PTI Comments on ND

[CanadianIrish]

For those of you who didn't see it, Pardon the Interruption had a segment on Notre Dame today and Swarback's comments that neither him nor Kelly would resign. Both Wilbon and Tony K said that this was the lowest point in the history of ND Football, and that resigning may be out of their hands as there is an "investigation" going on.

Who is conducting this investigation? How serious is it? Are Wilbon and Kornheiser just out to lunch?

 

[KPENN]

Honestly could give a rats *** what those 2 *** wipes think or what they say

 

[IrishInColumbus]

It's just so easy to use these talking points; can't hate an sports journalism, it just isn't very good anymore.

Still though, having a kid die at a practice from negligence--how is that not the lowest point?

 

[irishff1014]

It is just theird opinion

 

[Stoic]

F**k Michael Wilbon! He hated ND for firing Willingham because you know how black people are, they stick together(not trying to be rasist, it's the truth). He said U-Dub needs to give Ty more time there too..

I never really like PTI. I don't even watch any of the shows on ESPN anymore they've all gotten to be ridiculous.

 

[irishff1014]

Yea thats a dumb pair they know everything about everysport and they are not wrong.

 

[mick2]

F**k Michael Wilbon! He hated ND for firing Willingham because you know how black people are, they stick together(not trying to be rasist, it's the truth). He said U-Dub needs to give Ty more time there too..

I never really like PTI. I don't even watch any of the shows on ESPN anymore they've all gotten to be ridiculous.

wilbon also defended tiger woods, hes a hack like all the others anymore.

 

[dshans]

... because you know how black people are, they stick together(not trying to be rasist (sic).

Not trying, but succeeding.

 

[aubeirish]

I'm not sure how the resignation of Kelly and Swarbrick would repair or undo what happened. This is just propaganda to put Notre Dame down.

 

[kmoose]

Still though, having a kid die at a practice from negligence--how is that not the lowest point?

How do you know it was negligence? I'm sorry, but I'm getting kind of pissed off about people jumping to conclusions, and acting as if it is a matter of fact, that someone forced Declan Sullivan to go up on that lift. I can buy that maybe someone "intimidated" the kid into going up there, in order to keep his job with the Football team. He was only 20, and probably relatively inexperienced in life. But he was also 20, and relatively inexperienced in life, likely with a bunch of bravado. I could just as easily buy that he was told it would be a good idea for him NOT to go up in the lift, and he went anyway. For Christ's sake, people...... can't we at least wait until SOME kind of fact comes out about what happened on that day, that led up to his death?

 

[Stoic]

Not trying, but succeeding.

What so racsist about it? Please I'd like to know! Here's a real question, would Wilbon be saying this if our coach was black? Or would be defending the coach, that was the point to my post..

 

[Irish Insanity]

The comment was something along the lines of: "If Kelly or one of his coaches was told by someone that Declan should be brought down becuase of the winds" and they responded with a "he's fine he's filming our practice" that they see no other option than for them to resign. Not that the results are going to force them to, or that they should. Just that if that was the scenario. And i'm not sticking up for these guys. I definitely don't agree with the way they usually portrait our Irish either.

 

[NDOM]

Yeah I agree with MIrish. Either way this is just a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE thing for the University just as much it is for the family of Declan Sullivan. Sad indeed and whatever the outcome, SOMEONE needs to take accountability because the way he tweeted; he was already scared to go up there. This is on someone for sure and whoever that someone may be is what we all have to wait for.

Either way this is just another blunder at the University of Notre Dame. And this one happens to be BIGTIME! Its fittin to get UGLY.

I'm just gonna sit back and watch what USED to be Rome crumble to the ground. Hate to say it but I believe thats whats gonna happen.

 

[Stoic]

Yeah I agree with MIrish. Either way this is just a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE thing for the University just as much it is for the family of Declan Sullivan. Sad indeed and whatever the outcome, SOMEONE needs to take accountability because the way he tweeted; he was already scared to go up there. This is on someone for sure and whoever that someone may be is what we all have to wait for.

Either way this is just another blunder at the University of Notre Dame. And this one happens to be BIGTIME! Its fittin to get UGLY.

I'm just gonna sit back and watch what USED to be Rome crumble to the ground. Hate to say it but I believe thats whats gonna happen.

Can I be Wonder Frog(TCU)? We can have a shtick going here..

 

[BurningRiver]

I can't say i disagree... This is, without a doubt, the lowest period in Notre Dame's history.

in the last four years years: a nine-loss season; a loss to syracuse; the first loss to navy in 43 consecutive tries, and then continuing to go 1-3 against them; an 0-4 and 1-3 november following 4-2 starts; no wins against USC, a coach fired; a student dies due to coaching ignorance; and consecutive losses in the form of a blowout to navy, and a loss to tulsa.

I challenge somebody to find a darker period in this program's mostly bright history than the one we are in now.

 

[NDOM]

Can I be Wonder Frog(TCU)? We can have a shtick going here..

DO IT!!!!

 

[IrishinSyria]

What so racsist about it? Please I'd like to know! Here's a real question, would Wilbon be saying this if our coach was black? Or would be defending the coach, that was the point to my post..

I'd suggest you drop this.

Racism is when you use membership of a certain racial group to predict individual attributes or behaviors.

So it is not racist to observe that blacks- in general- tend to vote democratic. Nor is it racist to observe that most running backs are black.

However, it is racist to assume that because someone is black, they must make a good running back. Or- if someone is a running back, they must be black.

In this case, it is racist to assume Wilbon would not be saying "this" if our coach was black because he is black and blacks "stick together" Now if you had limited your observation to: Wilbon has not liked ND since they fired Ty Willingham, you would be on solid ground. As it is, you imply that his opinions are an inevitable byproduct of his race and you are on very sensitive ground.

 

[mick2]

maybe the way he worded sounds a little off putting, but when it boils down wilbon does have a tendency to play the race card

 

[IrishinSyria]

The comment was something along the lines of: "If Kelly or one of his coaches was told by someone that Declan should be brought down becuase of the winds" and they responded with a "he's fine he's filming our practice" that they see no other option than for them to resign. Not that the results are going to force them to, or that they should. Just that if that was the scenario. And i'm not sticking up for these guys. I definitely don't agree with the way they usually portrait our Irish either.

And if that scenario actually occurred, they're right. It seems counterproductive to talk about imaginary scenarios on TV, but that's what you get with the 24 hour news-cycle: a lot of meaningless chatter.

maybe the way he worded sounds a little off putting, but when it boils down wilbon does have a tendency to play the race card

Now that, I can live with. That's an observation of how one individual behaves, not a prediction of how one individual will behave given his group. I didn't want to be an *** about it, I just think that the discussion here benefits if people are careful with the way they discus race.

 

[Stoic]

maybe the way he worded sounds a little off putting, but when it boils down wilbon does have a tendency to play the race card

Correct..

 

[mick2]

now you two shake hands and hug it out! lol

 

[Stoic]

now you two shake hands and hug it out! lol

As long as I can be naked and be covered in K-Y.

 

[MeanGreen]

Until the investigation is over or someone produces a witness or other video showing what happened, we have no idea what went on last Wednesday other than a life was lost. For PTI, or Whitlock or any other talking head to speculate or demand someone be fired is grandstanding on their part. If anyone for one second doesn't think Kelly or anyone else at ND wishes last Wednesday never happened then I think you are mistaken.

It is a shame that Declan lost his life and his parents and family have to deal with this. Anyone and everyone that is using this tragedy to take another shot at ND is a low life. In today's instant media reporting/access age they are bound to hear or see something that will not let the healing process move forward. ESPN has a way of just using certain quotes and clips to make ND and other organizations out side their circle of trust look bad at everything. It's easy to kick someone when they are down. How about a piece on how this is effecting Declan's sister at ND or Kelly family. Anyone think he goes home at night and has it easy. Losing games is nothing compared to this.

 

[dshans]

What (sic) so racsist about it?

Start with "you know how how black people are" and work your way back. Notre Dame fans are not all white with red hair and freckles. "They" are not all in agreement about the value of the spread offense or the hire of Brian Kelly.

Hell, I think that Lou Holtz was a mistake. Clearly a minority opinion on this board. Does this make me a part of a "they?" There has to be at least one other "white boy" in his late fifties (with faded freckles and no-longer red hair) living in Minnesota and a graduate of Notre Dame. Well, maybe not, but I just hope that you get MY point.

My father, born and raised in New York City by Irish immigrants, demographically should have been a "they" rabid Democrat. Not so. Through his hard work, and that of my grandparents, he graduated from a private, Jesuit high school, Fordham with an undergraduate degree, and Columbia with an MBA. As a businessman he went all republican. We had "words" in the late sixties and early seventies over LBJ, Nixon and Viet Nam.

What he didn't do, based on his growing up in a "mixed" NYC neighborhood during the Depression and WWII, was to lump any one person into any one "group."

Disagree with Wilbon as you will. Just to stay away from the bullshyte, sweeping characterizations.

 

[Pheonix14]

F both of them... Wilbon.. F'ing sellout...

 

[Lou Holtz]

I can't say i disagree... This is, without a doubt, the lowest period in Notre Dame's history.

in the last four years years: a nine-loss season; a loss to syracuse; the first loss to navy in 43 consecutive tries, and then continuing to go 1-3 against them; an 0-4 and 1-3 november following 4-2 starts; no wins against USC, a coach fired; a student dies due to coaching ignorance; and consecutive losses in the form of a blowout to navy, and a loss to tulsa.

I challenge somebody to find a darker period in this program's mostly bright history than the one we are in now.

I agree with the exception of a couple years the last decade has been miserable

 

[irshtrain]

Hey guys I'm going to break away from the main part of this thread and ask this question-What is everyone so afraid of concerning Notre Dame. Meaning the football program is at a very low point, kids dont seem to want to come, won/lost the last 15 yrs is terrible, Notre Dame is everyones whipping boy etc. I'll tell you what they are afraid of-the national program that Notre Dame once was ressurrects itself and they have to deal with Notre Dame being Notre Dame again. All the attention to a nonplayer/nonfactor ( meaning the team not DeClan ) makes you think someone is scared to death that Notre Dame will come up with the solution. My condolances to the Sullivan family but somehow I dont think Brian Kelly is at fault here, yes he's the coach and yes the buck stops at his desk but do you really think that this man just ignored a critical situation for the sake of a football practice. I think not, it was an accident, a tragic accident. My Questian is what is everyone so afraid of Notre Dame is just a shell of itself--I think I know the answer--they do too. Lastly my prayers and condolances like all 'Irish' go with the Sullivan family.

 

[DomerBoy]

How do you know it was negligence? I'm sorry, but I'm getting kind of pissed off about people jumping to conclusions, and acting as if it is a matter of fact, that someone forced Declan Sullivan to go up on that lift. I can buy that maybe someone "intimidated" the kid into going up there, in order to keep his job with the Football team. He was only 20, and probably relatively inexperienced in life. But he was also 20, and relatively inexperienced in life, likely with a bunch of bravado. I could just as easily buy that he was told it would be a good idea for him NOT to go up in the lift, and he went anyway. For Christ's sake, people...... can't we at least wait until SOME kind of fact comes out about what happened on that day, that led up to his death?

Operating a scissor lift is considered a potentially hazardous job therefore there is a known risk and danger associated with it. ND employees should have known the dangers of usage in potentially harsh weather conditions. This IS a classic case of negligence and ND will be shelling out plenty of dough because of it.

No one had to intimidate him or even order him to go up there. The fact that they did not prevent him from going up on the lift is cause enough for negligence due to the known risk of performance.

 

[phgreek]

How do you know it was negligence? I'm sorry, but I'm getting kind of pissed off about people jumping to conclusions, and acting as if it is a matter of fact, that someone forced Declan Sullivan to go up on that lift. I can buy that maybe someone "intimidated" the kid into going up there, in order to keep his job with the Football team. He was only 20, and probably relatively inexperienced in life. But he was also 20, and relatively inexperienced in life, likely with a bunch of bravado. I could just as easily buy that he was told it would be a good idea for him NOT to go up in the lift, and he went anyway. For Christ's sake, people...... can't we at least wait until SOME kind of fact comes out about what happened on that day, that led up to his death?

...Ditto

 

[phgreek]

Operating a scissor lift is considered a potentially hazardous job therefore there is a known risk and danger associated with it. ND employees should have known the dangers of usage in potentially harsh weather conditions. This IS a classic case of negligence and ND will be shelling out plenty of dough because of it.

No one had to intimidate him or even order him to go up there. The fact that they did not prevent him from going up on the lift is cause enough for negligence due to the known risk of performance.

Negligence is a funny thing...you can point to it fairly easily...culpability of an individual or individuals is QUITE a bit different...an institution can be negligent w/o a specific person culpable, per se...its only lawyers and and politicians that make them "equivalent".

Wait for the facts...