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[TorontoGold]

@TorontoGold - reminder that it's time to pick up your L.

Elon Musk slams CISA censorship network as 'propaganda platform'

This DHS-backed censorship network used 120 analysts to censor millions of social media posts on elections and covid-19.

kanekoa.substack.com

Straight from the Government-organized "Election Integrity Partnership" program's Final report. Do you find it odd that only rightwing accounts were labeled as the top misinformation spreaders? Do you actually believe that?

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Just another glaring example of Government-directed right wing censorship.

So - do you admit that you were wrong then?

I'm so glad the organization lead by this guy is the one who gave the lovely summary on his substack. The guy is so pumped about DJT's censorship proposals, but his big report is on DJT's FBI? I mean, my goodness they can't stay on message lol. "Government censorship started in 2016" My man is out here saying that the US government started to censor....it's own president who at the time controlled all three houses and put in his own directors of intelligence.



Just so I'm following, the FBI lead by a Republican president, colluded with social media companies to censor the guy who put them in place and who's party they are a part of?

Also the referenced report, made a pretty ugly conclusion "While the Partnership was intended to meet an immediate need, the conditions that necessitated its creation have not abated, and in fact may have worsened. Academia, platforms, civil society, and all levels of government must be committed, in their own ways, to truth in the service of a free and open society. All stakeholders must focus on predicting and pre-bunking false narratives, detecting mis- and disinformation as it occurs, and countering it whenever appropriate."

The report outlines in pretty good detail all the bad faith actors that were identified at spreading misinfo/disinfo. Some here will continue to read and post that garbage. The side that lost had the most claims about election fraud...shocking! censorship!

 

[NorthDakota]

I'm going to apply for a job George Santos style. It could go too far and if I get found out there will be consequences, which appears to be the significant difference.

Bang up job by Democrats and their oppo research on that one.

George O'Leary energy

 

[sixstar]

My man is out here saying that the US government started to censor....it's own president who at the time controlled all three houses and put in his own directors of intelligence.

Correct. That is exactly what happened. Twitter Files confirms it too.

Just so I'm following, the FBI lead by a Republican president, colluded with social media companies to censor the guy who put them in place and who's party they are a part of?

Regardless of who is president, the FBI is heavily leftwing. You know this - everyone does. There has been extensive reporting on this. A Republican President can't change the culture of an organization in 4 years. It would require massive re-org and replacement.

The report outlines in pretty good detail all the bad faith actors that were identified at spreading misinfo/disinfo. Some here will continue to read and post that garbage. The side that lost had the most claims about election fraud...shocking! censorship!

Interesting take. How many references did the report make of leftwing misinfo/disinfo spreaders? How many leftwing accounts were on the lists? You have repeatedly dismissed Government-driven censorship because it didn't negatively impact you personally.

I am absolutely sickened by the COVID censorship, which you ignored here, because I think of all of the lives needlessly lost. That doesn't seem to bother you at all.

Government censorship of any kind is bad. Period. It sets a precedent that enables them to do it in the future. Careful what you wish for because they will do it again, and at some point, it will inevitably impact you. Censorship is not okay even when it benefits your beliefs - it's a dangerous road to travel.

 

[Blazers46]

I'm so glad the organization lead by this guy is the one who gave the lovely summary on his substack. The guy is so pumped about DJT's censorship proposals, but his big report is on DJT's FBI? I mean, my goodness they can't stay on message lol. "Government censorship started in 2016" My man is out here saying that the US government started to censor....it's own president who at the time controlled all three houses and put in his own directors of intelligence.



Just so I'm following, the FBI lead by a Republican president, colluded with social media companies to censor the guy who put them in place and who's party they are a part of?

Also the referenced report, made a pretty ugly conclusion "While the Partnership was intended to meet an immediate need, the conditions that necessitated its creation have not abated, and in fact may have worsened. Academia, platforms, civil society, and all levels of government must be committed, in their own ways, to truth in the service of a free and open society. All stakeholders must focus on predicting and pre-bunking false narratives, detecting mis- and disinformation as it occurs, and countering it whenever appropriate."

The report outlines in pretty good detail all the bad faith actors that were identified at spreading misinfo/disinfo. Some here will continue to read and post that garbage. The side that lost had the most claims about election fraud...shocking! censorship!

This has to be the most ignorant post yet. So you are saying the FBI colluded with Social media at the direction of the President to block a story that would damage the reputation of the other guy? A story that came from Trump's team via the Laptop store owner. You also have to remember this fake Russia investigation ran almost the entirety of Trump's term.

 

[Blazers46]

Correct. That is exactly what happened. Twitter Files confirms it too.



Regardless of who is president, the FBI is heavily leftwing. You know this - everyone does. There has been extensive reporting on this. A Republican President can't change the culture of an organization in 4 years. It would require massive re-org and replacement.



Interesting take. How many references did the report make of leftwing misinfo/disinfo spreaders? How many leftwing accounts were on the lists? You have repeatedly dismissed Government-driven censorship because it didn't negatively impact you personally.

I am absolutely sickened by the COVID censorship, which you ignored here, because I think of all of the lives needlessly lost. That doesn't seem to bother you at all.

Government censorship of any kind is bad. Period. It sets a precedent that enables them to do it in the future. Careful what you wish for because they will do it again, and at some point, it will inevitably impact you. Censorship is not okay even when it benefits your beliefs - it's a dangerous road to travel.

Toronto can't and won't take this L. He calls everyone bootlickers but it's obvious the big ass boot in his mouth.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I got nothing on this one.

 

[sixstar]

Any politician that lied for political gain should be removed from office.
So, that would mean ... everyone. And I'm okay with that. If I hired someone with a falsified resume, I would immediately fire them.

Santos should be gone. So too should Elizabeth Warren who lied about being a Native American for decades. What about Biden's constant false family stories? MSM should demand equal punishments for all fraudulent government servants.

I'm tired of seeing bad actors "represent" me in government. Unfortunately, politics seems to attract all sorts of miscreants on both sides.

 

[Blazers46]

I got nothing on this one.

I’ll raise you a Joe Biden… curious if you have ever heard of him?

 

[sixstar]

@Jiggafini19Deux, I'm curious in your answers:

• What punishment should Santos receive for lying about his background and family? Should he be removed from office?
• What punishment should Joe Biden receive for lying about his background and family? Should he be removed from office?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Any politician that lied for political gain should be removed from office.
So, that would mean ... everyone. And I'm okay with that. If I hired someone with a falsified resume, I would immediately fire them.

Santos should be gone. So too should Elizabeth Warren who lied about being a Native American for decades. What about Biden's constant false family stories? MSM should demand equal punishments for all fraudulent government servants.

I'm tired of seeing bad actors "represent" me in government. Unfortunately, politics seems to attract all sorts of miscreants on both sides.

@Jiggafini19Deux, I'm curious in your answers:

• What punishment should Santos receive for lying about his background and family? Should he be removed from office?
• What punishment should Joe Biden receive for lying about his background and family? Should he be removed from office?

Santos is the story, though, isn't he?

Here is what he's lied about so far that we're aware of:

His heritage.
His mother's death
His campaign funding.
An undisclosed marriage.
His employment background.
Campaign funding.
The Pulse shooting.
Being a criminal in Brazil.
His charity.

This isn't embellishment, misrecollection, stretching the truth, ancestral information passed down from generations that didn't have ancestry.com or political bullshitting. These are substantially misleading lies being told by a political newcomer who is now going to represent a district that really knows absolutely nothing about him (he's not going to resign whatever anyone's opinion is about it).

He'll serve a two year term and probably win another one. Ten years ago this is probably a massive story. Today it's normal. You click, read and move on.

 

[sixstar]

If Santos is the story, why aren't other politicians doing the same things the story as well?
Should we make a list of lies that Biden has told over the past few months as well?

Do we want what's best for America, or what's best for a specific party? I want the former. To me, any politician that lies for political gain should suffer consequences. I don't care if they are red, blue, or any other color on the political spectrum. Politicians - more than any other profession - should be held accountable for lies, fraud, and abuse of power.

But it certainly starts at the top - like it should with any organization. Our President has routinely lied about similar things with no consequences. Why is that a non-story while Santos is? I can't find your post pointing out Biden's lies.

 

[TorontoGold]

FBI - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Is a heavily leftwing law enforcement agency? Oh my. Next thing you know Planned Parenthood is going to be far right.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

If Santos is the story, why aren't other politicians doing the same things the story as well?
Should we make a list of lies that Biden has told over the past few months as well?

Do we want what's best for America, or what's best for a specific party? I want the former. To me, any politician that lies for political gain should suffer consequences. I don't care if they are red, blue, or any other color on the political spectrum. Politicians - more than any other profession - should be held accountable for lies, fraud, and abuse of power.

But it certainly starts at the top - like it should with any organization. Our President has routinely lied about similar things with no consequences. Why is that a non-story while Santos is? I can't find your post pointing out Biden's lies.

The individual in question lied about practically everything about himself. He lied about the high school he went to. I don't know anyone that has ever lied about the high school they went to.

I get what you're saying though. They're all the same. Biden and Santos are the same. You win. Take it home.

 

[Blazers46]

FBI - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Is a heavily leftwing law enforcement agency? Oh my. Next thing you know Planned Parenthood is going to be far right.

On the thought of planned parenthood… Chuck Schumer emphasized our need for immigrants to fill low income jobs and the basis of this argument was low birth rate.

Why not encourage people to have more kids, or any kids for that matter? Isn’t growing the country by birth a more natural way to keep a country thriving? Let’s kill babies and import labor that have zero interest in American values. Seems backward.

But back on topic… you don’t think an agency has the ability to be corrupt or lean one way? That’s like saying just because someone is President of the United States he’s bipartisan because his title says so.

 

[TorontoGold]

On the thought of planned parenthood… Chuck Schumer emphasized our need for immigrants to fill low income jobs and the basis of this argument was low birth rate.

Why not encourage people to have more kids, or any kids for that matter? Isn’t growing the country by birth a more natural way to keep a country thriving? Let’s kill babies and import labor that have zero interest in American values. Seems backward.

But back on topic… you don’t think an agency has the ability to be corrupt or lean one way? That’s like saying just because someone is President of the United States he’s bipartisan because his title says so.

Skilled immigrants should always be welcomed.

There has been one FBI director that was a registered democrat, and that was for like 3 months. It becoming "heavily leftwing" is not a statement made by any reasonable person.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm going to apply for a job George Santos style. It could go too far and if I get found out there will be consequences, which appears to be the significant difference.

Bang up job by Democrats and their oppo research on that one.

Smart move by Santos, right? After all, our POTUS lied embellished his claims and got elected.

 

[Blazers46]

Skilled immigrants should always be welcomed.

There has been one FBI director that was a registered democrat, and that was for like 3 months. It becoming "heavily leftwing" is not a statement made by any reasonable person.

Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. Pretty sure there is enough evidence to say otherwise. But you even admit to ignoring it so... whatevs....

 

[Irish#1]

Skilled immigrants should always be welcomed.

There has been one FBI director that was a registered democrat, and that was for like 3 months. It becoming "heavily leftwing" is not a statement made by any reasonable person.

Never thought you'd be prejudice against unskilled immigrants!

 

[Irish#1]

If Santos is the story, why aren't other politicians doing the same things the story as well?
Should we make a list of lies that Biden has told over the past few months as well?

Do we want what's best for America, or what's best for a specific party? I want the former. To me, any politician that lies for political gain should suffer consequences. I don't care if they are red, blue, or any other color on the political spectrum. Politicians - more than any other profession - should be held accountable for lies, fraud, and abuse of power.

But it certainly starts at the top - like it should with any organization. Our President has routinely lied about similar things with no consequences. Why is that a non-story while Santos is? I can't find your post pointing out Biden's lies.

My favorite is "McDonalds makes you sign a non-compete so you can go across the street and work for burger King. lol

LATEST FALSE FACT-CHECKS ON JOE BIDEN

Joe Biden stated on October 27, 2022 in a speech in Syracuse, N.Y.:
The price of gas is “down from over $5 when I took office.”

Joe Biden stated on October 23, 2022 in a forum with Now This:
Student loan forgiveness is “passed. I got it passed by a vote or two. And it’s in effect.”

Joe Biden stated on July 6, 2022 in a speech in Cleveland:
The “average federal income tax” paid by the richest Americans is “8%. … If you’re a cop, a teacher, a firefighter, union worker, you probably pay two to three times that.”

Joe Biden stated on June 2, 2022 in a speech:
Gun manufacturers are “the only industry in the country” that have immunity from lawsuits.

Joe Biden stated on May 12, 2022 in a tweet:
“When President Biden took office … there was no vaccine available.”

Joe Biden stated on April 11, 2022 in a press conference:
“You couldn’t buy a cannon when, in fact, the Second Amendment passed."

Joe Biden stated on March 1, 2022 in in his State of the Union address:
“I’ve been in and out of Iraq and Afghanistan over 40 times.”

Joe Biden stated on January 11, 2022 in a speech in Atlanta:
As a youth, “I got arrested” protesting for civil rights.

Joe Biden stated on December 12, 2021 in an interview with Rita Braver of CBS:
“I’ve been against that war in Afghanistan from the very beginning.”

Joe Biden stated on November 30, 2021 in a conversation at a technical college in Minnesota:
“I used to drive a tractor trailer … I only did it for part of a summer.”

Joe Biden stated on December 1, 2021 in remarks at the White House:
"The number of small businesses is up 30% compared to before the pandemic."

Joe Biden stated on November 3, 2021 in a news conference.:
“No governor in Virginia has ever won when...he or she is the same party as the sitting president.”

Joe Biden stated on August 20, 2021 in remarks:
Al-Qaida is “gone” from Afghanistan.

Joe Biden stated on July 22, 2021 in a CNN town hall:
"The cost of an automobile, it's kind of back to what it was before the pandemic."

Joe Biden stated on June 23, 2021 in a White House announcement:
"The Second Amendment, from the day it was passed, limited the type of people who could own a gun and what type of weapon you could own.”

Joe Biden stated on May 3, 2021 in remarks on the American Families Plan:
For vaccine rates among Americans 65 and older, “there’s virtually no difference between white, Black, Hispanic, Asian American.”

Joe Biden stated on March 25, 2021 in press conference:
“We’re sending back the vast majority of the families that are coming.”

Joe Biden stated on February 16, 2021 in remarks at a CNN town hall:
"If we kept (the minimum wage) indexed to inflation, people would be making $20 an hour right now.”

 

[sixstar]

There has been one FBI director that was a registered democrat, and that was for like 3 months. It becoming "heavily leftwing" is not a statement made by any reasonable person.

I am a business owner, and I'm the only Libertarian in my company. A majority of my employees are Democrats. Help me understand the connection.

 

[TorontoGold]

Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. Pretty sure there is enough evidence to say otherwise. But you even admit to ignoring it so... whatevs....

That's correct, if you said "the FBI is heavily leftwing" outside of our little IE echo chamber you would 100% be laughed at. A law enforcement agency is not leftwing, by any stretch.

I am a business owner, and I'm the only Libertarian in my company. A majority of my employees are Democrats. Help me understand the connection.

A law enforcement agency is inherently right wing. Not very leftwing to become an FBI agent. Knowing that, an agency run by registered republicans, in a field (law enforcement) that is inherently right wing, historically opposed to leftist ideas - The FBI’s Long History of Treating Political Dissent as Terrorism is going to take more than coordinating mis/dis information survalience with tech companies.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

FBI - FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Is a heavily leftwing law enforcement agency? Oh my. Next thing you know Planned Parenthood is going to be far right.

I know several current and former FBI agents and they all tell me the vast majority of agents are conservative. Even the Democrats.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Why not encourage people to have more kids, or any kids for that matter? Isn’t growing the country by birth a more natural way to keep a country thriving? Let’s kill babies and import labor that have zero interest in American values. Seems backward.

Stop being so obtuse. How is anyone in the middle or working classes supposed to afford families with several children? Where are they supposed to live? How are they supposed to afford childcare? There’s no way one of the parents would be able to stay home.

 

[Blazers46]

That's correct, if you said "the FBI is heavily leftwing" outside of our little IE echo chamber you would 100% be laughed at. A law enforcement agency is not leftwing, by any stretch.

It’s fairly evident the FBI has been weaponized by the left. We can get into stats and political affiliation of the whole but it still doesn’t excuse what’s happened.

The FBI had Hunters laptop but still works with big tech to not only suppress and squash the story but to call it Russian disinformation.

On the flip they investigated Donald Trump his whole term based on nothing. In the absence of anything they offered money to conjure up something.

Left or right… both are wrong. Which heavily influenced opinions and voters near and around election time. If you don’t see a problem with that you’re an idiot. I’ll just assume you’re an idiot because I know you have no problem with either.

 

[Blazers46]

Stop being so obtuse. How is anyone in the middle or working classes supposed to afford families with several children? Where are they supposed to live? How are they supposed to afford childcare? There’s no way one of the parents would be able to stay home.

Reread what I wrote. Stop just arguing for the sake of arguing.

“Encourage people to have more kids”. I am not saying they should go on TV and give a good rah rah speech about having more kids. The only way the government can “encourage” is to better incentivize having kids. Which would include childcare among other things.

 

[TorontoGold]

It’s fairly evident the FBI has been weaponized by the left. We can get into stats and political affiliation of the whole but it still doesn’t excuse what’s happened.

The FBI had Hunters laptop but still works with big tech to not only suppress and squash the story but to call it Russian disinformation.

On the flip they investigated Donald Trump his whole term based on nothing. In the absence of anything they offered money to conjure up something.

Left or right… both are wrong. Which heavily influenced opinions and voters near and around election time. If you don’t see a problem with that you’re an idiot. I’ll just assume you’re an idiot because I know you have no problem with either.

Damn imagine if Wray went in front of congress to discuss an FBI investigation two weeks before the election?

 

[Blazers46]

Damn imagine if Wray went in front of congress to discuss an FBI investigation two weeks before the election?

Imagine they just lie about it… oh wait.

FBI had the laptop way before then even. Never seems like a good time to discuss the investigation?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Last year there was a formula shortage. Now children's tylenol is impossible to find in the middle of cold/ flu season. But we have no problem sending billions to Ukraine. Pathetic.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Last year there was a formula shortage. Now children's tylenol is impossible to find in the middle of cold/ flu season. But we have no problem sending billions to Ukraine. Pathetic.

Are you one of those people that they interview at Trump rallies? Please tell me you understand that a private company’s product shortage has nothing to do with the federal government.

 

[Armyirish47]

Are you one of those people that they interview at Trump rallies? Please tell me you understand that a private company’s product shortage has nothing to do with the federal government.

You dumb bastard, everyone knows you can't fire HIMARS without copious amounts of low levels of acetaminophen floating in grape flavored goo!