Post Game Observations....

[NDMontana]

That tape needs to be turned over to the NCAA--not the Big East.

And Notre Dame should not play another Big East school. Let Pitt, UConn and Syracuse schedule some shit team from the ACC or MAC or whatever. Just see if Heinz field is filled to capacity then. No more get the big bucks from ND. Let an ACC team or a Mountain West team take their place.

If I were Charlie Weis I would've pulled the team off the field after the combination of the Baldwin "catch", the roughing the punter and the no call on Floyd. I wouldn't have waited for an incomplete pass that was blown dead, with players standing around and walking back to the huddle, to be called a fumble.

Guys, I know that some of the outcries will come from people that always blame the refs but I was an official, read my posts--I always say you can't blame the refs and that it's a lousy excuse. But I've never seen anything like this before. Unabashed cheating. They weren't even embarrassed, they weren't even inconspicuous. They flat out cheated.

 

[kmoose]

the fumble call that gave them the game??

I will agree that they got that call wrong, but it most certainly did NOT "give them the game". If they don't call it a fumble, then it is 4th and 16. Given the way that Pitt's 4 man rush was pressuring Clausen all night long, I figure we had about a 5% chance of converting that 4th down. That figure would go down by about 2%, for every rusher over 4 that Pitt may have brought. Don't try to put this one on the officials. I think they blew that call, but I will not agree that it cost us the game. It's not like they reversed a winning score, with no time left on the clock.

 

[irishfan]

To me the "fumble" call was mind blowing. I mean the ref has to see indisputable evidence to overturn it which there wasn't let alone that there was indisputable evidence that it wasn't fumble. That was possibly worse then the overturned sideline call against Armando in the Michigan game.

Not to mention that we lost a timeout because of that too....

 

[NDMontana]

C-H-E-A-T-I-N-G

 

[wahoo]

So is it CW or the University? Seems to be much the same right down the line....

If you want to accept mediority and go to a minor bowl game then keep CW. If you want to move back into the top ten..then get a new coach!

 

[NDMontana]

Bernie Madoff didn't fuck anyone that bad.

 

[Master Guns]

the fumble call that gave them the game?? they missed acouple others but that one took the game out of the players hands.

the officials decided they were going to decide the game for us. which is not right

Agree. All night the Refs to include the booth, were overboard. Jeez checking to see if Floyd was out of bounds when the ref and the national TV audiance could tell he was in. Kills momentum........intentionally. And the fumble, what BS.

 

[devolg]

We have had a chance to win in each game we have played this year. EVERY SINGLE GAME and we have a POS D. You don't fire a coach and hit the reset button when you have a chance to win EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.

Because a chance to win is not what this program needs, it needs to actually win. A check in the L column is the same no matter what way you slice it & its simply not enough.

Don't get me wrong I love Charlie. I love his mentality & personality as a coach. I also think he's a tremendous football mind with lots of talent but he lacks the ability to motivate kids to play at a higher level & until they start playing at higher level, we will remain a mediocre team. I hate to see Charlie go but I think it's time. Someday he'll be good enough as a head coach but hes not progressing fast enough for ND.

End of the day it doesn't matter what we think. It'll be up to the University & I think they've showed tremendous paitence by ND's standards in waiting for him to break out but I think that well has run dry.

 

[Skuch22]

and how bout that call where they said Clausens knee was down in the 1st quarter? also mindblowing. This game to me seemed like a scam I have never seen so many no calls and horrible reviews in my life. THis sucks the refs won it for pitt. Its a damn shame for CHarlie to be fired now too, which to me is inevitable

 

[DoverShores]

It was a very questionable call...but why did it happen in the first place? The reason was because our offensive tackles were getting beat!

Agree. But with the way we've made combacks, and just as it looks like we're at it again, the refs take it out of hands, without any good evidence whatsoever for doing so. I won't boil the game down to one horrendous call... but even on 4th n 16 I'd really like a shot at it.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

No... I'm just sitting here thumbing myself. In addition, I just went back and created roughtly 200 posts to cover my story that I was, in fact, watching the game when I really wasn't. We had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win. We ended up getting shafted.

We have had a chance to win in each game we have played this year. EVERY SINGLE GAME and we have a POS D. You don't fire a coach and hit the reset button when you have a chance to win EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.

[shrug] Okay. I don't know who you are trying to convince. Charlie is making this decision a very easy one for Swarbrick. This team probably won't win another game this year. THEN do you fire the coach, even if they're "in" every game? Maybe not at Northwestern or IU, but at ND, you probably have to.

 

[Master Guns]

If you want to accept mediority and go to a minor bowl game then keep CW. If you want to move back into the top ten..then get a new coach!

With what coach, Gruden, Kelly???? Please, just more of the same. One more year for JC's senior year is not going to make a big difference except to see what can come of his recruits senior year.

 

[tankjeep]

I will agree that they got that call wrong, but it most certainly did NOT "give them the game". If they don't call it a fumble, then it is 4th and 16. Given the way that Pitt's 4 man rush was pressuring Clausen all night long, I figure we had about a 5% chance of converting that 4th down. That figure would go down by about 2%, for every rusher over 4 that Pitt may have brought. Don't try to put this one on the officials. I think they blew that call, but I will not agree that it cost us the game. It's not like they reversed a winning score, with no time left on the clock.

it wasn't just that call kmoose. there were a ton of missed calls as well, that all went pitt's way. pitt had one penalty called on them all nite, one....there's no way a team that runs the ball like they do doesn't get at least one holding penalty on them.

plus the pass int no calls....c'mon. it was one of the most biased officiating i've seen since the michigan game.

pitt's a decent football team, i'll give 'em that, and it's hard to compete against a good team and the referees.

 

[Junkhead]

It was going to be 4th and 16, and we sucked the first three quarters, so chances are the lousy calls didn't change the outcome. Fact is, ND has had to endure some of the worst officiating I've ever seen the past years. Just remember the Grimes "catch" against Stanford a few years ago. It's not easy being an ND fan.

 

[Skuch22]

Isn't pitt one of the most penalized teams in the Big East? One penalty called on them tnite hmmmmm

 

[jmurphy75]

Tenuta is in the last year of his 2 year contract. He is gone in less than 2 months no matter what.

It's his scheme that allows us to be the worst D in college football. How does everyone jump on the fire CW train and ignore our Defensive Cord. ? This is where the change has to happen, does everyone think a new head coach and the same stupid D calling will actually help? I've tried to be as positive as possible on this site because as long as I can remember Notre Dame Football was the highlight of my life and I want it to succede but let's get real our D is the problem and according to our recruiting class we're on the way to fixxing it. It will not improve unless we take action to make it better in the coaching department so I don't care what Tenuta's done before he got here, he hasn't done a thing since he's got here. If everyone is itching for a change that will actually help our program get rid of him.

 

[kmoose]

it wasn't just that call kmoose. there were a ton of missed calls as well, that all went pitt's way. pitt had one penalty called on them all nite, one....there's no way a team that runs the ball like they do doesn't get at least one holding penalty on them.

plus the pass int no calls....c'mon. it was one of the most biased officiating i've seen since the michigan game.

pitt's a decent football team, i'll give 'em that, and it's hard to compete against a good team and the referees.

You mean like the no call on Floyd, on that pass in the end zone? He was pushing the DB all over the place, and nothing was called. I agree that the officiating was poor, but I will not agree that it was completely one-sided, and I will definitely not agree that it cost ND the game. What cost ND the game was their inability to put drives together consistently. And their inability to stop Pitt from doing so, for most of the game.

 

[phork]

Don't forget that call that busted open the hole for their running back. I am sure there was a no-call for holding there somewhere.

And don't forget that "Too Much Speed" personal foul on their running back after he had the gall to run through everyone and scamper for 50 yards. That was the worst call all game.

And of course the missed call on Pittsburgh for giving ND too many 3 and outs. Thats a 50 yard penalty right there. Oh also Pitts last touch down, should have been a personal foul for "Piling On", luckily they evened it out by not calling the block in the back on Goldens run back.

All joking aside though, I don't think there has been a year with so many gripes in regards to the officials around the country. Frankly with so much dough on the line I can't believe these refs aren't nationally regulated trade under the NCAA or some other governing body.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

No... I'm just sitting here thumbing myself. In addition, I just went back and created roughtly 200 posts to cover my story that I was, in fact, watching the game when I really wasn't. We had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win. We ended up getting shafted.

We have had a chance to win in each game we have played this year. EVERY SINGLE GAME and we have a POS D. You don't fire a coach and hit the reset button when you have a chance to win EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.

I could honestly give a shit about "having a chance to win" if that chance doesn't translate into wins then what good is the friggin chance.

 

[wahoo]

It's not easy being an ND fan.

Amen to that. No one wants the Irish to win as much as I do. I'll still wear the blue and gold. I just want a coach who can get the full potential from his players. Recruiting is tougher now, but if you WIN they will come. There are too many good kids that want to wear the Blue & Gold. Let's get a coach who knows what a defense can do. I haven't seen one yet in the CW era.

 

[BGIF]

A couple of things you can count on with CW in charge.

1. A pretty good passing attack
2. Good screen plays.
3. Lot of penalties
4. A not-so-good defense.
5. A pretty poor record against ranked teams

Listen up wahoo!

Post another one in this thread and your off the board. There are two threads for your rants.

• Fire Weis
• Reasons to Keep/Fire Weis

 

[irishandy]

- I agree with everyone about our last pass being a fumble when it should've been an incomplete pass.
- To me this team looks flat, there is no motivation that I see coming out.
- As far as for the refs, they have screwed us all season long. I am sick and tired of seeing every play get reviewed.

 

[Junkhead]

It's his scheme that allows us to be the worst D in college football. How does everyone jump on the fire CW train and ignore our Defensive Cord. ? This is where the change has to happen, does everyone think a new head coach and the same stupid D calling will actually help? I've tried to be as positive as possible on this site because as long as I can remember Notre Dame Football was the highlight of my life and I want it to succede but let's get real our D is the problem and according to our recruiting class we're on the way to fixxing it. It will not improve unless we take action to make it better in the coaching department so I don't care what Tenuta's done before he got here, he hasn't done a thing since he's got here. If everyone is itching for a change that will actually help our program get rid of him.

The coach is in charge of the entire team, even if Weis wants to spend so much time with the QBs and offensive play calling, and possibly neglect other duties. Tenuta was a great hire ( so we thought). Verducci has improved the OL, but I fault Weis for keeping Latina a year longer than he should have. At the end of the day, the fault lies with the guy in charge.

 

[tankjeep]

You mean like the no call on Floyd, on that pass in the end zone? He was pushing the DB all over the place, and nothing was called. I agree that the officiating was poor, but I will not agree that it was completely one-sided, and I will definitely not agree that it cost ND the game. What cost ND the game was their inability to put drives together consistently. And their inability to stop Pitt from doing so, for most of the game.

sorry but when a db impedes a wr's progress it's pass int, especially when all he did was get in front of floyd and stop moving. he wasn't making a play on the ball, he was playing the man. floyd was trying to go for the ball but couldn't becuz he was impeded. and what about the hit on jimmy when he was running out of bounds when he threw the ball away? he was hit out of bounds....no call.

and i saw plenty of holding on pitt's olinemen too.

i'm not saying that it cost us the game, i'm just saying it can severely hindered nd in being as competitive as they could've been. in addition to that, the offense sputtered big time along with cw's poor play calling.

it was one big combination of screw ups from the officials to nd's offense and defense.

 

[jmurphy75]

Can someone please start a thread like Tenuta must go? It's baffleing to me how we're not holdining him accountable for anytjing this year. If we do fire CW (wich I think would be a mistake this year) will tenuta stay?

 

[devolg]

It's his scheme that allows us to be the worst D in college football. How does everyone jump on the fire CW train and ignore our Defensive Cord. ? .

Who hired Tenuta?

 

[Riddickulous]

Wabash, your arguments make sense.

However, with the talent that we have, we shouldn't even be in close games, let alone 6-4.

 

[leprechaun4life]

Weis is 1-13 against top 25 teams

Weis is 8-19 against teams with winning records

I think those stats are sufficient to make my point

 

[phork]

Can someone please start a thread like Tenuta must go? It's baffleing to me how we're not holdining him accountable for anytjing this year. If we do fire CW (wich I think would be a mistake this year) will tenuta stay?

I think its a foregone conclusion that he is toast. So no one cares.

 

[WabashFalcon]

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I could honestly give a shit about "having a chance to win" if that chance doesn't translate into wins then what good is the friggin chance.

So you'd rather be blown out by 50 than have a chance to win every game?