Politics

Politics

  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%
  • a:3:{i:1637;a:5:{s:12:"polloptionid";i:1637;s:6:"nodeid";s:7:"2882145";s:5:"title";s:5:"Obama";s:5:"

    Votes: 130 36.9%

  • Total voters
    352

NDFan4Life

Forum Regular
Messages
1,967
Reaction score
254
Washington area could lose $200 million a day if shutdown occurs, economist says

By Brigid Schulte and Justin Jouvenal, E-mail the writers

The Washington region, home to the largest concentration of federal workers and contractors in the nation, could lose an estimated $200 million a day and could see more than 700,000 jobs take a financial hit if the federal government shuts down Monday night, according to a local economist’s projections.

And that’s not counting the blow to tourism, one of the region’s economic mainstays, if the Smithsonian museums, the National Zoo, Civil War battlefields and other federally funded attractions are shuttered, said Stephen Fuller, director of George Mason University’s Center for Regional Analysis.

“This is serious,” Fuller said. “The national economy may not notice a shutdown much unless it lasts three or four weeks. But for the Washington area, this is a tsunami.”

In addition to the economic impact, area residents could also see cuts in federal services: no new applications for benefits such as Medicare, Social Security and child-care subsidies, no new housing or small-business loans, no new clinical trials for research funded by the National Institutes of Health and a murky prognosis for the safety net for those most in need.

Child-care centers in federal agencies would close, parents said, and child-care workers, who are not employed by the federal government, likewise would be sent home.

Mail will continue to be delivered, as the U.S. Postal Service is an independent agency. Amtrak officials have said trains will continue to run.

And while the District is the only jurisdiction that could have basic services — such as trash pickup and libraries — halted, Mayor Vincent C. Gray (D) is attempting to avoid that by declaring every city employee essential, a distinction that could keep them working through a federal shutdown.

Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D) has been pushing a bill in Congress to exempt the city from a potential shutdown, as it did in 1995, when a federal shutdown had what Norton called a “disastrous” impact on the District.

“It was horrific,” Norton said. “In a shutdown, the garbage does not get picked up, no matter what, for a week. Then you can declare a health emergency.”

‘We’re really bleeding’

The possible shutdown comes at a time when the region’s economy is weak, said Fuller, the economist. The across-the-board sequestration cuts earlier this year cost the region 26,500 net jobs in August, Fuller said. With furloughs and agencies not filling positions, the $42 billion annual federal payroll is down $2 billion from last year, and federal contracting is down $5 billion.

“We’re really bleeding,” Fuller said. “A shutdown will have real costs.”

Fuller, who made his calculations over the weekend thinking that a shutdown would be inevitable, projected that 60 percent of the area’s 377,000 federal workers would be deemed “nonessential” and would stay home.

Likewise, he projected that the shutdown would affect about 20 percent of the government’s contractors, who receive about $75 billion a year from the federal government. And each person furloughed means less money spent at local businesses or vendors, he said.

Rep. Gerald E. Connolly (D-Va.) said a shutdown would have a disproportionate effect on the Washington region, where the federal government’s presence accounts for one-third of the economy.

In 1995 and 1996 — when a political impasse between President Bill Clinton and a Republican-controlled House led by Speaker Newt Gingrich resulted in the shutdown of the federal government for three weeks — several appropriations bills had already passed. This time, not a single appropriations bill has made it through Congress, so a shutdown could affect every federal agency in some way.

Air traffic controllers are considered essential, so planes will fly. But without “nonessential” support staff, those planes could be delayed. Federal benefits may continue to be processed, but with fewer workers to process them, no new applications would be accepted and “serious backlogs” would be expected.

Lawmakers passed legislation to continue paying active military members, but veterans’ benefits could run out if a shutdown lasts more than a few weeks, administration officials have said.

Widespread ripple effects

“The ripple effects of a shutdown can be devastating,” Connolly said. “A federal pullback may mean the difference for state and local governments on whether they can continue Meals on Wheels or hire an additional police officer or do more emergency preparedness training. All of this stuff is under the radar, but it’s very critical to the health of our communities.”

Rep. Frank R. Wolf (R-Va.) is concerned about how a shutdown could affect the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the CIA, the U.S. Marshals Service and other agencies, many of whose employees live in the area. “Congressman Wolf has been saying for weeks that shutting down the government is not a good idea,” said Daniel Scandling, a spokesman for Wolf.

The Congressional Research Service, in a recent report, said the 1996 federal government shutdowns shuttered national parks and monuments, stopped the processing of passport applications and the visa applications of foreigners, halted new patient enrollments in clinical trials at the NIH, and delayed work on bankruptcy and delinquent child-support cases.

In 2011, the federal judiciary estimated that it could operate courts for two weeks after a shutdown but that “serious disruptions” would follow.

The D.C. region could be hit hard by lost income tax revenue from tens of thousands of idled federal workers: Maryland officials estimate the state would lose $5 million a day. Prince George’s County officials say they could lose $270,000 in income tax revenue daily during a shutdown.

To stave off such effects, local governments have been setting aside pots of money in anticipation of a shutdown. Montgomery County accounted for a possible $60 million loss in revenue in its current budget. Arlington County set aside $3 million, and Fairfax County has $8 million. Maryland and Virginia officials say they are looking at the possibility of tapping reserve funds.

Washington area could lose $200 million a day if shutdown occurs, economist says - The Washington Post
 

GoIrish41

Paterfamilius
Messages
9,929
Reaction score
2,119
No furlough for me. Apparently, they consider me "essential" to the DHS.

Unfortunately, three of my coworkers will be furloughed starting at 12 noon tomorrow. I hope this doesn't last long.

Both sides must know that this will hurt the economy and the working families. My guess is that they just don't care. I think it's time to impeach them all and start all over again. It couldn't be much worse than what it is now.

Just left a meeting and found out that I will be considered "essential" too, as will most of the workforce for my organization. Now we get to work with no knowledge of when we will get paid for doing so. Also, we can't take a sick day or a vacation day without losing a day of pay until this furlough concludes.
 

irishpat183

Banned
Messages
5,625
Reaction score
504
Washington area could lose $200 million a day if shutdown occurs, economist says

By Brigid Schulte and Justin Jouvenal, E-mail the writers

The Washington region, home to the largest concentration of federal workers and contractors in the nation, could lose an estimated $200 million a day and could see more than 700,000 jobs take a financial hit if the federal government shuts down Monday night, according to a local economist’s projections.

And that’s not counting the blow to tourism, one of the region’s economic mainstays, if the Smithsonian museums, the National Zoo, Civil War battlefields and other federally funded attractions are shuttered, said Stephen Fuller, director of George Mason University’s Center for Regional Analysis.

“This is serious,” Fuller said. “The national economy may not notice a shutdown much unless it lasts three or four weeks. But for the Washington area, this is a tsunami.”

In addition to the economic impact, area residents could also see cuts in federal services: no new applications for benefits such as Medicare, Social Security and child-care subsidies, no new housing or small-business loans, no new clinical trials for research funded by the National Institutes of Health and a murky prognosis for the safety net for those most in need.

Child-care centers in federal agencies would close, parents said, and child-care workers, who are not employed by the federal government, likewise would be sent home.

Mail will continue to be delivered, as the U.S. Postal Service is an independent agency. Amtrak officials have said trains will continue to run.

And while the District is the only jurisdiction that could have basic services — such as trash pickup and libraries — halted, Mayor Vincent C. Gray (D) is attempting to avoid that by declaring every city employee essential, a distinction that could keep them working through a federal shutdown.

Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (D) has been pushing a bill in Congress to exempt the city from a potential shutdown, as it did in 1995, when a federal shutdown had what Norton called a “disastrous” impact on the District.

“It was horrific,” Norton said. “In a shutdown, the garbage does not get picked up, no matter what, for a week. Then you can declare a health emergency.”

‘We’re really bleeding’

The possible shutdown comes at a time when the region’s economy is weak, said Fuller, the economist. The across-the-board sequestration cuts earlier this year cost the region 26,500 net jobs in August, Fuller said. With furloughs and agencies not filling positions, the $42 billion annual federal payroll is down $2 billion from last year, and federal contracting is down $5 billion.

“We’re really bleeding,” Fuller said. “A shutdown will have real costs.”

Fuller, who made his calculations over the weekend thinking that a shutdown would be inevitable, projected that 60 percent of the area’s 377,000 federal workers would be deemed “nonessential” and would stay home.

Likewise, he projected that the shutdown would affect about 20 percent of the government’s contractors, who receive about $75 billion a year from the federal government. And each person furloughed means less money spent at local businesses or vendors, he said.

Rep. Gerald E. Connolly (D-Va.) said a shutdown would have a disproportionate effect on the Washington region, where the federal government’s presence accounts for one-third of the economy.

In 1995 and 1996 — when a political impasse between President Bill Clinton and a Republican-controlled House led by Speaker Newt Gingrich resulted in the shutdown of the federal government for three weeks — several appropriations bills had already passed. This time, not a single appropriations bill has made it through Congress, so a shutdown could affect every federal agency in some way.

Air traffic controllers are considered essential, so planes will fly. But without “nonessential” support staff, those planes could be delayed. Federal benefits may continue to be processed, but with fewer workers to process them, no new applications would be accepted and “serious backlogs” would be expected.

Lawmakers passed legislation to continue paying active military members, but veterans’ benefits could run out if a shutdown lasts more than a few weeks, administration officials have said.

Widespread ripple effects

“The ripple effects of a shutdown can be devastating,” Connolly said. “A federal pullback may mean the difference for state and local governments on whether they can continue Meals on Wheels or hire an additional police officer or do more emergency preparedness training. All of this stuff is under the radar, but it’s very critical to the health of our communities.”

Rep. Frank R. Wolf (R-Va.) is concerned about how a shutdown could affect the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the CIA, the U.S. Marshals Service and other agencies, many of whose employees live in the area. “Congressman Wolf has been saying for weeks that shutting down the government is not a good idea,” said Daniel Scandling, a spokesman for Wolf.

The Congressional Research Service, in a recent report, said the 1996 federal government shutdowns shuttered national parks and monuments, stopped the processing of passport applications and the visa applications of foreigners, halted new patient enrollments in clinical trials at the NIH, and delayed work on bankruptcy and delinquent child-support cases.

In 2011, the federal judiciary estimated that it could operate courts for two weeks after a shutdown but that “serious disruptions” would follow.

The D.C. region could be hit hard by lost income tax revenue from tens of thousands of idled federal workers: Maryland officials estimate the state would lose $5 million a day. Prince George’s County officials say they could lose $270,000 in income tax revenue daily during a shutdown.

To stave off such effects, local governments have been setting aside pots of money in anticipation of a shutdown. Montgomery County accounted for a possible $60 million loss in revenue in its current budget. Arlington County set aside $3 million, and Fairfax County has $8 million. Maryland and Virginia officials say they are looking at the possibility of tapping reserve funds.

Washington area could lose $200 million a day if shutdown occurs, economist says - The Washington Post



I just love this stuff....Instead of cutting bullshit and pork...they threaten the citizens and their way of life.

Let's not be naive, it all can be avoided. They just want us to pay for their screw ups.

This is just like when BO was telling us that SS checks wouldn't go out if the debt ceiling wasn't raised...LOL. Sure., you're going to **** off senior voters if you don't get more credit?




Let them shut down. Lord knows we'd all have to save a bit better and be a little more responsible for ourselves!!! OHHHH NOOOO!!!!!
 

NDFan4Life

Forum Regular
Messages
1,967
Reaction score
254
Just left a meeting and found out that I will be considered "essential" too, as will most of the workforce for my organization. Now we get to work with no knowledge of when we will get paid for doing so. Also, we can't take a sick day or a vacation day without losing a day of pay until this furlough concludes.

Yeah. No vacation time or requested time off for us either. I hope this doesn't last long. I'm done hoping it doesn't happen. It's inevitable. Neither side wants to compromise.
 

NDFan4Life

Forum Regular
Messages
1,967
Reaction score
254
I just love this stuff....Instead of cutting bullshit and pork...they threaten the citizens and their way of life.

Let's not be naive, it all can be avoided. They just want us to pay for their screw ups.

This is just like when BO was telling us that SS checks wouldn't go out if the debt ceiling wasn't raised...LOL. Sure., you're going to **** off senior voters if you don't get more credit?




Let them shut down. Lord knows we'd all have to save a bit better and be a little more responsible for ourselves!!! OHHHH NOOOO!!!!!

I don't make much money where I work, and I could use every single dime. I have a mortgage, and bills to pay just like everyone else.

It's easy to say, "Let them shut down" when you don't have a horse in the race.
 

GoIrish41

Paterfamilius
Messages
9,929
Reaction score
2,119
Yeah. No vacation time or requested time off for us either. I hope this doesn't last long. I'm done hoping it doesn't happen. It's inevitable. Neither side wants to compromise.

I have a co-worker who is scheduled for a family vacation to Europe starting Wednesday, and she is torn as to whether she should cancel and loose thousands in deposits or go and lose thousands in pay, even though she has plenty of vacation to use. I feel for bad for her.
 

Polish Leppy 22

Well-known member
Messages
6,594
Reaction score
2,009
I just love this stuff....Instead of cutting bullshit and pork...they threaten the citizens and their way of life.

Let's not be naive, it all can be avoided. They just want us to pay for their screw ups.

This is just like when BO was telling us that SS checks wouldn't go out if the debt ceiling wasn't raised...LOL. Sure., you're going to **** off senior voters if you don't get more credit?




Let them shut down. Lord knows we'd all have to save a bit better and be a little more responsible for ourselves!!! OHHHH NOOOO!!!!!

It happens every weekend and holiday. Somehow we all manage to get by...
 

autry_denson

Active member
Messages
514
Reaction score
150
"We have people in the conference, I believe, who'd be just as happy to have the government shutdown," King said. "They live in these narrow echochambers. They listen to themselves and their tea party friends. That keeps them going, forgetting that the rest of the country thinks we're crazy."


This is what happens when a bunch of really stupid people get elected to congress.
 

irishpat183

Banned
Messages
5,625
Reaction score
504
Don't feed me this "worlds gonna end" crap if they shut down...

A couple of weeks back we were talking about spending ****ing millions on bombing Syria...now we're gonna tell people that we're scraping just to pay the bills???


What THE **** am I missing here? Lol
 

BobD

Can't get no satisfaction
Messages
7,918
Reaction score
1,034
Tonight I'm way watching MNF, baseball and the news.

Miami vs New Orleans

Tampa Bay vs Texas

Republicans vs Democrats
 

Irish Insanity

Well-known member
Messages
9,885
Reaction score
584
I don't believe I've posted in this thread and there are 9187 posts. Anything good? Not really wanting to read thru it all.
 

connor_in

Oh Yeeaah!!!
Messages
11,433
Reaction score
1,006
Just saw a funny random tweet

We have to shut the govt down to find out what's in it
 

BobD

Can't get no satisfaction
Messages
7,918
Reaction score
1,034
20 minutes.

I know there are many who would disagree with me, but I feel like we're watching the struggling death of a once great Republican party.
 

BobD

Can't get no satisfaction
Messages
7,918
Reaction score
1,034
closed.gif
 

phgreek

New member
Messages
6,956
Reaction score
433
Just left a meeting and found out that I will be considered "essential" too, as will most of the workforce for my organization. Now we get to work with no knowledge of when we will get paid for doing so. Also, we can't take a sick day or a vacation day without losing a day of pay until this furlough concludes.

Sorry...whatever our opinions, I don't wish the affects of dysfunctional government on you guys...sucks.
 

Irish Insanity

Well-known member
Messages
9,885
Reaction score
584
I just saw a pic that shows whats affected by a government shutdown. Appears there will be no gun permits issued during it. So this is what gun contol comes to? Shutting the government down to make it happen.
 

phgreek

New member
Messages
6,956
Reaction score
433
I should've known you worked for the Government. Now all of that garbage from the Reilly thread makes so much sense. As is how you would get into a "hiring position" with your "employer."

I'm sorry but there is a tremendous amount of labor (and other) waste in the Government. Anyone who has done consulting work for them knows this. Veteran Affairs is the worst offender I've seen... usually about 5 people to do the job of 1 person. Most people take 2 hour lunches and half days on Friday. And when you're consulting for them, they expect you to just do their work for them while they sit around and Facebook. Other branches are far better, but there are still bad apples with every agency I've worked with. Friend from IBM told me at the USPS there was an employee who did nothing but plan birthdays. Seriously.

I feel bad for the people who are truly hard workers. There are a lot of them I've run into. Mostly in CBP, DHS, and military agencies. But there are a whole lot of entitled, lazy, and stupid people that would be fired at any respectable private corporation. This is one of the reasons many people support the idea of the ACA and what it stands for while being opposed to the actual law and its implementation... because they don't trust a Government that has something as publicly dysfunctional as Congress, or they've dealt with the bad apples I've mentioned and that has jaded them.

I support the ACA on many levels, but I truly fear a single-payer system run like the Veteran Affairs healthcare system. Having seen that first hand, if a Government healthcare program is run anything remotely like that all this talk about "efficiency" is beyond a joke. And there's no real reason to expect it to be better. When is the last time anything other than the military was run well?

My experience kinda brings me to similar conclusions...with the additional concern of the IRS having recently shown it can be weaponized, aimed, and fired by political motive.
 

phgreek

New member
Messages
6,956
Reaction score
433

hey, can you recommend an alternative source of the liberal point of view, or suitable substitute...say where someone randomly kicks me in the nuts and blames me...while you are closed...:)!
 

NDFan4Life

Forum Regular
Messages
1,967
Reaction score
254
Furlough letters going out this morning. Anyone who receives one, does not get paid. As I said yesterday, Congress only cares about getting their pockets lined and keeping their special interests happy. This whole thing boils down to the greediness of our public servants. I hope they're all happy. At least they're getting paid for doing absolutely nothing.
 

Kanye West

Yeezus
Messages
1,037
Reaction score
43
I hope the government workers switch over succcesfully transfer to the private sector. The whole point of government branches is because its believed that people trust that the government and not private sectors. The government should do things regulate and protect.
 

Polish Leppy 22

Well-known member
Messages
6,594
Reaction score
2,009
Furlough letters going out this morning. Anyone who receives one, does not get paid. As I said yesterday, Congress only cares about getting their pockets lined and keeping their special interests happy. This whole thing boils down to the greediness of our public servants. I hope they're all happy. At least they're getting paid for doing absolutely nothing.

Back in the day the fellows in Washington worked for free because it was considered to be public service.

Let's make the salaries $40k and see who signs up. No more career politicians becoming millionaires (somehow) like John McCain and Harry Reid.
 

irishpat183

Banned
Messages
5,625
Reaction score
504
20 minutes.

I know there are many who would disagree with me, but I feel like we're watching the struggling death of a once great Republican party.

We know Bob.....We watched that cesspool of a state CA do the same thing. And NY.


But democrats are doing SUCH a bangup job in those blue states.....
 

NDFan4Life

Forum Regular
Messages
1,967
Reaction score
254
Back in the day the fellows in Washington worked for free because it was considered to be public service.

Let's make the salaries $40k and see who signs up. No more career politicians becoming millionaires (somehow) like John McCain and Harry Reid.

Those days are gone forever. Greed has taken over and will never go away.

I'm a big proponent of term limits. 4 years, and your a$$ is gone. No retirement benffits, no special healtcare for life, no special perks. Go out and join the public sector.
 

irishpat183

Banned
Messages
5,625
Reaction score
504
I hope the government workers switch over succcesfully transfer to the private sector. The whole point of government branches is because its believed that people trust that the government and not private sectors. The government should do things regulate and protect.

THey can't work in the private sector...you actually have to work and save your own money for retirement. Oh, and you can be fired for not doing your job.


LOL
 

irishpat183

Banned
Messages
5,625
Reaction score
504
Those days are gone forever. Greed has taken over and will never go away.

I'm a big proponent of term limits. 4 years, and your a$$ is gone. No retirement benffits, no special healtcare for life, no special perks. Go out and join the public sector.

They should actually be paid the median income in their districts...we could start there and like you said, term limits
 
Top