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[Irish#1]

Someone get some money under the table?

 

[Bishop2b5]

In 1973, Joanne Chesimard, who also used the name Assata Shakur, was riding in a car on the New Jersey Turnpike with fellow members of the domestic terrorist group the Black Liberation Army when they were pulled over by NJ State Trooper Werner Foerster . Foerster was killed in an ensuing shootout. In 1977, Chesimard was convicted of first-degree murder along with multiple related charges, including assault and battery of a police officer, assault with a dangerous weapon, assault with intent to kill, illegal possession of a firearm, and armed robbery. She was sentenced to life in prison for the 1973 murder of Foerster.

In 1979 she escaped and went into hiding, resurfacing in 1984 in Cuba. All attempts to extradite her failed and she lived out her days there as a hero of "The Revolution" until her death this past week. Upon her death, the Chicago Teachers Union issued the following post on X honoring the "life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a fierce writer, a revered elder of Black liberation, and a leader of freedom whose spirit continues to live in our struggle."

Shameful as hell to honor a terrorist and murderer of a police officer. These are the radical leftists teaching our children. This is a big part of why we now see kids rioting against law & order, assaulting anyone who doesn't agree with their radical views, burning cities, fighting with cops, and murdering those who oppose them. They've been radicalized with utter BS by teachers like this.

MSN

 

[Bishop2b5]

@SeekNDestroy What do you find amusing about that story? A terrorist and murderer killed an innocent man and robbed him and his family of their life together, then escaped prison and lived out her life in peace. A teachers union, supposed to educate our children, celebrated her life and called her revered and clearly honored her. What about all that do you find honorable or humorous?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

@SeekNDestroy What do you find amusing about that story? A terrorist and murderer killed an innocent man and robbed him and his family of their life together, then escaped prison and lived out her life in peace. A teachers union, supposed to educate our children, celebrated her life and called her revered and clearly honored her. What about all that do you find honorable or humorous?

Your entire final paragraph is quite hilarious. Especially someone schooled in Alabama. I can only imagine what you learned in history class…

 

[Bishop2b5]

Your entire final paragraph is quite hilarious. Especially someone schooled in Alabama. I can only imagine what you learned in history class…

You're dodging answering my question. What about a terrorist murdering a cop and a teacher's union honoring her do you find amusing? Why would going to school in Alabama have anything to do with it? Every time you've tried to have a go at me over history, you've gotten demolished. You really want to try again?

Now, what did I say in the post that isn't true? It all came from an MSN article. Don't engage in ad hominem attacks instead of addressing the substance of the post. Again, what do you find funny about a terrorist murdering a cop, escaping to live in peace, and a teacher's union honoring her?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

You're dodging answering my question. What about a terrorist murdering a cop and a teacher's union honoring her do you find amusing? Why would going to school in Alabama have anything to do with it? Every time you've tried to have a go at me over history, you've gotten demolished. You really want to try again?

Now, what did I say in the post that isn't true? It all came from an MSN article. Don't engage in ad hominem attacks instead of addressing the substance of the post. Again, what do you find funny about a terrorist murdering a cop, escaping to live in peace, and a teacher's union honoring her?

I’ve wasted enough time on you. But go ahead and continue to pretend that you care about the educational system in this country. If it were up to you, the public school system wouldn’t exist and the only people getting educated would be wealthy whites.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I’ve wasted enough time on you. But go ahead and continue to pretend that you care about the educational system in this country. If it were up to you, the public school system wouldn’t exist and the only people getting educated would be wealthy whites.

Ahh, another idiotic dodge and refusal to respond adequately to me calling you out for a stupid take. Making up complete lies and stupid BS to dodge the question is an inadequate response. Now, you thought the murder of a cop by a terrorist and a radical leftist teacher's union honoring the murderer was funny. Defend that. Explain. Don't change the subject. Don't attack me for posting the article. Refute the facts of the article or shut the fuck up with your childish, bitter, low character, weirdo BS. There's a reason - several of your warped posts - that half the board thinks of you as a weirdo with some serious issues.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Ahh, another idiotic dodge and refusal to respond adequately to me calling you out for a stupid take. Making up complete lies and stupid BS to dodge the question is an inadequate response. Now, you thought the murder of a cop by a terrorist and a radical leftist teacher's union honoring the murderer was funny. Defend that. Explain. Don't change the subject. Don't attack me for posting the article. Refute the facts of the article or shut the fuck up with your childish, bitter, low character, weirdo BS. There's a reason - several of your warped posts - that half the board thinks of you as a weirdo with some serious issues.

I’ve already answered your questions, dumbass. I’m not Toronto. I don’t care about arguing with you. It’s boring. You have the same asinine retorts to everything. If I wanna laugh at your attempts to provoke, then I’ll do just that.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I’ve already answered your questions, dumbass. I’m not Toronto. I don’t care about arguing with you. It’s boring. You have the same asinine retorts to everything. If I wanna laugh at your attempts to provoke, then I’ll do just that.

No, you absolutely did not answer my question. You laughed at a post about a terrorist killing a cop 50 years ago, escaping prison and living her life in peace - something she denied the cop she murdered - and a radical left teacher's union honoring and praising her. I asked you what you found amusing or honorable about that, and you've dodged, spun, changed the subject, attacked me for posting the OP, and dodged some more. What you most definitely HAVE NOT done is explain your warped, low character, weirdo take in finding such a story funny. Your're stupid. You don't learn. Now, answer the question. Defend your finding it humorous. Don't spin. Don't dodge. Don't change the subject. Don't weasel away. Explain why you think it was funny or admit you're a lowlife weirdo POS, then stfu and stop saying stupid stuff all the time.

 

[Bishop2b5]

@SeekNDestroy So you're just stupid and giggle at things you can't actually address with your big words. Do you enjoy getting kicked in public or do you not care that you say stupid stuff or what? You're a strange dude who doesn't seem to learn.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

This is hilarious. Where's the outrage for honoring a bunch of racists traitors that fought against the country because they wanted to continue enslaving people?

 

[Bishop2b5]

This is hilarious. Where's the outrage for honoring a bunch of racists traitors that fought against the country because they wanted to continue enslaving people?

Completely unrelated to the discussion. If you'd like to discuss that, we can, but it's a poor attempt to deflect from the current discussion.

 

[Bishop2b5]

This is hilarious. Where's the outrage for honoring a bunch of racists traitors that fought against the country because they wanted to continue enslaving people?

I'll ask you the same question as I asked SND. What do you find amusing about that post? It's from an MSN article about a terrorist who murdered a cop who was just doing his job. A far left teacher's union, upon the death of the murderer, honored and praised her. That's shameful. Not the sort of people we want teaching our kids. So what do you find amusing about the murder or her being praised by the teacher's union? I genuinely find it extraordinary that anyone, left or right, thinks stuff like that is OK or amusing.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Completely unrelated to the discussion. If you'd like to discuss that, we can, but it's a poor attempt to deflect from the current discussion.

It's completely relevant and a perfect parallel, I'd argue a much bigger concern because one is being perpetuated by a our president

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I'll ask you the same question as I asked SND. What do you find amusing about that post? It's from an MSN article about a terrorist who murdered a cop who was just doing his job. A far left teacher's union, upon the death of the murderer, honored and praised her. That's shameful. Not the sort of people we want teaching our kids. So what do you find amusing about the murder or her being praised by the teacher's union? I genuinely find it extraordinary that anyone, left or right, thinks stuff like that is OK or amusing.

You are amusing

 

[Bishop2b5]

It's completely relevant and a perfect parallel, I'd argue a much bigger concern because one is being perpetuated by a our president

No, it's a dodge. It's a poor attempt to change the subject to avoid answering my question. Again, I'll gladly discuss the matter with you if you really want, but don't change the subject to help your idiot friend escape the consequences of saying yet another stupid thing.

 

[Bishop2b5]

You are amusing

So you're no more able to defend a bad position than SND. There's nothing amusing about a terrorist murdering a cop, escaping justice for it, and a radical teacher's union praising her and honoring her. You can't defend it, so, just like SND, you giggle about it. I didn't expect better from him. He's an idiot and has always had warped, twisted, bitter, low character takes on all sorts of things. You, I did expect better of.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

No, it's a dodge. It's a poor attempt to change the subject to avoid answering my question. Again, I'll gladly discuss the matter with you if you really want, but don't change the subject to help your idiot friend escape the consequences of saying yet another stupid thing.

Whatever dude, like I said before I think it's perfectly relevant to discuss when your side is doing the exact same shit you're so up in arms about. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds

 

[ColoradoIrish]

So you're no more able to defend a bad position than SND. There's nothing amusing about a terrorist murdering a cop, escaping justice for it, and a radical teacher's union praising her and honoring her. You can't defend it, so, just like SND, you giggle about it. I didn't expect better from him. He's an idiot and has always had warped, twisted, bitter, low character takes on all sorts of things. You, I did expect better of.

You're right there's nothing amusing about that I agree. The history of that time period is important to be taught but I don't believe people like Shakur should be represented to be anything other than what they were. It's why I hate how people honor the confederacy, how we have seemingly honored traitor's from January 6th, events that lead to the deaths of police officers.

 

[TorontoGold]

There is an incredible irony of being too stupid to understand that it’s a Fox News story and not a “MSN” story.

I wonder if there’s any underlying bias that may be in the reporting for those that may be partial to racial justice matters.

Of course, wouldn’t want children to be taught by radical leftists. But by Leather Daddy’s who want Snow White Story Time about his degradation kink.

 

[NDWarrior]

Bishop Dude! Take some time to walk through this long and very complex case and story (in Wikipedia), including how Shakur was targeted and beaten while in jail awaiting trial for her black liberation movement participation.

It sounds like a lot of police fabrication and there was medical testimony validate that there is no way she could have shot a gun and that one of the two gun bullets she took from police included one that only could occur with her arms up in the air; also no gunpowder residue found on her fingers and her fingerprints were not found on any gun at the scene.

Also it was all-white jury of 10 females and 5 males, all under 30 that convicted her.

Again, she likely hung around some bad elements some of which I don't think were even part of the black liberation movement.
She was absolutely targeted and many in power wanted her locked up.

And that's why in addition to the CTU, a number of respected publications made comments commemorating her legacy:
The Guardian describes Shakur as "an icon of Black liberation", noting that "her life and memoir inspired racial justice movements for decades."[234] Shakur's writings have influenced the 2020s Black Lives Matter movement.[235] In their obituaries, The New York Times and Rolling Stone called Shakur a folk hero.[236][237]

You simply read a headline and went off and made some very wild and speculative extrapolations to fit your very biased and loaded narrative
Bishop: Shameful as hell to honor a terrorist and murderer of a police officer. These are the radical leftists teaching our children.

Her being branded a terrorist and murderer is something that can be debated upon reviewing the facts of this case and its details.

And the CTU did not honor her for said terror and murder:
"Rest in Power, Rest in Peace, Assata Shakur," the CTU’s post read. "Today we honor the life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a fierce writer, a revered elder of Black liberation, and a leader of freedom whose spirit continues to live in our struggle."

And the CTU is not the sole voice and sentiment of Chicago teachers; from a CTU description: The CTU acts as the representative for its members during collective bargaining and grievance resolution, but its influence and voice are distinct from the collective voices of all Chicago teachers.

So it's a huge extrapolation to make a statement like this:
Bishop: This is a big part of why we now see kids rioting against law & order, assaulting anyone who doesn't agree with their radical views, burning cities, fighting with cops, and murdering those who oppose them. They've been radicalized with utter BS by teachers like this.

Bishop: Refute the facts of the article or shut the fuck up with your childish, bitter, low character, weirdo BS.
I just did.

Try and do your homework before you get all indignant and shit about something that is much more complex than radical black terrorist convicted cop killer bad, left worships her; and this is why school kids grow up to be radical leftist lunatics who burn cities, fight with cops, and murder their political opponents.

You're just as bad as Pee Wee German , Pam Blondi Bimbo, and Heil Trump in trying to foment violence against anyone who or any organization that has a differing opinion from the MAGA Cult.

As I always tell you Bishop, you can do better man...

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Medical evidence​

Shakur's broken clavicle was a key element of her defense, and the implications of her injury for the differing accounts of the shootout were points of contention.
A key element of Shakur's defense was medical testimony meant to demonstrate that she was shot with her hands up and that she would have been subsequently unable to fire a weapon. A neurologist testified that the median nerve in Shakur's right arm was severed by the second bullet, making her unable to pull a trigger.[110] Neurosurgeon Dr. Arthur Turner Davidson, Associate Professor of Surgery at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, testified that the wounds in her upper arms, armpit and chest, and severed median nerve that instantly paralyzed her right arm, would only have been caused if both arms were raised, and that to sustain such injuries while crouching and firing a weapon (as described in Trooper Harper's testimony) "would be anatomically impossible".

Other evidence​

According to Angela Davis, neutron activation analysis that was administered after the shootout showed no gunpowder residue on Shakur's fingers and forensic analysis performed at the Trenton, New Jersey, crime lab and the FBI crime labs in Washington, D.C., did not find her fingerprints on any weapon at the scene.

 

[SportsingHard]

I'm just getting my feet wet here, but I'm getting a sense these IE political boards are like America: There are jackasses on both sides, but people who are relatively classy tend toward the right side of the spectrum, if not the center.

 

[SportsingHard]

Bishop Dude! Take some time to walk through this long and very complex case and story (in Wikipedia), including how Shakur was targeted and beaten while in jail awaiting trial for her black liberation movement participation.

It sounds like a lot of police fabrication and there was medical testimony validate that there is no way she could have shot a gun and that one of the two gun bullets she took from police included one that only could occur with her arms up in the air; also no gunpowder residue found on her fingers and her fingerprints were not found on any gun at the scene.

Also it was all-white jury of 10 females and 5 males, all under 30 that convicted her.

Again, she likely hung around some bad elements some of which I don't think were even part of the black liberation movement.
She was absolutely targeted and many in power wanted her locked up.

And that's why in addition to the CTU, a number of respected publications made comments commemorating her legacy:
The Guardian describes Shakur as "an icon of Black liberation", noting that "her life and memoir inspired racial justice movements for decades."[234] Shakur's writings have influenced the 2020s Black Lives Matter movement.[235] In their obituaries, The New York Times and Rolling Stone called Shakur a folk hero.[236][237]

You simply read a headline and went off and made some very wild and speculative extrapolations to fit your very biased and loaded narrative
Bishop: Shameful as hell to honor a terrorist and murderer of a police officer. These are the radical leftists teaching our children.

Her being branded a terrorist and murderer is something that can be debated upon reviewing the facts of this case and its details.

And the CTU did not honor her for said terror and murder:
"Rest in Power, Rest in Peace, Assata Shakur," the CTU’s post read. "Today we honor the life and legacy of a revolutionary fighter, a fierce writer, a revered elder of Black liberation, and a leader of freedom whose spirit continues to live in our struggle."

And the CTU is not the sole voice and sentiment of Chicago teachers; from a CTU description: The CTU acts as the representative for its members during collective bargaining and grievance resolution, but its influence and voice are distinct from the collective voices of all Chicago teachers.

So it's a huge extrapolation to make a statement like this:
Bishop: This is a big part of why we now see kids rioting against law & order, assaulting anyone who doesn't agree with their radical views, burning cities, fighting with cops, and murdering those who oppose them. They've been radicalized with utter BS by teachers like this.

Bishop: Refute the facts of the article or shut the fuck up with your childish, bitter, low character, weirdo BS.
I just did.

Try and do your homework before you get all indignant and shit about something that is much more complex than radical black terrorist convicted cop killer bad, left worships her; and this is why school kids grow up to be radical leftist lunatics who burn cities, fight with cops, and murder their political opponents.

You're just as bad as Pee Wee German , Pam Blondi Bimbo, and Heil Trump in trying to foment violence against anyone who or any organization that has a differing opinion from the MAGA Cult.

As I always tell you Bishop, you can do better man...

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Medical evidence​

Shakur's broken clavicle was a key element of her defense, and the implications of her injury for the differing accounts of the shootout were points of contention.
A key element of Shakur's defense was medical testimony meant to demonstrate that she was shot with her hands up and that she would have been subsequently unable to fire a weapon. A neurologist testified that the median nerve in Shakur's right arm was severed by the second bullet, making her unable to pull a trigger.[110] Neurosurgeon Dr. Arthur Turner Davidson, Associate Professor of Surgery at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, testified that the wounds in her upper arms, armpit and chest, and severed median nerve that instantly paralyzed her right arm, would only have been caused if both arms were raised, and that to sustain such injuries while crouching and firing a weapon (as described in Trooper Harper's testimony) "would be anatomically impossible".

Other evidence​

According to Angela Davis, neutron activation analysis that was administered after the shootout showed no gunpowder residue on Shakur's fingers and forensic analysis performed at the Trenton, New Jersey, crime lab and the FBI crime labs in Washington, D.C., did not find her fingerprints on any weapon at the scene.

I have no knowledge or opinion of the case you're discussing, but I believe it's usually a mistake to cite wokepedia for any issue that's remotely controversial. Take, for example, that young woman, Sam Nordquist, who identified as a man and was brutally tortured before being killed in NY in February. It took half a year before they'd allow anybody to mention any (actually all) suspects are LGBT folks, or even quote the DA in the matter, and they're still trying to push the event as an example of hatred/persecution of and violence against LGBT folks.

 

[NDWarrior]

Sorry man, I've never heard it called Wokepedia... Nice try.

Just use your brain and read the overview - it's long - She may have participated in the black liberation movement, but she doesn't sound like a killer and I don't think she was ever connected to any bank robbery and convicted (so many indictments so not sure).

The police wanted her convicted and jailed and they tried to get her anyway they could.

The cops testimony sounded very contrived and again, an all-white jury.

You'll never find any proof otherwise either so what's your point?

My main point any was Bishop read a headline in moment's notice and decided to go MAGA rage on "Leftist Lunatics" brainwashed in school by work teachers... Too much of a stretch for again, a very complex case where IMO, there was nothing solid for her convictions, but she was convicted anyway and likely wrongly.

Have a nice night.

 

[SportsingHard]

what's your point?

American media (and hence world media) has an exteme woke bias, and I'm not just using media as a synonym for journalism. The internet and its forum moderation, search engines, AI chatbots, and wikis are mostly biased as fuck. That's my point.

Hell, on the FB boards here, I made a joke about clown-fucking and was accused by staff of kink-shaming and commanded, from a very high horse, to get off my high horse. That pretty much sums up 2025 America.

 

[SportsingHard]

Speaking of the need for classy, reasonable, respectful people inclined to reach across the aisle for the betterment of America, here comes our hero.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Sorry man, I've never heard it called Wokepedia... Nice try.

Just use your brain and read the overview - it's long - She may have participated in the black liberation movement, but she doesn't sound like a killer and I don't think she was ever connected to any bank robbery and convicted (so many indictments so not sure).

The police wanted her convicted and jailed and they tried to get her anyway they could.

The cops testimony sounded very contrived and again, an all-white jury.

You'll never find any proof otherwise either so what's your point?

My main point any was Bishop read a headline in moment's notice and decided to go MAGA rage on "Leftist Lunatics" brainwashed in school by work teachers... Too much of a stretch for again, a very complex case where IMO, there was nothing solid for her convictions, but she was convicted anyway and likely wrongly.

Have a nice night.

I read your original post about Shakur and even read the entire Wikipedia article. It's essentially the defense's side of things, not the overall picture, let alone the prosecution's side. The defense is supposed to spin it and present it to make their client look less guilty. She was FAR from innocent. Not just the particular incident in NJ that got her convicted and imprisoned, but she was strongly suspected of and linked to several terrorist attacks, bank robberies, and murders, including several murders of cops over the previous few years as part of the BLA. There was nothing admirable or honorable about her. She was a straight up domestic terrorist, thief, and murderer.

Even if she wasn't the one who pulled the trigger and killed the NJ state trooper (and the evidence shows she almost certainly was, despite the defense's version), it makes little difference legally. She was involved in the commission of a felony that resulted in a death. By law, she's guilty of murder.

Instead of just reading a very slanted version from Wikipedia or a sympathetic site, read the full story and the prosecution's case too. She was a murderous terrorist who destroyed a lot of families and lives. Nothing honorable about her at all. Even many of the prominent dems in NJ have strongly denounced her and condemned her actions and escape from justice.

 

[NDWarrior]

- Wikipedia is the "defense's side of things" - Wikipedia is sourced by both sides of the spectrum and references are required, so again, nothing is going to be allowed to become very slanted
- "She was string suspected of and linked to several terrorist attacks, bank robberies, and murders, including several murders of cops." Boy are you reaching my friend to double down on and fit your narrative
--- Between April 5th 1971 and January 23rd 1973, Shakur was accused six times for crimes ranging from Kidnapping, to Armed Robbery, Attempted Murder and Murder; on each of the six occasions, Assata Shakur was found not guilty through dismissals, mistrials, acquittals and a hung jury.
--- It later emerged that in 1973; the FBI had two separate task forces (COINTELPRO, CHESROB – which had been an evolution of NEWKILL) attempting to tie Shakur to any and every violent activity on the East Coast of the United States as a way to discredit the Black Liberation Army; by 1972, she was even labeled the “revolutionary mother hen” of a Black Liberation Army cell that had conducted a “series of cold-blooded murders of New York City police officers,” including the “execution style murders” of New York Police Officers.
--- Again, none of this was proven and she only had the one set of convictions for the 1973 NJ Turnpike murder of the NJ State Trooper and the associated charges.
- And again, the court proceedings and circumstances are highly suspect and her being the murderer of the State Trooper is highly debatable; and it was known the FBI wanted her locked up for life or dead as she was a the face and a vocal leader of BLA
- "She was a straight up domestic terrorist, thief, and murderer." Being a leader of the BLA doesn't make her a terrorist or thief (and she wasn't convicted of anything re: these labels); murder yes, which is serious, but that conviction is highly suspect
- "She was involved in the commission of a felony that resulted in a death. By law, she's guilty of murder." -- Again, the whole court case and proceedings are highly suspect so this comment means nothing
- "Instead of just reading a very slanted version from Wikipedia or a sympathetic site..." Who made you an expert on the legitimacy and accuracy of Wikipedia?

- Did some BLA members walking around packing (I'm sure they did, maybe for self defense)
- Did Shakur run around with some unsavory BLA members who committed crimes? Likely, not sure to what extent they committed robberies or terrorist acts, but it sounds like they may have robbed some banks for funding purposes, which of course is wrong; I'm not an expert on the group
- Did any in the group murder cops? Again, I'm not an expert on the group, but it sounds like some members believed in carrying guns when needed for armed resistance (It's not hard to understand in that era how there were likely many cases of police abuses, false convictions, and even murders of black folks being pulled over -- That was a contentious time in our country and conservative white folks, and especially many in the police dept., didn't want to see Black Americans standing up for their rights
- Was she a face for the group? It sounds like it, but it doesn't make her a murderer and terrorist
- And yes, maybe the CTU should have refrained from making the honoring statement since she was controversial, but again, the CTU doesn't represent the minds of ALL Chicago Public Schools (CPS) teachers, most of whom likely never even mention Shakur's name in the classroom


My main point is still that you made widely speculative statements and stretched arguments about the case and CTU statement:
"These are the radical leftists teaching our children. This is a big part of why we now see kids rioting against law & order, assaulting anyone who doesn't agree with their radical views, burning cities, fighting with cops, and murdering those who oppose them."

What a stretch, I don't even know how to respond - There is no logic here -- Just your emotion and desire to have this story fit your conservative narrative that the woke left is contaminating our society... Ridiculous

 

[Irish#1]

I admire your conviction to go that extra mile to support a murderer.

 

[NDWarrior]

I admire your conviction to go that extra mile to support a murderer.

Sorry dude, not very convinced she's a murderer when she's convicted by an all-white jury and other shenanigans involved with this case. w

She was a leader of an activist group which some might call radical but I don't think she's a murderer.
It's terrible that a State Trooper was shot, but we also don't really no what went down and who actually shot the gun that killed the trooper; and there were no body cams back then.

I'm not condoning murder; I'm stating it's highly debatable that she is a cop murderer.
And sure, the CTA should not have made that statement.

But my main point is still that Bishop used a silly argument to tie this case and headline to the woke radicalization of youth today. Just very silly, but thank you for misstating the intention of my comments -- You're the best!