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[RDU Irish]

I can see your points. She is totally the Uniparty's puppet, warmongering Nikki, keep the money flowing.

I think the real question is will Trump go with someone who appeases the swamp this time around. I don't think he will. He already sees that group (Dems and RINOS) as stealing the last election from him, so why bother appeasing them this time?

I could see Ben Carson (who would be good in many ways, awful as a debater). Time will tell. Due to the current state of things all I can say is Trump 2024!

Trump has not articulated a plan for dismantling the swamp. To the contrary he pledged a better, bigly FBI building. He is a profligate spender with no indication that he intends to reign in government spending outside of foreign aid. Every indication is that he thinks we grow our way out of debt. He may not be wrong there to be fair but it does nothing to shrink the leviathan.

 

[bobbyok1]

If Trump wants a shot he probably needs a likable woman VP to help bridge the gap with women voters. I'm not sure if Haley fits the bill, I honestly don't know enough about her. Maybe independents like a boring Pence type next to Trump, but I don't see it.



Trump belittled a lot of opponents leading up to the first election and then later gave them cabinet positions or other once they backed him. He and Christie had a good feud, he then put him as the chair of a new Opoid and Drug Abuse Commission before it was abolished 8 months later

Yeah, I could see him going with a female. But Haley is not the choice. She is phony as they come. Her support is mostly democrats crossing over for a day, she adds almost nothing to a Trump ticket. Independents are anti-war generally speaking and traditionally Democrats have been as well. With Haley being all about the war machine, I have a hard time seeing her as winning anyone over to a Trump ticket. What mommas are out there saying "yeah we need to send my kids into war!" There goes a large portion of the female vote. Trump leads Haley by 20 percent among women in NH when he only leads her by 10 percent among men. Nikki Haley will NOT win women for Trump.

New Hampshire 2024 Poll: Haley Gains, Trump Loses Support but Maintains Lead - Emerson Polling

Haley is Second Choice for 52% of Christie Voters A new Emerson College Polling/WHDH New…Full Release & Results

emersoncollegepolling.com

It's hard to say what female could pull voters for Trump as most of the women that have been named or considered are Trump-like or following the Trump model. Not sure those would pull many women either. Lake, Noem, etc.

But lets be clear, Trump is not struggling with women like he was in 2016, or 2020. He is doing better with women than either of those cycles. Plus I am not convinced in the political philosophy that you have to have a woman to draw female votes. Men that women have confidence in and like are just as good in my view. So, he can pick either a male or a female in my view and get similar results. The key is in the individual he picks.

Charlie Kirk just put out a VP short list that I think is accurate. I don't see Trump picking outside of these. If he and Vivek can make it work, then bring on Vivek. Vivek was far more articulate and bold on a plan to dismantle the Administrative State (Deep State, Swamp, Uniparty, etc). My ideal ticket for a long time was Trump-Vivek.

 

[bobbyok1]

Trump has not articulated a plan for dismantling the swamp. To the contrary he pledged a better, bigly FBI building. He is a profligate spender with no indication that he intends to reign in government spending outside of foreign aid. Every indication is that he thinks we grow our way out of debt. He may not be wrong there to be fair but it does nothing to shrink the leviathan.

Charlie Kirk just put out a VP short list that I think is accurate. I don't see Trump picking outside of these. If he and Vivek can make it work, then bring on Vivek. Vivek was far more articulate and bold on a plan to dismantle the Administrative State (Deep State, Swamp, Uniparty, etc). My ideal ticket for a long time was Trump-Vivek.

Vivek just sacred the crap out of everyone because he seemingly came out of nowhere and said all the right things, a little too well for some. But I think he is legit. He probably misstepped with his "Save Trump" rhetoric towards the end of his campaign in the last few weeks. He is not wrong in one sense, assassination is not out of the realm of possibility for Trump. If he is legit, and is indeed concerned for Trump in that manner, then being his VP would potentially safeguard should the worst case happen. (P.S. Anyone who thinks a Trump assassination attempt is not in the cards is fooling themselves. It is already being mentioned in the MSM).

 

[RDU Irish]

Charlie Kirk just put out a VP short list that I think is accurate. I don't see Trump picking outside of these. If he and Vivek can make it work, then bring on Vivek. Vivek was far more articulate and bold on a plan to dismantle the Administrative State (Deep State, Swamp, Uniparty, etc). My ideal ticket for a long time was Trump-Vivek.

He just sacred the crap out of everyone because he seemingly came out of nowhere and said all the right things, a little too well for some. But I think he is legit. He probably misstepped with his "Save Trump" rhetoric towards the end of his campaign in the last few weeks. He is not wrong in one sense, assassination is not out of the realm of possibility for Trump. If he is legit, and is indeed concerned for Trump in that manner, then being his VP would potentially safeguard should the worst case happen. (P.S. Anyone who thinks a Trump assassination attempt is not in the cards is fooling themselves. It is already being mentioned in the MSM).

Everyone hates politicians but then claim normies "come from nowhere", "can't be trusted" and "have no track record" - same BS was put against Trump now thrown at Vivek. Why is the career politician "track record" never held against them (or for them in the case of Desantis).

I agree that a Trump/Vivek ticket with Vivek driving actual policy implementation could be pretty dynamic. Doug Burgum would be a good choice too if looking to actually get something done.

This time around Trump can point at three wars to zero wars. All the rhetoric that he would lead us into WW3 has been gutted by results that show the sharpest of contrasts. Nobody in their right mind thinks Biden is "safer" than Trump in this regard.

BTW - Tucker Carlson on that list of VP candidates is absurd. Noem would get Palen'd quickly. Vivek brings so much more than JD Vance. Carson is old news and looks like DEI pandering to me. I like Johnson and Paul but I don't see what either brings to the ticket. Donalds would my #2 choice behind Vivek, really like that guy and he knows how to bring it.

 

[drayer54]

Trump is a dick to everyone, he would get over it quick if he thought it benefited him. She is a politician so is she going to turn it down? She has the keys to the uniparty $$$ and supposedly polls well in Trump's weakest demographics (i.e. democrats). Pence was pretty terrible and Trump picked him to look less devilish to the base. Trump could see VP as irrelevant and think he is using her for $$ and votes. Come January 2025..... Epstein didn't kill himself.

Pence was a perfect VP for Trump. Zero scandals. Zero drama. Zero conflicts. Always held the company line. Didn’t give in to stupid post-election requests that would have been bad for Trump. Handled Kamala well in the debate. Not sure what he could have done better.

 

[drayer54]

Charlie Kirk just put out a VP short list that I think is accurate. I don't see Trump picking outside of these. If he and Vivek can make it work, then bring on Vivek. Vivek was far more articulate and bold on a plan to dismantle the Administrative State (Deep State, Swamp, Uniparty, etc). My ideal ticket for a long time was Trump-Vivek.

Vivek just sacred the crap out of everyone because he seemingly came out of nowhere and said all the right things, a little too well for some. But I think he is legit. He probably misstepped with his "Save Trump" rhetoric towards the end of his campaign in the last few weeks. He is not wrong in one sense, assassination is not out of the realm of possibility for Trump. If he is legit, and is indeed concerned for Trump in that manner, then being his VP would potentially safeguard should the worst case happen. (P.S. Anyone who thinks a Trump assassination attempt is not in the cards is fooling themselves. It is already being mentioned in the MSM).

Vivek is a salesman. Has flip-flops galore and too many fundamental errors to be on the ticket. Federalizing elections for example, was prob his most insane take.

The ticket should widen the appeal, not pander to the half of the party already voting for Trump.

He needs a squeaky clean moderate. Kristi Noem banging Lewandowsky prob not smart. Vivek isn’t going to expand the base, neither is Rand Paul,Johnson, or Vance. Vance barely won Red Ohio. Tucker would be a sure loss. Ben Carson doesn’t really get you anything, IMO.

He needs a Haley type to win.

 

[bobbyok1]

Everyone hates politicians but then claim normies "come from nowhere", "can't be trusted" and "have no track record" - same BS was put against Trump now thrown at Vivek. Why is the career politician "track record" never held against them (or for them in the case of Desantis).

I agree that a Trump/Vivek ticket with Vivek driving actual policy implementation could be pretty dynamic. Doug Burgum would be a good choice too if looking to actually get something done.

This time around Trump can point at three wars to zero wars. All the rhetoric that he would lead us into WW3 has been gutted by results that show the sharpest of contrasts. Nobody in their right mind thinks Biden is "safer" than Trump in this regard.

BTW - Tucker Carlson on that list of VP candidates is absurd. Noem would get Palen'd quickly. Vivek brings so much more than JD Vance. Carson is old news and looks like DEI pandering to me. I like Johnson and Paul but I don't see what either brings to the ticket. Donalds would my #2 choice behind Vivek, really like that guy and he knows how to bring it.

I agree on Vivek. I was not one of the ones concerned about him being a trojan horse. I've watched a large number of hours of Vivek in many settings and the dude is impressive. He answers on the spot, articulates clearly, and articulates highly logical and convincing plans for the most part.

I also agree that list by Kirk is not a list of home runs, rather I see it as a likely list of candidates. I wasn't supporting the list, as much as agreeing these were likely people for VP.

Vivek is the best of the list in my view, I think that ticket would be dynamic as well. Carson seems like more of a safe play, but man I cannot get over his low energy, he sounds almost as bad as Biden sometimes even though he is clearly more cognitively sound. Donalds feels a little swampy to me, but if I am wrong then I would agree. Vivek #1, Donalds #2, and for me Carson #3 as a "safe play." I still say Trump-Vivek 2024

Here you go RDU Irish

 

[bobbyok1]

Vivek is a salesman. Has flip-flops galore and too many fundamental errors to be on the ticket. Federalizing elections for example, was prob his most insane take.

The ticket should widen the appeal, not pander to the half of the party already voting for Trump.

He needs a squeaky clean moderate. Kristi Noem banging Lewandowsky prob not smart. Vivek isn’t going to expand the base, neither is Rand Paul,Johnson, or Vance. Vance barely won Red Ohio. Tucker would be a sure loss. Ben Carson doesn’t really get you anything, IMO.

He needs a Haley type to win.

The problem with the bolded is that in Trumps view he got screwed playing the game the first time. He didn't do all he could in his first term because of "moderates" in DC, and then saw his second term stolen in his view by the same "moderates." Trump views moderates as part of "the swamp/uni-party."

I am not convinced at all that he intends to pander to that group this time around. I am not speaking about voters, but politicians. He could surprise me, but I honestly don't see him picking a moderate. A "squeaky clean" VP, yes, I could see that. Which is why I think Carson is a real possibility. Carson has been loyal to him throughout, and is "squeaky clean". Unlike Pence, who basically stabbed him in the back, regardless of what one thinks about the legitimacy of the 2020 election. I just see no way in which he chooses Haley.

Not to mention one of Trumps main accomplishments he touts is "no new wars" were started under his presidency. Haley is widely considered a warmonger. Again, she will not bring in women. So, who exactly is she winning over to a Trump ticket?

Nikki Haley struggles to win Republican women as they stick with Donald Trump before 2024

In the lead up to the first primaries of 2024, Republican women look to be sticking with the former president and holding off on backing Nikki Haley.

www.usatoday.com

From the article "There's no political rule that female voters should support female candidates. But according to an Emerson College poll released earlier this month, just over 70% of Haley’s supporters are men, compared to about 27% women."

 

[RDU Irish]

Vivek is a salesman. Has flip-flops galore and too many fundamental errors to be on the ticket. Federalizing elections for example, was prob his most insane take.

The ticket should widen the appeal, not pander to the half of the party already voting for Trump.

He needs a squeaky clean moderate. Kristi Noem banging Lewandowsky prob not smart. Vivek isn’t going to expand the base, neither is Rand Paul,Johnson, or Vance. Vance barely won Red Ohio. Tucker would be a sure loss. Ben Carson doesn’t really get you anything, IMO.

He needs a Haley type to win.

I think most people realize VP is pretty useless - only loser republicans think the VP needs to be a moderate. Al Gore, Joe Lieberman, John Edwards, Tim Kaine, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris - Dems just keep getting further left. Republicans need to focus on issues and stop pandering to imaginary Democrats that are going to like them if they cave far enough to the left. Stop thinking those commies are going to vote for you - they demonized Mitt Milquetoast Romney for crying out loud. It doesn't get any more moderate than that limp noodle. John McCain didn't lose b/c of Sarah Palin, he lost b/c he was a neocon and we were already war fatigued.

Pick someone that can champion your cause - not a STFU and sit in the back choir boy like Pence. Vivek showed he can hit the trail and articulate full points while Trump loves repeating whatever bumper sticker phrases get the most applause.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

So American voters are stuck w/ the same 80 year old Boomers from 4 years ago to choose from?

I’ve got my dad and two uncles that should run for Senate since the bar is so friggin low. The perks gotta be better than a nursing home or even assisted living. Plus, you have to pay for that…in the Senate they pay you!

 

[dublinirish]

So American voters are stuck w/ the same 80 year old Boomers from 4 years ago to choose from?

I’ve got my dad and two uncles that should run for Senate since the bar is so friggin low. The perks gotta be better than a nursing home or even assisted living. Plus, you have to pay for that…in the Senate they pay you!

80 years old is young by American standards


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[NDMatt91]

So American voters are stuck w/ the same 80 year old Boomers from 4 years ago to choose from?

If only there were something that GOP primary voters could do about that

 

[IRISHDODGER]

If only there were something that GOP primary voters could do about that

Not surprisingly Boomers supporting Boomers. But at the end of the day, you are correct.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

80 years old is young by American standards


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Where are the young 80 year olds that haven’t been exposed as mentally incapable as POTUS on a daily basis like Biden & Trump?

 

[Irish#1]

If only there were something that GOP primary voters could do about that

Not surprisingly Boomers supporting Boomers. But at the end of the day, you are correct.

This isn't any different than Dem voters going with Biden or the younger generations voting for Trump or Biden.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

"The election was stolen" crowd was putting pieces of paper with names on them into grocery bags and popcorn buckets in Iowa. I guess you could say it was secure and fair depending on your standards.

The primary process is so ridiculous.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

"The election was stolen" crowd was putting pieces of paper with names on them into grocery bags and popcorn buckets in Iowa. I guess you could say it was secure and fair depending on your standards.

The primary process is so ridiculous.

If you can’t beat ‘em join ‘em. Seriously though it’s a joke all the way around. The Dems vs Reps has devolved into Arabs vs Jews w/o the violent brutality. All sides are convinced they are in the right & the “good guys” when they’ve deluded themselves into thinking there’s a solution. Voters under 35 have never seen opposing politicians at least be cordial & show respect to each other. Luckily, it likely just leads to gridlock and name calling on Twitter for Dems & Reps. Sadly, for Arabs & Jews; it’s more never ending pogroms against innocents from both sides.

 

[RDU Irish]

It is a primary now - a caucus is when you have to group up and meet a threshold for delegates. At least that is my low level expectation of the thing. I like the true caucus concept - makes it all public and pressures convictions. This was just a raw count.

And those popcorn buckets are at least auditable. Elections don't have to be complicated to be clean.

 

[ulukinatme]

"The election was stolen" crowd was putting pieces of paper with names on them into grocery bags and popcorn buckets in Iowa. I guess you could say it was secure and fair depending on your standards.

The primary process is so ridiculous.

Certainly less efficient, but sadly more transparent than a machine vote. I guess it's more secure too if the camera follows the bag like that. Passing a bag around certainly wouldn't have been my first choice

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

@Jiggafini19Deux Hey, this is me reminding you why you avoid posting in these threads.

 

[ulukinatme]

@Jiggafini19Deux Hey, this is me reminding you why you avoid posting in these threads.

Yeah, the premise is silly. Tell me though, if you had questions about the legitimacy of a vote, which is more transparent:
Option A: Votes going into a bag, on camera, as everyone is watching and then said votes are counted by hand and announced
Option B: Votes go into a machine and the votes are tallied behind a curtain via software
Of the two Option A is clearly more transparent. It's silly, but it would be pretty hard to screw with the vote when so many eyes are on you.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Yeah, the premise is silly. Tell me though, if you had questions about the legitimacy of a vote, which is more transparent:
Option A: Votes going into a bag, on camera, as everyone is watching and then said votes are counted by hand and announced
Option B: Votes go into a machine and the votes are tallied behind a curtain via software
Of the two Option A is clearly more transparent. It's silly, but it would be pretty hard to screw with the vote when so many eyes are on you.

 

[ulukinatme]

You guys really don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to primaries and legitimacy. Two cycles ago you rigged your own in favor of Hillary

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Next month, elementary schools all around the country will have kids collecting valentines in similar fashion.

 

[bobbyok1]

It's Trumps world and all the other candidates are living in it.

 

[bobbyok1]

As others have said on social media, apparently the small, minority, fringe, tinfoil hat, conspiracy theory, weirdos have grown in size. Welcome aboard mates.

 

[Irish#1]

Whether you like him or not, it's going to be Trump running.

 

[RDU Irish]

Would not take much slight of hand to dump a couple extra in there. Do they do anything when they tally up 100 votes for 80 people in the room? See how I can concede flaws in a system in a rational and logical fashion without being a nut?

 

[RDU Irish]

Whether you like him or not, it's going to be Trump running.

Most of Haley's support is Dems crossing over to muck up the R primary. Lots of reports of caucus locations running out of registration change forms and NH is notoriously easy for opposing party to infiltrate.

 

[ulukinatme]

Would not take much slight of hand to dump a couple extra in there. Do they do anything when they tally up 100 votes for 80 people in the room? See how I can concede flaws in a system in a rational and logical fashion without being a nut?

That's where I'm at. It's a crude system, but I don't see how it's easily gamed. If you've got a set number of people you should have the same number of votes at the end. Votes can't really be changed once they're in the bag. I guess the guy reading the votes off could start putting votes for one candidate in someone else's pile, but there are other people seated with him to verify already and I assume they go back and verify the piles at the end.