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[rocket31]

i was reluctant to say this at first, but after watching Worley's film again, does anyone else like him better than bubba?

i think do...

 

[neoroks32]

bubba is sorta like jimmy comming out, great talent but poor competition, but even with that said bubba has way better upside no matter what competition he would have played

 

[neoroks32]

and before anyone wants to argue about the poor competition statement, for jimmy, if for undefeated your whole high school career and only sacked once your whole career obviously thats not great competition

 

[NDinL.A.]

and before anyone wants to argue about the poor competition statement, for jimmy, if for undefeated your whole high school career and only sacked once your whole career obviously thats not great competition

There's no argument. I'm as big of a fan of Jimmy's as you'll find, but I saw him play in high school and I saw some of the teams he played against, and he might as well have been playing in shorts. Teams wouldn't sniff him. See, his high school is a new one and at that time were just becoming the powerhouse they are now, and their schedule was extremely weak. Plenty of people were calling them out for not playing the powerhouse schools when they had so much talent. Now Oaks Christian plays a real schedule, but back when Jimmy was playing, it was like he was playing in a spring football passing league.

 

[irish4ever]

and before anyone wants to argue about the poor competition statement, for jimmy, if for undefeated your whole high school career and only sacked once your whole career obviously thats not great competition

Pay backs are hell! The defense made up for it during his 1st year at ND though .... he was on his ass more than his feet. I'm actually surprised that he survived the beating he took.

 

[simets99]

bubba is sorta like jimmy comming out, great talent but poor competition, but even with that said bubba has way better upside no matter what competition he would have played

I'm not questioning the competition part but do you really think Bubba has "way better upside" than Jimmy? I mean Clausen was the #1 QB and #1 overall prospect in some ratings coming out of high school. He's going to be a first round pick after 3 years and possibly a top 10 pick. I like Bubba a lot but to say he has more upside than Jimmy is a huge stretch.

 

[IrishInFl]

I'm not questioning the competition part but do you really think Bubba has "way better upside" than Jimmy? I mean Clausen was the #1 QB and #1 overall prospect in some ratings coming out of high school. He's going to be a first round pick after 3 years and possibly a top 10 pick. I like Bubba a lot but to say he has more upside than Jimmy is a huge stretch.

Did Jimmy run a 4.5? No. Did Jimmy throw a 93 mph fast ball? No. Did Jimmy have other sports that he excelled at like Bubba? Not like Bubba at least. In no way is it a huge stretch to say a kid with the physical attributes that Bubba has does not have just as much upside as Jimmy.

 

[simets99]

Did Jimmy run a 4.5? No. Did Jimmy throw a 93 mph fast ball? No. Did Jimmy have other sports that he excelled at like Bubba? Not like Bubba at least. In no way is it a huge stretch to say a kid with the physical attributes that Bubba has does not have just as much upside as Jimmy.

Is Bubba a better athlete than Clausen yes, is he a better QB prospect no. I like Bubba a lot but I disagree when people say he has more upside than Clausen. I think people have very short memories and forget how big of a prospect Clausen was. People were saying he had Elway potential coming out of high school.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Is Bubba a better athlete than Clausen yes, is he a better QB prospect no. I like Bubba a lot but I disagree when people say he has more upside than Clausen. I think people have very short memories and forget how big of a prospect Clausen was. People were saying he had Elway potential coming out of high school.

If I remember correctly ESPN said he was the Lebron James of football...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Posts moved to new thread.

Please keep these types of posts out of other recruits threads.

Thanks

 

[BearGB]

Hey since this was moved from another thread, could anyone tell me which QB's film they were talking about initially who some thought was better than Bubba's? Was it Worley's?

 

[BGIF]

Hey since this was moved from another thread, could anyone tell me which QB's film they were talking about initially who some thought was better than Bubba's? Was it Worley's?

Yes, here's the link to the video.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/201...-11-sc-qb-justin-worley-offer.html#post364586

 

[DirtySecret]

Did Jimmy run a 4.5? No. Did Jimmy throw a 93 mph fast ball? No. Did Jimmy have other sports that he excelled at like Bubba? Not like Bubba at least. In no way is it a huge stretch to say a kid with the physical attributes that Bubba has does not have just as much upside as Jimmy.

What does that have to do with being a better prospect at the QB position. Bubba highlights are the least impressive I've seen. His accuracy sucks, not once did I see any throws over the middle. All I saw was QB keeper and bombs down the sideline that the wideout had to reposition his body to catch it.

 

[TDHeysus]

Did Jimmy run a 4.5? No. Did Jimmy throw a 93 mph fast ball? No. Did Jimmy have other sports that he excelled at like Bubba? Not like Bubba at least. In no way is it a huge stretch to say a kid with the physical attributes that Bubba has does not have just as much upside as Jimmy.

Saying a kid has more upside is alot different from actually having the upside. Jimmy did it, jimmy's got it.

Excelling at multiple sports...I tend to think that means good at everything, great at nothing. Jimmy was a great college QB. Being good at multiple sports is good in HS, not so good in college, not good at all in the pros (except for the very rare exceptions: Deion Sanders, Bo Jackson, etc).

Does a QB need 4.5 speed? No. Does a QB need to throw a Baseball 93mph? Nope. Throwing a baseball, and throwing a football is COMPLETELY different. I mean Samardjia can pitch, did anyone want him playing QB? No.

I dont want a QB running a 4.5, then he thinks he can run (please see Terrelle Pryor for reference). I want a QB that knows his role, throwing the damn ball. Clausen ALWAYS looked to throw the ball, he was/is a true passer.

At the end of this next year, I think ppl will appreciate Clausen alot more, his passing records wont be touched anytime soon. Definitely not from a QB who can run a 4.5(he'll make too many runs; and a running QB tells me when a pass play breaks down, he runs for it, rather than finding the correct receiver, or throwing it away.)

 

[DirtySecret]

Saying a kid has more upside is alot different from actually having the upside. Jimmy did it, jimmy's got it.

Excelling at multiple sports...I tend to think that means good at everything, great at nothing. Jimmy was a great college QB. Being good at multiple sports is good in HS, not so good in college, not good at all in the pros (except for the very rare exceptions: Deion Sanders, Bo Jackson, etc).

Does a QB need 4.5 speed? No. Does a QB need to throw a Baseball 93mph? Nope. Throwing a baseball, and throwing a football is COMPLETELY different. I mean Samardjia can pitch, did anyone want him playing QB? No.

I dont want a QB running a 4.5, then he thinks he can run (please see Terrelle Pryor for reference). I want a QB that knows his role, throwing the damn ball. Clausen ALWAYS looked to throw the ball, he was/is a true passer.

At the end of this next year, I think ppl will appreciate Clausen alot more, his passing records wont be touched anytime soon. Definitely not from a QB who can run a 4.5(he'll make too many runs; and a running QB tells me when a pass play breaks down, he runs for it, rather than finding the correct receiver, or throwing it away.)

Agreed...

 

[neoroks32]

I dont want a QB running a 4.5,throwing the damn ball.
Clausen ALWAYS looked to throw the ball, he was/is a true passer.

that statement doesnt count everyone knew clausen wasnt a runner, coach weis even said he alwaysed called zone read plays where the qb can take it and run but clausen never did.

no disrespect but it doesnt matter what you want from a qb its what coach kelly wants, and if i remember correctly zack collaros was a scrambiling qb.

im not saying im a bubba fan or a worley fan, it doesnt matter to me who we get, coach kelly has a great reputation for groomming qbs, he didnt give bubba an offer because he thought it will be cool to have a 6-5 qb that run a 4.5, hes bringing talent to notre dame to win national titles, and that mean he believes buba can be a national champion qb, if he believes they (worley,buba) can be national championship winning qbs have faith in him, and with his resume i have faith no matter who our qb is.

 

[TDHeysus]

I dont have anything against any one these guys either...I just got irked when the comparisons to Clausen were thrown about. Clausen has a special, focused, refined talent. to say another player is like that because he runs a 4.5, or throws a baseball 93mph is disrepectful to Clausen accomplishments, and his hard work and hours he put into refining his talent. it cheapens his accomplishments. I felt the same way when ppl were saying that Crist is going to have as good a year, or better than Clausen. I bit my tongue on those threads, maybe I should have bit my tongue on this one too.

 

[neoroks32]

cincinnatis qb that played when tony pike got hurt last year

Passing Stats
1434yds, 10tds, 2INTs

Rushing Stats
57att, 344yds, 4tds

 

[neoroks32]

thats all in seven games

 

[rocket31]

bubba and worley both bring something different and id take either.

for me personally its:

1a: worley
1b: bubba

 

[BGIF]

Worley also plays basketball and baseball for his HS. But he doesn't have a 95 mph fastball so he's not going to be drafted by MLB.

 

[BirdmanND06]

Worley seems to have great accuracy, but from the tape I have seen, his arm strength seems to be somewhat lacking and he doesn't move nearly as well as Bubba. Bubba's biggest problem is that his footwork leaves a lot to be desired at this point. Bubba seems to be the better fit for this offense overall, despite the fact that he is behind in terms of technique.

 

[chyrspchuck]

There's no argument. I'm as big of a fan of Jimmy's as you'll find, but I saw him play in high school and I saw some of the teams he played against, and he might as well have been playing in shorts. Teams wouldn't sniff him. See, his high school is a new one and at that time were just becoming the powerhouse they are now, and their schedule was extremely weak. Plenty of people were calling them out for not playing the powerhouse schools when they had so much talent. Now Oaks Christian plays a real schedule, but back when Jimmy was playing, it was like he was playing in a spring football passing league.

ND in LA, I went to a game in 08-09 when they played Morro Bay in the playoffs, Morro Bay only passed 2 times the whole game and were terrible. Unless the competition got better in the 09-10 season the conference/division they are in is still very weak.



That aside, I'm from Missouri and Bubba Starlings competition isn't great. Not only that the comparisons to Jimmy are not warranted just yet, IMO. Bubba = Great Athlete, Jimmy = Great Quarterback. Jimmy's Lineage and Tutelage have a lot to do with that I believe.

 

[DoverShores]

I like Worley over Bubba. I don't like drawing too much from a highlight tape but that is all we've got to go on. As someone said earlier in the thread Bubba's highlights aren't even that impressive. But I know I don't have a complete picture of his game, that and I trust Kelly with the QBs so I ain't really worried.

Having said that, I actually like Kiehl Frazier over both of them.

 

[ryno 24]

personally the highlight tape shows worley being better but bubba is higher ranked for a reason that i dont understaqnd but we dont even know if bubba is playing college football