Positive article on ND's GSR on ESPN

[bobbyok1]

I grew up in South Bend, but currently live in Oklahoma. I knew about ND's great Graduation Success Rate, but I didnt know how bad Oklahoma's was, only 47%.


NCAA should celebrate Notre Dame's top athletic and academic rankings - ESPN

 

[ickythump1225]

I grew up in South Bend, but currently live in Oklahoma. I knew about ND's great Graduation Success Rate, but I didnt know how bad Oklahoma's was, only 47%.


NCAA should celebrate Notre Dame's top athletic and academic rankings - ESPN

It's good to see this getting some notice. Of course no one wants to mention it because it's embarrassing for the other schools. They'll continue to make excuses about their academics and it sounds more and more hollow with ND at #1 and Stanford in the top 10 and playing for the Pac-12 title.

 

[bobbyok1]

It's good to see this getting some notice. Of course no one wants to mention it because it's embarrassing for the other schools. They'll continue to make excuses about their academics and it sounds more and more hollow with ND at #1 and Stanford in the top 10 and playing for the Pac-12 title.

I'd love for this to get even more publicity on ESPN and other major sports networks. It is such a great selling card to recruits, much more magnified now that they are #1 in the BCS as well. They truly are the total package. "Want to play for the best team in the country AND make a great 40 year decision in your career with a degree from a prestigious academic university? Sign here."

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This article actually shocked me! In a really good way.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

HLS's Bayou Irish just published a good article comparing APR and GSR:

In an article last year in the Journal of Intercollegiate Sports, the NCAA’s Principal Research Scientist, Thomas S. Paskus, PhD, wrote that there was a good correlation between APR and GSR. The NCAA expects a 930 APR score to correlate to a fifty percent (50%) graduation rate. I wanted to look at that correlation, and compare the NCAA’s metrics to the FGR for the top four Division I programs in the country in 2012: Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State, and Notre Dame. Here’s how it all shook out...

APR is a useless metric.

 

[ulukinatme]

HLS's Bayou Irish just published a good article comparing APR and GSR:



APR is a useless metric.

Don't tell that to some Buckeyes. I singled them out because a few of them were happy to point out they had higher APR numbers over ND recently, however I'm sure other fan bases have puffed their chest out over their figures too. ND's APR is right in line with Stanford and a number of other respected universities. Our last APR is neck and neck with their records for the last 4 years.

APR has some small merit, but it doesn't take into account class difficulty if I recall. Easy to hold an A if you're at Michigan taking Sports Management, but it may be a bit tougher if you're in Engineering or Finance at a different college. It's also not a good comparison tool at all between different universities.

Here, from the WIKI gods:

For example, one institution may have an APR representing that only 50% of athletes are on track to graduate which seems like athletes are under performing at the university. However, if the graduation rate for non-athletes is also 50% then the low graduation rate for the athletes is not a student-athlete problem, but a university wide problem.[20] Another common misuse of the data occurs when APR results are compared between universities. This is usually not a valid comparison unless it is viewed alongside the graduation rates for non athletes at the institution. Furthermore, it is not always relevant to compare APR scores across universities because the academic rigors between universities differ. For example, at some high performing academic universities freshman struggle with eligibility because the workload is hard to deal with initially, but in the end, those students find academic success

Since our graduation rates are at the top, and our APR is in line with other universities with similar structures, you can see that the APR isn't a good measurement for ND as a university. If anything, the very high graduation rate and lower APR can show tougher workloads.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Just typical ESPN anti-ND bias.