but I was too lazy to edit it.

Mirer3Powlus · Feb 12, 2011

Irish666 said:
Im just stating facts, Rees, won the games he started. If a starting pitcher in baseball wins 6-5, isnt it a win?

An 0-36 pitcher with an ERA of 1.00 is miles better than a 36-0 with an ERA of 6.00.

PatsandBostonfan1975 · Feb 13, 2011

Mirer3Powlus said:
An 0-36 pitcher with an ERA of 1.00 is miles better than a 36-0 with an ERA of 6.00.

um..... no its not.

Rhode Irish · Feb 13, 2011

PatsandBostonfan1975 said:
um..... no its not.

Really? If both guys were free agents and you were the GM of a team and you could sign one of the two, you'd take the guy with the 6.00 era over the guy with the 1.00 era? Must not be much of a baseball fan....

alohagoirish · Feb 13, 2011

As far as Rees and Crist go, the analogy would be more correct if you were deciding between two pitchers, both with similar stats, say an ERA of 3.2, yet one guy was 14-2 and the other 7-9. Thats a tougher choice, and its likely the 14-2 guy would be the pick. That would be Rees.

BGIF · Feb 13, 2011

Mirer3Powlus said:
An 0-36 pitcher with an ERA of 1.00 is miles better than a 36-0 with an ERA of 6.00.

By this logic, Rees is a lock with a 4-0 record in games started versus Crist's 4-5 record in games started.

As far as ERA's, Rees gets the edge, as well, with a QB Efficiency of 132.01 versus Crist's QB Eff of 129.34. Not bad considering Rees was a Rookie and '10 was Crist's 3rd year at ND.

And yes, Rees QB EFF of 103.49 was less than impressive against Southern Cal. It was all of 0.26 worse than Crist's stellar 103.75 against B.C.

And Rees didn't have Allen in his backfield nor Rudolph AND Ragone at TE. He didn't have much of Riddick or T.J Jones in those last 4 games which makes him pretty smart to be looking for Floyd. Kamara and Toma were his other WR starters, who would you be looking for?

Rees' Defense lacked Ian Williams and Calabrese as starters as well.

PatsandBostonfan1975 · Feb 13, 2011

Rhode Irish said:
Really? If both guys were free agents and you were the GM of a team and you could sign one of the two, you'd take the guy with the 6.00 era over the guy with the 1.00 era? Must not be much of a baseball fan....[/I'm taking the 36-0 guy because the 0-36 guy with the 1.00 E.R.A because the latter is the most unluckiest S.O.B. on the planet and huge baseball fan Andy Pettite in 2003 21 wins 4.02 E.R.A , David Wells 20 wins 4.11 E.R.A in 2000. ed walsh led the league in E.R.A 1.27 and led league with losses 1910.

SLCIRISH · Feb 13, 2011

1.Hendrix- best physical tools, should lead them to a 6-0 start.
2. Golsen(unless redshirt than Crist), two words: zone read.
3, Rees, dependable, unless he wins the starting pos, has to be here.
4. Crist unless he blows the competition way.

If Crist is the starter and ND loses an early games then you will see Hendix for sure.

JDAtlanta · Feb 13, 2011

Rees played in the spread in high school. Crist played in a Pro style offense. I do not know which style offense Hendrix played in.
Here is my take:
Crist is a great leader and talented QB. He is learning the system.
Rees knows the system, is a very hard worker and ran a watered down offense very well. He played very well at the end of the season (sans U$C). He reminds me of J. Montana. Not the greatest physical tools, but gets the job done.
Hendrix is still an unknown quantity. I have no information yo make an informed opinion.
Golson has numbers coming out of high school that rival anyone. He had a chance to break the all time passing records until he was hurt his senior year. He appears to be the perfect fit for Kelly's offense.
Massa is rumored to be switching positions.
Montana will be wearing a red hat for the rest of his time at ND, if he stays.
To summarize, we are in a much better position going into next season, than we were last year at this time.
Here is how I would put the order:
Crist
Rees
Hendrix
Golson (hold out for a 5th year)
Montana

Mirer3Powlus · Feb 13, 2011

BGIF said:
By this logic, Rees is a lock with a 4-0 record in games started versus Crist's 4-5 record in games started.

As far as ERA's, Rees gets the edge, as well, with a QB Efficiency of 132.01 versus Crist's QB Eff of 129.34. Not bad considering Rees was a Rookie and '10 was Crist's 3rd year at ND.

And yes, Rees QB EFF of 103.49 was less than impressive against Southern Cal. It was all of 0.26 worse than Crist's stellar 103.75 against B.C.

And Rees didn't have Allen in his backfield nor Rudolph AND Ragone at TE. He didn't have much of Riddick or T.J Jones in those last 4 games which makes him pretty smart to be looking for Floyd. Kamara and Toma were his other WR starters, who would you be looking for?

Rees' Defense lacked Ian Williams and Calabrese as starters as well.

I wasn't using that analogy as one for Rees and Crist (as neither come close to either extremes), but just to show that wins and losses for a pitcher in baseball is completely useless in today's world of advanced statistics. It's totally dependent upon your run support, or in the case of football, the combined talent around you. I'm assuming the guy who can't understand this reality a few posts above mine would also have taken 2000 Trent Dilfer over 1984 Dan Marino just because the former won the Superbowl.

Sorry for taking this thread off-topic, but as I said, wins and losses are generally agreed upon as an obsolete statistic by just about anyone who can understand the sport. It irks me when people think otherwise; they're the same people who would have given the Cy Young award this year to CC Sabathia instead of Felix Hernandez.

BGIF · Feb 13, 2011

Mirer3Powlus said:
I wasn't using that analogy as one for Rees and Crist (as neither come close to either extremes), but just to show that wins and losses for a pitcher in baseball is completely useless in today's world of advanced statistics. It's totally dependent upon your run support, or in the case of football, the combined talent around you. I'm assuming the guy who can't understand this reality a few posts above mine would also have taken 2000 Trent Dilfer over 1984 Dan Marino just because the former won the Superbowl.

Sorry for taking this thread off-topic, but as I said, wins and losses are generally agreed upon as an obsolete statistic by just about anyone who can understand the sport. It irks me when people think otherwise; they're the same people who would have given the Cy Young award this year to CC Sabathia instead of Felix Hernandez.

Got it!

Riddickulous · Feb 13, 2011

Irish666 said:
1.Hendrix- best physical tools, should lead them to a 6-0 start.
2. Golsen(unless redshirt than Crist), two words: zone read.
3, Rees, dependable, unless he wins the starting pos, has to be here.
4. Crist unless he blows the competition way.

If Crist is the starter and ND loses an early games then you will see Hendix for sure.

Is this how you think the depth chart is going to shape up?

InKellyITrust · Feb 13, 2011

Irish666 said:
1.Hendrix- best physical tools, should lead them to a 6-0 start.
2. Golsen(unless redshirt than Crist), two words: zone read.
3, Rees, dependable, unless he wins the starting pos, has to be here.
4. Crist unless he blows the competition way.

If Crist is the starter and ND loses an early games then you will see Hendix for sure.

Perhaps I missed something, but I thought that Crist did well with BK's offense when healthy. Obviously, the key phrase in there is when healthy, but at least if he gets hurt, Rees has shown that he can be counted on as a backup.

I would think that the main competition is between Crist & Hendrix w/ Golson as the ultimate wildcard. Who knows how well he could pick up the offense from spring ball to the fall?

irish1958 · Feb 13, 2011

Crist didn't run Kelly's offense. Whoever comes out of Spring and Fall camp and can do it will start.
If nobody can, then probably Crist will start. Hendrix will have had a year to figure it out and this Spring and Fall camps. If he doesn't know what to do, he probably will never do it.

IrishinSyria · Feb 14, 2011

There are two real competitions:

Hendrix and Rees and Crist and Himself.

If Crist recovers, he starts and Hendrix and Rees are competing for the backup spot.

DillonHall · Feb 14, 2011

I don't think Crist will be healthy enough during spring practice to be given the starting role (and at the same time I don't think you can take it away from him- for this same reason). So although I hate having this uncertainty, I think it'll last through fall practice as well. When do you guys think the QB situation will be settled?

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