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Of course you do. A lying brain dead abortionnpaying for, shitty father and creating babies out of wedlock man will get every single GOP vote meanwhile an actual Christian reverend wont.


This doesn’t sound like a Christian Reverend.

Easter Sunday 2021 he tweeted “The meaning of Easter is more transcendent than the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Whether you are Christian or not, through a commitment to helping others we are able to save ourselves”.

That’s flat out heresy. People condemned his post and he quickly deleted it.
 

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This doesn’t sound like a Christian Reverend.

Easter Sunday 2021 he tweeted “The meaning of Easter is more transcendent than the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Whether you are Christian or not, through a commitment to helping others we are able to save ourselves”.

That’s flat out heresy. People condemned his post and he quickly deleted it.
Lots of allegations were directed at him too. Some from family. But it's all a distraction game. They want people talking about anything but what Warnock voted for and the results of the Biden/Schumer/Pelosi government on Georgians. Herschel shouldn't talk about anything but crime, the economy, inflation, open borders, and spending from Democrats. Warnock isn't good for Georgia and they want people to forget that.
 

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She’s exactly right. Immigration is needed for these types of jobs. Very few working clas Americans would be willing to handpick our food for Pennie’s on the dollar per pound in the fields. If you had any fruit or eggs or bacon this morning, guaranteed that an immigrant had many hands in getting that to your table.

Immigrants are easy to demonize. Always have been no matter their culture.




First half of this video talks about Alabama struggling with agriculture once they kicked out migrant workers. Granted this is Vice, so yes there is a left slant, but it still does give an understanding of the situation when it comes to the fields.
 

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This doesn’t sound like a Christian Reverend.

Easter Sunday 2021 he tweeted “The meaning of Easter is more transcendent than the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Whether you are Christian or not, through a commitment to helping others we are able to save ourselves”.

That’s flat out heresy. People condemned his post and he quickly deleted it.
Heresey? I imagine all religions and and beliefs are very much in the eye of the beholder but its not like that is an outrageous statement. Christain AME and other southern black sects are not Roman Catholics or Pentacostals or JHs or Christain Science, or Mormons....


Easter is upon us, and with that comes memories from our childhood and traditions many of us still try to incorporate into our families. Though our memories of Easter as a child are of fun-filled days decorating and collecting eggs, we have, in adulthood, developed a greater appreciation for the real meaning of the holiday.

Easter is a celebration of the gift God gave us through the death, burial, and resurrection of his Son, Jesus Christ. We should think of God’s ultimate sacrifice as a father by sending His one and only son to take on the atonement for our sins. We should think of all the pain and suffering He went through to provide salvation for us. We should think about love and grace. We should think about redemption and freedom and, most importantly, we should think of victory.

What is the real message of Easter?​

Many Christians believe the central message of Easter is that Jesus died for us so that we could be forgiven for all our sins. However, this forgiveness was also available in the Old Covenant through sacrificing an animal without blemish in the place of the sinner. No, Easter means something much more than just forgiveness. It symbolizes that we, too, can come to the same “resurrection life” that Jesus lived. 1 Corinthians 15 and 2 Corinthians 4:7-12 both remind us that this is the new life that comes from putting your old life to death, which is the sin that lives in our human nature.

The root of all sin is that human beings choose to do their own will instead of obeying God’s perfect will, with the inevitable consequence of death. Jesus overcame death because He always denied His own will to do His Father’s will in a body like ours with the same desires and passions to live for our pleasure and gain. With the power of God’s Spirit, He suffered these passions and desires to death and lived entirely for God’s pleasure, without once sinning, despite being tempted in every way like us. This was the way of the cross that He made for us to follow.

To believe fully in Jesus Christ and His resurrection is to believe in the work in His body here on earth when He destroyed everything that conflicted with God’s will and His Word in His mortal body. He was obedient unto death, every day of His life, and completed the work on Calvary when He cried, “It is finished!” At that moment, all of the indwelling sin in His human nature had been defeated. The way back to the Father was opened up for humanity.

Easter message of hope.​

Easter’s message of hope is no fairy tale or religious device. It demonstrates the love and power of God and His Son for people who are suffering because of sin. God yearns to give each of us true happiness and peace, but the sin we have inherited in our human nature robs us of this.

Jesus did not die merely for our salvation, although he died for that, as described in Isaiah 53:10–12. He also died to free us from sin and its ramifications. Jesus’ resurrection gave us the ability to be released from sin’s power over our life. The resurrection gives us liberating hope. In Romans 6:4-7, Paul put it this way: we were buried with Jesus through baptism into death so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead, we can also live a new life. If we were united with him in a death like his, we would also be connected with him in a resurrection like His.

Perhaps you are feeling bound by the sin in your life. Jesus has hope for you. Jesus’ resurrection can reign in your life and release you from the bondage of sin. Jesus can give you new life. Jesus wants you to be free. Jesus wants to offer everyone in our world the liberty of resurrected life.

Do you have a longing to be set free from the slavery of sin and come to the peace God wants to give you? Jesus has made it possible through the cross, overcoming the power of death by conquering the sin that caused it. Become a true disciple, and follow Him in this way by bringing the sin in your own life into death in obedience to God’s Word! Then you, too, will experience a life of resurrection.

Jesus’ resurrection and ascension offer us the very power of God in our lives, detailed in John 14–16. It gives us a chance to have the transformational power of God as the Holy Spirit working in us. It provides us with the opportunity to be God’s representatives here and now. We can do anything God calls us to do with resurrected life on our side, in us and working through us. The meaning of Easter is resurrection is real and tangible hope right now.


If you cant see how someone would say that this story isnt relatable to many people (not just Christians) all over the world and through time then IDK man... heresey? lol ok.
 
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Heresey? I imagine all religions and and beliefs are very much in the eye of the beholder but its not like that is an outrageous statement.

Easter is upon us, and with that comes memories from our childhood and traditions many of us still try to incorporate into our families. Though our memories of Easter as a child are of fun-filled days decorating and collecting eggs, we have, in adulthood, developed a greater appreciation for the real meaning of the holiday.

Easter is a celebration of the gift God gave us through the death, burial, and resurrection of his Son, Jesus Christ. We should think of God’s ultimate sacrifice as a father by sending His one and only son to take on the atonement for our sins. We should think of all the pain and suffering He went through to provide salvation for us. We should think about love and grace. We should think about redemption and freedom and, most importantly, we should think of victory.

What is the real message of Easter?​

Many Christians believe the central message of Easter is that Jesus died for us so that we could be forgiven for all our sins. However, this forgiveness was also available in the Old Covenant through sacrificing an animal without blemish in the place of the sinner. No, Easter means something much more than just forgiveness. It symbolizes that we, too, can come to the same “resurrection life” that Jesus lived. 1 Corinthians 15 and 2 Corinthians 4:7-12 both remind us that this is the new life that comes from putting your old life to death, which is the sin that lives in our human nature.

The root of all sin is that human beings choose to do their own will instead of obeying God’s perfect will, with the inevitable consequence of death. Jesus overcame death because He always denied His own will to do His Father’s will in a body like ours with the same desires and passions to live for our pleasure and gain. With the power of God’s Spirit, He suffered these passions and desires to death and lived entirely for God’s pleasure, without once sinning, despite being tempted in every way like us. This was the way of the cross that He made for us to follow.

To believe fully in Jesus Christ and His resurrection is to believe in the work in His body here on earth when He destroyed everything that conflicted with God’s will and His Word in His mortal body. He was obedient unto death, every day of His life, and completed the work on Calvary when He cried, “It is finished!” At that moment, all of the indwelling sin in His human nature had been defeated. The way back to the Father was opened up for humanity.

Easter message of hope.​

Easter’s message of hope is no fairy tale or religious device. It demonstrates the love and power of God and His Son for people who are suffering because of sin. God yearns to give each of us true happiness and peace, but the sin we have inherited in our human nature robs us of this.

Jesus did not die merely for our salvation, although he died for that, as described in Isaiah 53:10–12. He also died to free us from sin and its ramifications. Jesus’ resurrection gave us the ability to be released from sin’s power over our life. The resurrection gives us liberating hope. In Romans 6:4-7, Paul put it this way: we were buried with Jesus through baptism into death so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead, we can also live a new life. If we were united with him in a death like his, we would also be connected with him in a resurrection like His.

Perhaps you are feeling bound by the sin in your life. Jesus has hope for you. Jesus’ resurrection can reign in your life and release you from the bondage of sin. Jesus can give you new life. Jesus wants you to be free. Jesus wants to offer everyone in our world the liberty of resurrected life.

Do you have a longing to be set free from the slavery of sin and come to the peace God wants to give you? Jesus has made it possible through the cross, overcoming the power of death by conquering the sin that caused it. Become a true disciple, and follow Him in this way by bringing the sin in your own life into death in obedience to God’s Word! Then you, too, will experience a life of resurrection.

Jesus’ resurrection and ascension offer us the very power of God in our lives, detailed in John 14–16. It gives us a chance to have the transformational power of God as the Holy Spirit working in us. It provides us with the opportunity to be God’s representatives here and now. We can do anything God calls us to do with resurrected life on our side, in us and working through us. The meaning of Easter is resurrection is real and tangible hope right now.


If you cant see how someone would say that this story isnt relatable to many people (not just Christians) all over the world and through time then IDK man... heresey?
Yes heresy!! Telling people that you can save yourselves is in direct contradiction to what the Bible teaches. There is no gray area. There is no “eye of the beholder”.
 

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Yes heresy!! Telling people that you can save yourselves is in direct contradiction to what the Bible teaches. There is no gray area. There is no “eye of the beholder”.
yeah Ill just disagree and my take is that that quote is clearly being twisted. The debate about the importance of personal works and being saved is a long and unending one Im not going to even attempt to get into. Im well aware that many Christians hold fervently that good works in Gods name is a clear path to the eternal home with God
 

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This is dumb as fuck. You got any stats for this? I do. 72% of Dems are aligned with some sort of religion. 28% are not.


Belief in God is not the same as loving God. Satan believes in God.

In that same link, it says only 23% of Democrats believe in absolute standards for right and wrong, and only 25% look to religion for those standards.

So no, my post isn't dumb at all.
 

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yeah Ill just disagree and my take is that that quote is clearly being twisted. The debate about the importance of personal works and being saved is a long and unending one Im not going to even attempt to get into. Im well aware that many Christians hold fervently that good works in Gods name is a clear path to the eternal home with God.
It wasn’t a quote, it was his tweet….. that he deleted. He certainly had a chance to explain what he meant more clearly if it was being twisted…. he did not.

I freely admit that Christians hold a wide range of beliefs on what role “good works” plays in salvation. But at the core was still a belief in Jesus Christ.

Warnocks tweet however included a message specifically to non-Christians that said “Whether you are Christian or not, through a commitment to helping others we are able to save ourselves”. I don’t care how you try to spin that, it’s heresy.
 

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It wasn’t a quote, it was his tweet….. that he deleted. He certainly had a chance to explain what he meant more clearly if it was being twisted…. he did not.

I freely admit that Christians hold a wide range of beliefs on what role “good works” plays in salvation. But at the core was still a belief in Jesus Christ.

Warnocks tweet however included a message specifically to non-Christians that said “Whether you are Christian or not, through a commitment to helping others we are able to save ourselves”. I don’t care how you try to spin that, it’s heresy.
If you think his quote was denying JC then IDK what to say.
 

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Belief in God is not the same as loving God. Satan believes in God.

In that same link, it says only 23% of Democrats believe in absolute standards for right and wrong, and only 25% look to religion for those standards.

So no, my post isn't dumb at all.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO.
Yeah because we all know right and wrong is clearly defined by religions. and is inherent adhereed to by all people the exact same way. All of them. Any of them... they all have a monopoly on morality which isnt subjective at all. lol at Satan reference. LMAOOOOOOO
 

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOO.
Yeah because we all know right and wrong is clearly defined by religions. and is inherent adhereed to by all people the exact same way. All of them. Any of them... they all have a monopoly on morality which isnt subjective at all. lol at Satan reference. LMAOOOOOOO

The original comment was that Democrats hate God. And that post was almost certainly targeted at the Christian God. So we aren't talking about other religions here.

I'm a Christian. I believe in one and only one God and that Jesus is the sacrificed and resurrected Messiah. I believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God and the authoritative source of truth, to include moral standards. I believe that we are saved exclusively by grace through faith. This is the traditional Christian view.

So do a majority of Democrats hate the Christian God? John 14:15.
 

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Isn't the whole point of separating church and state so that you don't have people running purity tests on each other's faith, so that you don't bastardize the message by including politics in it? If you start saying a certain party is representative of a religious belief and then those members do questionable things, this would lessen the religion, no?

Idk though, I'm not a religious person but if I was I wouldn't want anyone to say "pick me because I'm xyz" because in the end most politicians will turn out to be slimeballs.
 

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Isn't the whole point of separating church and state so that you don't have people running purity tests on each other's faith, so that you don't bastardize the message by including politics in it? If you start saying a certain party is representative of a religious belief and then those members do questionable things, this would lessen the religion, no?

Idk though, I'm not a religious person but if I was I wouldn't want anyone to say "pick me because I'm xyz" because in the end most politicians will turn out to be slimeballs.
Don't think your point has anything to do with the legalities of the Separation of church and state, but the bolded is certainly a negative side effect when line between religion and politics gets blurred.
 

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The original comment was that Democrats hate God. And that post was almost certainly targeted at the Christian God. So we aren't talking about other religions here.

I'm a Christian. I believe in one and only one God and that Jesus is the sacrificed and resurrected Messiah. I believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God and the authoritative source of truth, to include moral standards. I believe that we are saved exclusively by grace through faith. This is the traditional Christian view.

So do a majority of Democrats hate the Christian God? John 14:15.
Just know there there are 6 billion other people in the world that dont believe in Christianity and your singular hot take on the matter is wrong.
 

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Isn't the whole point of separating church and state so that you don't have people running purity tests on each other's faith, so that you don't bastardize the message by including politics in it? If you start saying a certain party is representative of a religious belief and then those members do questionable things, this would lessen the religion, no?

Idk though, I'm not a religious person but if I was I wouldn't want anyone to say "pick me because I'm xyz" because in the end most politicians will turn out to be slimeballs.
Some parties in this country WANT a religous purity test.... and they are ok with a violation of their claimed moral superiority to get a political win even if it means electing a braindead, abortion having/paying-for, deadbeat dad with numerous kids out of wedlock who violates every one of their predetermined culture war premisies. lol
 

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Just know there there are 6 billion other people in the world that dont believe in Christianity and your singular hot take on the matter is wrong.

We are talking about US politics, US citizens, and Christianity - specifically regarding my statement implying that the majority of Democrats are not Christians.

Don't confound the discussion with global population and religion - that's off topic. You immediately got off topic and asserted that i was wrong because a poll showed that a majority of Democrats believe in God, and then you brought in other religions and other countries.

on topic: US citizens, US politics, Christianity
off topic: global population, global religion
 

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Isn't the whole point of separating church and state so that you don't have people running purity tests on each other's faith, so that you don't bastardize the message by including politics in it? If you start saying a certain party is representative of a religious belief and then those members do questionable things, this would lessen the religion, no?

Idk though, I'm not a religious person but if I was I wouldn't want anyone to say "pick me because I'm xyz" because in the end most politicians will turn out to be slimeballs.

Don't know if this is pointed toward me or not, but to address your point:

To clarify: I never said that Republicans are representative of the Christian faith. I said that a majority of Democrats aren't Christian. Don't confound the two statements. I'm surprised that people actually see my statement about Democrats and Christianity as controversial, especially when trying to reconcile the Democratic Progressive platform.

For the record, I'm apolitical. I agree that most politicians are slimeballs. I have zero faith that any politician represents my best interest and believe most politicians are self-serving bad actors. I believe that Republican politicians - like Herschel Walker - create false personas to appeal to the Conservative vote, and that this is a ubiquitously common practice from the Reds. I believe that the two party system is detrimental to America.
 

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We are talking about US politics, US citizens, and Christianity - specifically regarding my statement implying that the majority of Democrats are not Christians.

Don't confound the discussion with global population and religion - that's off topic. You immediately got off topic and asserted that i was wrong because a poll showed that a majority of Democrats believe in God, and then you brought in other religions and other countries.

on topic: US citizens, US politics, Christianity
off topic: global population, global religion
It’s totally apposite. A secular nation with freedom of religion isn’t a Christian nation by definition And it’s government isn’t a Christian theocracy. Literally every religion in the world it practices by someone in this country. You are wrong.
 

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Don't know if this is pointed toward me or not, but to address your point:

To clarify: I never said that Republicans are representative of the Christian faith. I said that a majority of Democrats aren't Christian. Don't confound the two statements. I'm surprised that people actually see my statement about Democrats and Christianity as controversial, especially when trying to reconcile the Democratic Progressive platform.

For the record, I'm apolitical. I agree that most politicians are slimeballs. I have zero faith that any politician represents my best interest and believe most politicians are self-serving bad actors. I believe that Republican politicians - like Herschel Walker - create false personas to appeal to the Conservative vote, and that this is a ubiquitously common practice from the Reds. I believe that the two party system is detrimental to America.
Your initial point was that the majority of the Left hates god, implying that instead of the Left being indifferent towards religion it's actually that they're actively anti-religion. Your stance is obviously going to be controversial to those that are on the Left and are religious. Making grandiose statements about things that can't be proven or not based in reality will obviously be treated as inflammatory and I find it hard to believe that wasn't known when making the post.
 

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Don't know if this is pointed toward me or not, but to address your point:

To clarify: I never said that Republicans are representative of the Christian faith. I said that a majority of Democrats aren't Christian. Don't confound the two statements. I'm surprised that people actually see my statement about Democrats and Christianity as controversial, especially when trying to reconcile the Democratic Progressive platform.

For the record, I'm apolitical. I agree that most politicians are slimeballs. I have zero faith that any politician represents my best interest and believe most politicians are self-serving bad actors. I believe that Republican politicians - like Herschel Walker - create false personas to appeal to the Conservative vote, and that this is a ubiquitously common practice from the Reds. I believe that the two party system is detrimental to America.
This is demonstrably false.
 

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Some parties in this country WANT a religous purity test.... and they are ok with a violation of their claimed moral superiority to get a political win even if it means electing a braindead, abortion having/paying-for, deadbeat dad with numerous kids out of wedlock who violates every one of their predetermined culture war premisies. lol
It's quicker just to type his name.

Could you show me where the Republicans announced or posted this predetermined culture premise they all march to?
 

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It’s totally apposite. A secular nation with freedom of religion isn’t a Christian nation by definition And it’s government isn’t a Christian theocracy. Literally every religion in the world it practices by someone in this country. You are wrong.

You are so off topic. I never argued for convergence of religion and state. My statement is that a majority of Democrats do hate God. That's it. Stop extrapolating.

Your initial point was that the majority of the Left hates god, implying that instead of the Left being indifferent towards religion it's actually that they're actively anti-religion. Your stance is obviously going to be controversial to those that are on the Left and are religious. Making grandiose statements about things that can't be proven or not based in reality will obviously be treated as inflammatory and I find it hard to believe that wasn't known when making the post.

I said a majority, not all. Christian Democrats wouldn't get offended by that statement because that statement excludes them.

You make a fair point on the indifference/hate issue. So I'll clarify: a majority of Democrats are actively opposed to Christian values/lifestyle. Do they hate God? I don't know. But do they disapprove of Christianity? I would say absolutely, especially those in the LGBTx and abortion communities.
 

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This is demonstrably false.

Then demonstrate it please.

Look at religious attendance by political affiliation. It's reasonable to assume that practicing Christians attend church, on average, at least once per week. Look at how those weekly attendees align politically.

And that chart is for all religions

 

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Then demonstrate it please.

Look at religious attendance by political affiliation. It's reasonable to assume that practicing Christians attend church, on average, at least once per week. Look at how those weekly attendees align politically.

And that chart is for all religions

I already did and you conveniently avoided it (linked above). 72% of Democrats are affiliated with "A" religion but that doesnt include only Christians which is where YOU diverged. You see in a secular, free religion country like ours there are MANY religions being practiced and Democrats are a part of those religions. You statement is demonstrably false. Your statement that Democrats hate GOD is fucking stupid.

You are hung up on Christianity and church attendance. Guess what. Not all people who are religious go to church. Not all people of all religions have A church. JFC what are you 12? LOL
 

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Perhaps most significantly, “Christians continue to make up a majority of the U.S. populace, but their share of the adult population is 12 points lower in 2021 than it was in 2011.” In particular, the group that is the core of the GOP base is in steep decline: “Today, 24% of U.S. adults describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestants, down 6 percentage points since 2007.” Meanwhile, the religious group that leans heavily to the left is growing: “Currently, about three-in-ten U.S. adults (29%) are religious ‘nones’ — people who describe themselves as atheists, agnostics or ‘nothing in particular’ when asked about their religious identity.”

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Of all religious peoples, only Muslims, Mormons and Protestants or evangelicals are majority Republicans. All other overwhelmingly favor Democrats. Religious affiliation is down across the board and none more so that American Christians

 

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you've lost the plot, bro. not sure what else I can tell you.

I already told you - multiple times - that my statement was about the Christian God, as that was the intent of seekNDestroy's original remark. Nobody on the right is stating that the Left hates Buddha or Ganesh. C'mon now. I can't help you if you refuse to acknowledge that.

And you also need to realize that there are far more people that claim to be religious but are non-practicing. Looking at church attendance is ONE WAY in which you can see a person's involvement in their religion.

Far more people claim to be religious and skip church than have a deep religious commitment and don't attend church. Again, c'mon now.

You keep wanting to make this about all religions. So, show me examples of Republicans claiming that the left hates Buddhist or Hindu gods.

And - let's try to have a civil discussion and skip name calling. You accuse me of being 12, but read the tones of the posts and reassess who is being immature.
 

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I said a majority, not all. Christian Democrats wouldn't get offended by that statement because that statement excludes them.

You make a fair point on the indifference/hate issue. So I'll clarify: a majority of Democrats are actively opposed to Christian values/lifestyle. Do they hate God? I don't know. But do they disapprove of Christianity? I would say absolutely, especially those in the LGBTx and abortion communities.
Ok, so you mean 50.1% of people on the Left disapprove of Christianity. How can you come to that conclusion, and how do you know that to be true?

Even the Pope said "They are children of God and have a right to a family. Nobody should be thrown out or made miserable over it."

So I guess you'll have to go further and explain why anyone that supports the LGBTQ communities can not be someone who approves of Christianity.
 
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