Politics

[TheRealLynch51]

He's right.

Look at this next generation of brats. Who would rather watch Kim Kardashian and major in art histroy, than learn something useful.

And when they don't get paid, turns out art history doesn't pay well, they whine and complain and sit on the front steps of some investment firm that they think robbed them of their future (but it's the same firm that has helped their mother and father retire with ease and pay for their 4 years of wasted "education").

So they move back in their parents house, work part time making over-priced coffee, while texting from a smart phone made by one of those "evil" corporations they hate, with a pile of student debt that they'll never pay off because of "evil loan givers" and their deceptive loan practices. They blame everyone for everything and can't understand why no one will hire them and their face metal and neck tats. It's a form of "expression" ya know?

Yes. There are millions of these little a%%holes out there. And those making a living and paying off their debt are picking up the tab. My children and your children will be picking up their tab. Because government NEEDS to help them.

This is why we are broke, gentlemen. The art history major generation. Like Polish said...wait until art history major actually grows up and has kids.

I call straight BULLSHIT. How can you take one small sample of an entire generation and generalize the whole damn thing? I went to a good school, I got a good job, and I didn't major in some bullshit degree like art history. Just because you're a salty older fart who hates everything about this country does not mean that everyone in your age range thinks and acts the same way as you do. The vast majority of people who go to a good school and not SouthWestern State A&M Bullshit university get good jobs. Take a walk away from Fox News and CNNs for a second and realize that my generation IS getting jobs in respectable fields, but the media would rather harp on the minority who major in bullshit jobs. If you are going to pigeonhole an entire generation, at least do it with the majority of it.

 

[Buster Bluth]

He's right.

Look at this next generation of brats. Who would rather watch Kim Kardashian and major in art histroy, than learn something useful.

And when they don't get paid, turns out art history doesn't pay well, they whine and complain and sit on the front steps of some investment firm that they think robbed them of their future (but it's the same firm that has helped their mother and father retire with ease and pay for their 4 years of wasted "education").

So they move back in their parents house, work part time making over-priced coffee, while texting from a smart phone made by one of those "evil" corporations they hate, with a pile of student debt that they'll never pay off because of "evil loan givers" and their deceptive loan practices. They blame everyone for everything and can't understand why no one will hire them and their face metal and neck tats. It's a form of "expression" ya know?

Yes. There are millions of these little a%%holes out there. And those making a living and paying off their debt are picking up the tab. My children and your children will be picking up their tab. Because government NEEDS to help them.

This is why we are broke, gentlemen. The art history major generation. Like Polish said...wait until art history major actually grows up and has kids.

Bullshit.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Bullshit.

I agree.

 

[chicago51]

I'm 25. I would like to point out that many young people do work hard. We have to deal with an economy that all but requires a higher education to be successful. To go along with that tuition has gone up at a crazy rate. There are many young people that go to class full time, work a job, and take on tons of debt just to make it.

The polish leapy mentioned entitlements. It is not just the under 30 voters in America that are defending entitlements. I would love to see a candidate come out and run a platform of ending SS, Medicare, and Medicaid completely. No window dressing like we got now, just come out and say it. They would get crushed! At least in any statewide or national election.

Americans support these programs. Believe it or not I don't think Americans are selfish. I think there is a general belief that we should look out for one another. Look at how we respond during disasters. I don't think this every man and women for themselves is the attitude of the majority of the country or most republicans.

There is a fair debate about how much is helping and how much is enabling. There is are Americans that are concerned and fairly so about accountability efficiency and limiting abuse of the system. We call them moderate republicans. This idea put fourth that people should step all over each other may the strong survive is not the idea most Americans share. At least I don't think.

 

[irishpat183]

Bullshit.

And that's the problem your way of thinking.


Pass along the debt, who gives a damn, but dont worry someone else will be the hard worker and cover for you, it's not your fault.


That, my friend, is bullshit.

 

[irishpat183]

I'm 25. I would like to point out that many young people do work hard. We have to deal with an economy that all but requires a higher education to be successful. To go along with that tuition has gone up at a crazy rate. There are many young people that go to class full time, work a job, and take on tons of debt just to make it.

The polish leapy mentioned entitlements. It is not just the under 30 voters in America that are defending entitlements. I would love to see a candidate come out and run a platform of ending SS, Medicare, and Medicaid completely. No window dressing like we got now, just come out and say it. They would get crushed! At least in any statewide or national election.

Americans support these programs. Believe it or not I don't think Americans are selfish. I think there is a general belief that we should look out for one another. Look at how we respond during disasters. I don't think this every man and women for themselves is the attitude of the majority of the country or most republicans.

There is a fair debate about how much is helping and how much is enabling. There is are Americans that are concerned and fairly so about accountability efficiency and limiting abuse of the system. We call them moderate republicans. This idea put fourth that people should step all over each other may the strong survive is not the idea most Americans share. At least I don't think.

Those Americans that support those programs because they don't know any better and have become dependents. If they knew where those programs were headed, they'd likely change their tune. And I doubt the amount support it as many as you think.

Does the average American know that SS isn't guaranteed?? It's right there on your statement. Read it next time. It was never intended to be a retirment account. But most people just assume that SS is a right and it will never go away. There is a reason that government now wants to have a hand in 401k's! They know they can't keep up and SS will dry out because of how they've raped that account over the years.

But they've been spoonfed this crap about the government providing retirement, health care, food, shelter........See where I'm going.......And then demonize those that would rather just take care of themselves first, then help if they can.

Will entitlements ever go away? No. There is too many votes at stake. But is a day going to come when we just simply can't afford them due to the way we just hand them out and assume "the rich" will pay for it. With every generation (just look at the amount of people have gone on public assistance in the last 10 years) we add more and more people to the tab.

How some of you cannot see this is beyond me.

 

[irishpat183]

I call straight BULLSHIT. How can you take one small sample of an entire generation and generalize the whole damn thing? I went to a good school, I got a good job, and I didn't major in some bullshit degree like art history. Just because you're a salty older fart who hates everything about this country does not mean that everyone in your age range thinks and acts the same way as you do. The vast majority of people who go to a good school and not SouthWestern State A&M Bullshit university get good jobs. Take a walk away from Fox News and CNNs for a second and realize that my generation IS getting jobs in respectable fields, but the media would rather harp on the minority who major in bullshit jobs. If you are going to pigeonhole an entire generation, at least do it with the majority of it.

Again, I'm 31 years old. And Its not everyone in that generation. I'm saying that it's those people from that generation that are dragging us down.

And where is "Southwestern state A&M Bullshit university"? Do they have a good Mass comm program?


What's ironic, is I graduated with a "bullshit" degree (Mass Comm from Sam Houston States Dan Rather school of communications) and knew right after graduation that it wasn't going to pay for the kind of lifestyle that I thought. So I switched careers and now make a great living. My attitude is towards those that, insteading of adapting, they simply give up and whine and cry about their situtaion. And yes. There are a lot more of those with every generation, than those that do something about it.

 

[Irish8248]

Reform Does not equal abolishing... It means Reform!

 

[chicago51]

And that's the problem your way of thinking.


Pass along the debt, who gives a damn, but dont worry someone else will be the hard worker and cover for you, it's not your fault.


That, my friend, is bullshit.

I have you paid attention to any of Buster's economic views? That is not his philosophy.

 

[irishpat183]

Reform Does not equal abolishing... It means Reform!

This was my biggest issue with the ACA (that and no one bothered to actually read the bill before the vote)...

I was all for reform. There had to be tweeks made (like pre-existing)..

But an entire overhaul was just a bad idea.

 

[irishpat183]

I have you paid attention to any of Buster's economic views? That is not his philosophy.

Ehhh...Maybe I tied him into the other two that commented before.

I apologize if he doesn't fall into that category

 

[chicago51]

Reform Does not equal abolishing... It means Reform!

True reform means reform which includes addressing curbing the cost of health care. Letting Medicare negotiate its own drug prices for part D is big one.

If you just cut particularly with Medicare a decade from now you are going to be back in the same position. With rising health care cost just cutting benefits or even raising the age won't fix anything long term. We will be at the point of abollishment before you know it.

 

[Downinthebend]

We have actually work that can and needs to be done. We wouldn't be just digging holes.

1- Fix our many outdated roads and bridges

2- Transportation (High Speed Rail) - Having an outdated rail structure is going to put us behind in the global economy.

3- Modernizing our Power - If even if you don't believe in climate change. Even if you do not believe that anything we did would make a difference. When other coutries like say China are producing more and more electricity from cheaper and renewable sources of energy it is going put us behind the global economy if we don't keep up.

4- Better fiberoptic internet network- Our broadband is alright. However other countries are better. South Korea just put in a new fiberoptic network it has done wonders for business. Plus the network is can be used by anyone not just the private company that built, so high speed internet in places like Europe, Japan, South Korea is way cheeper than in the United States.

If people don't think having good roads and bridges that are all up to code, having a rail transit system that can efficently move people, materials, and equipment, having sources of energy that is not going to be effected by the price of the oil, and having a state of the ark telecommunication and internet network is going help business then I can't help you.

How would anything I mentioned not benefit business?

If you think there is a lack of infrastracture or what ever, show the need. Then the reason to fix the roads or w.e. would be because roads are bad and need fixing. If on the otherhand you want stimulus for stimulus then lets have that discussion. I'd like to suggest that the effects from stimulus aren't beneficial over the long term.

There is. Cut entitlements.

Then we have tons of money to build eletric roads and worthless solar panels/wind towers that pollute and cost more to make than what we have now. But hey! They look cool and seem "progressive".


SS, Medicare, Welfare....cut them all to the absolutle min. Make those people work on the roads. After about a month of that kinda work, they'll find other jobs.

We can end/cut alot of stuff. Lets cut the military by 30% tomorrow. Lets start entitlement reform (although we can (and should) care for the people that the government tricked to not be dependent on themselves). Lets end the Fed, lets cut all unconstitutional federal funding. Lets slash federal income tax rates across... everything. Hell, lets end the federal income tax. Lets stop enforcing morality/lifestyle choices in the form of the definition of marriage or the drug war. Lets not blow up our own or other's children (or for that matter any innocents). Lets not have our military messing around in two unconstitutional wars. Lets reevaluate our overseas empire (we have troops in over 130 countries). Lets stop terrorizing innocent people with drones. Lets be pro life at home, and abroad. Lets not hold people indefinetly without issuing any charges. Lets not persecute whistleblowers (I thought Obama said he would have the most transparent presidency ever?).

Lets not think that somehow being a part of "government" gives you a license to act immorally.

Lets start addressing problems where they can be best addressed, at the family, private, and social levels. If you think X drug is bad, convince people, don't point guns. if you think evolution is false heresy, more power to you, convince people.

Also lets end the idea that somehow the supreme court is the end-all interpretor of the constitution, hell, while at it, lets end both parties cherry picking the constitution to do whatever they want. Lol at people who don't understand the commerce clause, the neccessary and proper clause, and the general welfare clause. Use critical reading skills, instead of saying to yourself "How can I stretch this document to support my interests".

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Health care costs are a function of:

[Costs of inputs] +
[Regulatory costs] +
[Potential legal liabilities (malpractice) & insurance] +
[Increases in consumption through use of 3rd party payors] +
[Anti-competitive pricing, if applicable]

If you want to curb costs, just aim at one of these items.

 

[irishpat183]

True reform means reform which includes addressing curbing the cost of health care. Letting Medicare negotiate its own drug prices for part D is big one.

If you just cut particularly with Medicare a decade from now you are going to be back in the same position. With rising health care cost just cutting benefits or even raising the age won't fix anything long term. We will be at the point of abollishment before you know it.

Problem is, you can't really say youre addressing "rising costs" if youre just going to pull the money outta my other pocket with taxation on everything else.

We're gonna save you money on health care...but backdoor you on everythign else with "medical tax" fees on purchases like fishing equipment.

 

[irishpat183]

Health care costs are a function of:

[Costs of inputs] +
[Regulatory costs] +
[Potential legal liabilities (malpractice) & insurance] +
[Increases in consumption through use of 3rd party payors] +
[Anti-competitive pricing, if applicable]

If you want to curb costs, just aim at one of these items.

The two biggest IMO that can be cut immediately. The amount of red tape (in really ANY industry) is absurd.

And friviolous lawsuits are a HUGE problem.

 

[Buster Bluth]

And that's the problem your way of thinking.

Pass along the debt, who gives a damn, but dont worry someone else will be the hard worker and cover for you, it's not your fault.

That, my friend, is bullshit.

No no. It's bullshit for a number of other reasons.

Art History majors make up just .2% of college degrees awarded, and many of them are double majors with Education or Business. Humanities majors in general only make up 12% of college degrees. Business, STEM majors, and economics make up more than 50% of majors. Do you know what major typically has the highest unemployment? Architecture. I'm in Ohio State's Knowlton School of Architecture...so wish me luck haha Hell, people will law degrees are struggling to find work all over the place, and super complex degrees like Organic Chemistry like are struggling too. Those are all very bright people in those fields and it's not a pretty outcome. Bottom line, there is no easy way to slice it.

A bigger reason for unemployment recent graduates is that baby boomers are working longer and longer, and these companies have automated so many of the entry positions. Efficiency reduced the need for people, we are seeing that all over the place. People who claim that a useless major did someone in (which can be true) or that a person is just lazy (which can be true) are so freaking off base isn't silly.

To my knowledge, the only major that basically guarantees you a job is nursing. I don't think I've ever met an unemployed nurse. But even this won't last.

I fear what will happen when we've become so efficient that unemployment for high school graduates is 40%, or 60%. Sure, they can all go "work on the roads" or become a plumber....but we only need so many plumbers too. There are some weird times ahead, I'm certain of that.

 

[irishpat183]

No no. It's bullshit for a number of other reasons.

Art History majors make up just .2% of college degrees awarded. Humanities majors in general only make up 12% of college degrees. Business, STEM majors, and economics make up more than 50% of majors. Do you know what major typically has the highest unemployment? Architecture. I'm in Ohio State's Knowlton School of Architecture...so wish me luck haha Hell, people will law degrees are struggling to find work all over the place, and super complex degrees like Organic Chemistry like are struggling too. Those are all very bright people in those fields and it's not a pretty outcome. Bottom line, there is no easy way to slice it.

A bigger reason for unemployment recent graduates is that baby boomers are working longer and longer, and these companies have automated so many of the entry positions. Efficiency reduced the need for people, we are seeing that all over the place. People who claim that a useless major did someone in (which can be true) or that a person is just lazy (which can be true) are so freaking off base isn't silly.

To my knowledge, the only major that basically guarantees you a job is nursing. I don't think I've ever met an unemployed nurse. But even this won't last.

I fear what will happen when we've become so efficient that unemployment for high school graduates is 40%, or 60%. Sure, they can all go "work on the roads" or become a plumber....but we only need so many plumbers too. There are some weird times ahead, I'm certain of that.

Fair enough.


However, I would also say that no degree is "guaranteed" a job. And I think that college grads come out of school with that attitude "Look at my piece of paper! Now give me a job"...

Right after Architecture, a study from Georgetown pegs the Fine Arts (12.6% unemployement rate) #1, Humanities #2 and Social Sciences #3 as the most "worthless" degrees currently.

And at least with Architecture, you make money when you're working. Across the board, the Arts are far worse off than Architecture grads.

As far as the baby boomer thing? I disagree but I'll have to look into it...but more and more older people are getting laid off in favor of cheaper, younger, workers. Not only in salary, but in pensions, health care...etc. Again, I'll check into that.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I'm 25. I would like to point out that many young people do work hard. We have to deal with an economy that all but requires a higher education to be successful. To go along with that tuition has gone up at a crazy rate. There are many young people that go to class full time, work a job, and take on tons of debt just to make it.

The polish leapy mentioned entitlements. It is not just the under 30 voters in America that are defending entitlements. I would love to see a candidate come out and run a platform of ending SS, Medicare, and Medicaid completely. No window dressing like we got now, just come out and say it. They would get crushed! At least in any statewide or national election.

Americans support these programs. Believe it or not I don't think Americans are selfish. I think there is a general belief that we should look out for one another. Look at how we respond during disasters. I don't think this every man and women for themselves is the attitude of the majority of the country or most republicans.

There is a fair debate about how much is helping and how much is enabling. There is are Americans that are concerned and fairly so about accountability efficiency and limiting abuse of the system. We call them moderate republicans. This idea put fourth that people should step all over each other may the strong survive is not the idea most Americans share. At least I don't think.

Many Americans support these programs? Most Americans don't know anything else because these programs have always been in place. Like most progressive policies, they're all "for your good" and they're all mandatory. And most people under 30 aren't as engaged or care as much as you and I do (I'm 27). If you and I were to stand on a stage and tell millions of people under 30 that all these programs they've been paying for and are paying for HAVE NO CHANCE of being there down the road, they'd be pissed. They would realize it's highway robbery and they all need to be changed. We might as well take that percentage of our paycheck and toss it off a cliff because we'll never see it or benefit from it when we're older.

 

[Rizzophil]

Tweet from Lou Dobbs.

Department of Homeland Security buys armored vehicles, 2 bil rds of ammo, 7000 assault rifle, while Pres. Obama tries to disarm law abiding citizens. Time to ask why?

 

[Grahambo]

I'm 26 and don't have my degree yet but have a damn good job. There are quite a few federal agencies that are still hiring and looking for people.

 

[Grahambo]

Tossing this out there but can we change the title of thread to something generic like 'Political Thread'? Figure it would fit the discussion a bit better.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm 26 and don't have my degree yet but have a damn good job. There are quite a few federal agencies that are still hiring and looking for people.

Go onnn...

 

[chicago51]

Tossing this out there but can we change the title of thread to something generic like 'Political Thread'? Figure it would fit the discussion a bit better.

Or start a new thread.

 

[Grahambo]

Or start a new thread.

Yeah but all the discussion from here would be lost. Figured it would be easier to just rename the thread.

 

[Grahambo]

Go onnn...

usajobs.gov

 

[chicago51]

So Jeb Bush in June was for a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, then he was against a path to citizenship last week and in his new book, now today he said he was for a path to citizenship.

This guy is changing his mind faster than Romney.

 

[GoIrish41]

SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are still 62% of our budget and the left has no plans to fix the problem. Ryan tried to throw a plan out there on the table, and the progressives painted him as a guy who was pushing Grandma off a cliff on her wheelchair. Friggin joke.

And if you think entitlements are a problem now, wait till obamacare kicks in and this current generation of kids grows into something like an adult. They are mostly raised in public schools of thought of "it's ok, it's the effort that counts, not the results, good job, you're great, you're wonderful" and "government is here to take care of you and give you everything you want/ need." This leftist utopian nanny state will collapse a helluva lot faster than Europe did, and it will be uglier.

The psychological studies linking Facebook and narcissism in young people today are scary...spoiled, selfish, entitled brats who want everything for free and don't want to work. It won't be all of them (some parents in this country still have a clue and are involved), but it'll be like the walking dead + occupy wall street on steroids.

I'm not a full blown prepper, but as The Rock said on WWF when I was a kid, you can guaran damn tee I'll be ready when $hit hits the fan.

you should write a childrens story book. that was absolutely beautiful -- so full of optimism, love and compassion. I welled up a little when I read it.

 

[GoIrish41]

So Jeb Bush in June was for a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, then he was against a path to citizenship last week and in his new book, now today he said he was for a path to citizenship.

This guy is changing his mind faster than Romney.

People in Iraq have to be terrified at the prospect of another Bush in office ... you know, with their family tradition of becoming President and bombing the crap out of them.