Post Game Observations

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Crist definitely got a bad wrap for one bad half of football. I still think he is a bette quarterback than Rees, however, if Rees turns the ball over 2-3 times a game but consistently wins, I'm not mad at him. His only loss as a starter was the Michigan game that we were 45 seconds from winning before some serious choking by our defense

Wouldn't of even been in the 45 second situation if Rees doesn't fumble the ball on the 7yd line on first down.

 

[Irish Fam]

Crist got pulled after ONE bad half of the first game of the year (also his first game back from surgery).

Rees just had 2 terrible halves against the #119 pass defense in the nation.

He had a pretty damn solid drive to take the lead. so maybe 1.75 bad halves

 

[kmoose]

Rees also has the luxury of 2 great RBs, the best WR in college football and one of the best TEs, and a veteran O-line, and Maine had nearly twice as many passing yards vs. Pitt as Rees had.

Again, I haven't seen the game, so it might be Rees' fault, but tell me again:

How many catches did "the best WR in college football" have?

 

[koonja]

Again, I haven't seen the game, so it might be Rees' fault, but tell me again:

How many catches did "the best WR in college football" have?

Where are you going with this?

 

[Irish Fam]

Wouldn't of even been in the 45 second situation if Rees doesn't fumble the ball on the 7yd line on first down.

Regardless, we had the lead with under a minute left and Michigan was what 70 yds from a go ahead score? I said I'm not happy with his turnovers, but if he puts us in the position to win, I'll take it everyday. And if I'm not mistaken, Rees had a pretty awesome 2 minute drive to give us the lead.

 

[irishff1014]

last yr crist had 8 int 8 games well hell Rees has almost past that in 4

 

[koonja]

Regardless, we had the lead with under a minute left and Michigan was what 70 yds from a go ahead score? I said I'm not happy with his turnovers, but if he puts us in the position to win, I'll take it everyday. And if I'm not mistaken, Rees had a pretty awesome 2 minute drive to give us the lead.

1) We should not need a game-saving drive in the final 2 minutes against the #119 pass D.

2) Sorry to burst your bubble, but we will not 'be in it' at the end with a QB who gives up 2/3 TOs per game against good teams like Stanford.

 

[kmoose]

Where are you going with this?

I'm going with: "let's stop talking like Tommy Rees couldn't win this game easily with the best WR in college football. That WR had just as bad a game, statistically."

Like I said, I haven't watched the replay yet, but from the box score, it looks like Michael Floyd had a much worse game than Tommy Rees. Maybe we should bench Floyd, too?

 

[irishff1014]

I'm going with: "let's stop talking like Tommy Rees couldn't win this game easily with the best WR in college football. That WR had just as bad a game, statistically."

Like I said, I haven't watched the replay yet, but from the box score, it looks like Michael Floyd had a much worse game than Tommy Rees. Maybe we should bench Floyd, too?

Negative they either double or triple covered him and tommy still tried to throw to him. and Got lucky that he didn't have another pick

 

[irishff1014]

The best play Floyd had got us a touchdown. Had an awesome block to get Jonas down the side line.

 

[koonja]

I'm going with: "let's stop talking like Tommy Rees couldn't win this game easily with the best WR in college football. That WR had just as bad a game, statistically."

Like I said, I haven't watched the replay yet, but from the box score, it looks like Michael Floyd had a much worse game than Tommy Rees. Maybe we should bench Floyd, too?

Lol. Not comparable. A) Floyd didn't have a terrible game. B) Even though Floyd had less production, look at his body of work. Even if you take this game out, Tommy started 4 games last year and had 8 INTs. He's played 3.5 games this year and had 9 TOs.

Sure, take out his 'bad game' today.

Tommy still has 7 TOs in 2.5 games then.

If we're ok with 3 TOs coming from our QB every game, then the rest of this season is going to tough to watch.

We can't ask the defense to play phenomenal every game just to give us a chance, knowing our QB will have 2/3 guaranteed TOs.

 

[kmoose]

Negative they either double or triple covered him and tommy still tried to throw to him. and Got lucky that he didn't have another pick

Alot of teams have doubled and tripled Floyd, and he's still had big games. Without the benefit of seeing the exact play(s); philosophically, I don't blame Rees for throwing at him.

 

[KPENN]

I'm going with: "let's stop talking like Tommy Rees couldn't win this game easily with the best WR in college football. That WR had just as bad a game, statistically."

Like I said, I haven't watched the replay yet, but from the box score, it looks like Michael Floyd had a much worse game than Tommy Rees. Maybe we should bench Floyd, too?

Floyd was doubled literally all game. Pitt forced Tommy use someone other then Floyd and it nearly worked for them.

 

[Irish Fam]

1) We should not need a game-saving drive in the final 2 minutes against the #119 pass D.

2) Sorry to burst your bubble, but we will not 'be in it' at the end with a QB who gives up 2/3 TOs per game against good teams like Stanford.

1) I don't think we should either, but we did and he made the drive, got the scorem we won.

2) There isn't a bubble to burst. I just said I'm okay with the turnovers as long as we get the win...

 

[koonja]

1) I don't think we should either, but we did and he made the drive, got the scorem we won.

2) There isn't a bubble to burst. I just said I'm okay with the turnovers as long as we get the win...

Ok, but I'm saying we won't get the win against USC, Stanford, and any other team that plays decent if our QB commits 2-3 TOs per game.

And I'm sorry, but Tommy is going to have2-3 TOs per game.

He had that last year and has that this year.

 

[kmoose]

Ok, but I'm saying we won't get the win against USC, Stanford, and any other team that plays decent if our QB commits 2-3 TOs per game.

And I'm sorry, but Tommy is going to have2-3 TOs per game.

He had that last year and has that this year.

Pitt took Michael Floyd completely out of the game(I'd call that pretty decent play) and Tommy turned it over twice, and we still won. I see what you are saying, but, really..........outside of Stanford, there's probably no teams left on the schedule that are significantly better than Pitt.

 

[koonja]

Pitt took Michael Floyd completely out of the game(I'd call that pretty decent play) and Tommy turned it over twice, and we still won. I see what you are saying, but, really..........outside of Stanford, there's probably no teams left on the schedule that are significantly better than Pitt.

We ran a spread offense against the worst passing defense in the nation and we couldn't move the ball and couldn't come near Maine's mark of 350 passing yards, which they had against Pitt.

And we have 2 great RBs, good O-line, and Floyd and Eifert.

I bet BK will start Tommy next week but my lord, we are so limited with 2-3 TOs per game coming from the QB.

Crist played bad for one half of the first game, but Tommy has proven last year and also this that he will give the ball up 2-3 times a game, and that cannot be acceptable with the talent this team has.

Let's just pray the defense continues to play lights out so we have a chance against the average teams.

With how limited Tommy makes us (TOs + lack of mobility in an offense where the QB has to run), we can always talk about next year.

 

[kmoose]

We ran a spread offense against the worst passing defense in the nation and we couldn't move the ball and couldn't come near Maine's mark of 350 passing yards, which they had against Pitt.

And we have 2 great RBs, good O-line, and Floyd and Eifert.

I bet BK will start Tommy next week but my lord, we are so limited with 2-3 TOs per game coming from the QB.

Crist played bad for one half of the first game, but Tommy has proven last year and also this that he will give the ball up 2-3 times a game, and that cannot be acceptable with the talent this team has.

Let's just pray the defense continues to play lights out so we have a chance against the average teams.

After that, all we can do is talk about next year.

Dude, you need to get over just looking at Rees. Football is a TEAM game. And the TEAM plays much better with Rees in the game. I don't know why that is, and frankly, I don't CARE why that is. All I care about is that it is!!! If the Holy Ghost himself came down to Earth and carried a "start Crist" placard at Gameday, I would tell him that he was wrong.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

6-1

 

[koonja]

Dude, you need to get over just looking at Rees. Football is a TEAM game. And the TEAM plays much better with Rees in the game. I don't know why that is, and frankly, I don't CARE why that is. All I care about is that it is!!! If the Holy Ghost himself came down to Earth and carried a "start Crist" placard at Gameday, I would tell him that he was wrong.

That's why we'll never agree on this (unless Tommy plays lights out or at the very least, stops giving up the ball).

I'm out (for the second time, lol).

 

[RyCo1983]

So I take it that Tommy Rees looked as horrible on television as he looked in person.
If he's the starter for the full season he needs to stop progressively playing worse every week.
Kid can't seem to make a read to save his life.
There has to be someone on this team that can play the damned QB position effectively.
Give Dayne another shot or put Hendrix in...see what he can do.
QB play can't get much more ineffective than Rees is for most of every game. He had one good drive that he didn't look completely lost on. It happened to be when we needed it to be.
The season's not going to get much better if not worse if Tommy stays in there.

I can't believe that John Goodman is the best option at PR either. Abysmal is the word that comes to mind.

Bottom line: I don't have any faith in anything beyond 7 or 8 wins unless some changes are made or a miracle happens.

 

[Irish Fam]

Ok, but I'm saying we won't get the win against USC, Stanford, and any other team that plays decent if our QB commits 2-3 TOs per game.

And I'm sorry, but Tommy is going to have2-3 TOs per game.

He had that last year and has that this year.

I couldn't agree more. In no way, do I love Rees at qb. I'm a Hendrix/Golson guy, but Tommy's record speaks volumes. 6-1 is nice. I know he owes the D for atleast a few wins, but the go ahead drive today was all Tommy... with a pretty nice assist from Eifert.

 

[nd1989]

So I take it that Tommy Rees looked as horrible on television as he looked in person.
If he's the starter for the full season he needs to stop progressively playing worse every week.
Kid can't seem to make a read to save his life.
There has to be someone on this team that can play the damned QB position effectively.
Give Dayne another shot or put Hendrix in...see what he can do.
QB play can't get much more ineffective than Rees is for most of every game. He had one good drive that he didn't look completely lost on. It happened to be when we needed it to be.
The season's not going to get much better if not worse if Tommy stays in there.

I can't believe that John Goodman is the best option at PR either. Abysmal is the word that comes to mind.

Bottom line: I don't have any faith in anything beyond 7 or 8 wins unless some changes are made or a miracle happens.

Clearly you're not evaluating the QB position very well.

progressively worse? Not even worth a retort beyond this....

 

[General Colon Bowel]

Here's the thing guys. All this bitching and moaning about Rees is pointless. Rees gives our team the best chance to win. Otherwise Kelly would put someone else in at qb. I'm in no way saying I'm pleased with the qb play. This is just where our qb situation is right now. You have to remember, this was Rees' 8th game. And it's not like he was a 5 star qb, who was expected to come in and be ready to play right away. Some growing pains should be expected. Our team as a whole has much higher expectations, than Rees as an individual should have. Jimmy Clausen was still struggling mightily at this point in his career, and his individual expectations were much higher. However, the team expectations his sophomore year were extremely low, so to people on here, his individual expectations were lowered. I think the hardest position to be put in sports is being the new developing qb on a team that is not new or developing at any other positions. People look at this ND team, see the experience and depth, and expect them to win now. Unfortunately for this team, the position that has the largest effect on the outcome of the game is one of the few positions where we don't have a skilled AND experienced option. Rees is and should be our starter, because for better or worse he gives us the best chance to win. With that being the case, maybe we just need to reevaluate our expectations for this year's Irish squad.

 

[irishff1014]

I lost some faith in kellys offensive staff. And since he works with the QB him as well

 

[irishff1014]

Pitt took Michael Floyd completely out of the game(I'd call that pretty decent play) and Tommy turned it over twice, and we still won. I see what you are saying, but, really..........outside of Stanford, there's probably no teams left on the schedule that are significantly better than Pitt.

Did you forget we play USC. They are a fast team. We don't know what this team will do against Navy.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

You have to remember, this was Rees' 8th game.

Crist has started 10. Everyone wants to use this statement as an excuse for Rees for his ineptitude, yet Crist has only started 2 more games and has even less time than Rees in a spread formation.

 

[RyCo1983]

Clearly you're not evaluating the QB position very well.

progressively worse? Not even worth a retort beyond this....

Have his turnovers stopped?
Have his yards per game climbed suddenly every week?
Did he suddenly start making reads and not zeroing in on Floyd and Eifert?
There is a wealth of talent on this offense. QB play is the weak link. I don't think Tommy or Dayne are the answer. We probably won't get to see if one of the young guys can do it this year. I am already looking forward to next season.

Tommy looked well below average against a terrible pass defense.
He played good against USF. Pretty good against Michigan. Gotta give that MSU win to the defense. And you gotta give todays game to the defense.

Should have been a blowout today...instead it was possibly the ugliest game I've ever been to.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

HCTI is on point tonight! I agree with everything you have stated tonight bro!

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Every drive outside of the last scoring drive could have been handled by any other QB on the roster with the same if not better results.