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[BGIF]

Quotes don't do the delivery justice. The guy behind him looked like he was going to pass out from laughing so hard. Very well done and very surprising to me, I know he didn't write the stuff but he delivered it like a pro.

I thought they both had good material. Both took shots at themselves and each other and both closed by complimenting their foe.

 

[BGIF]

There is some legitimacy to this but there was much more to it. I was in the real estate business in a resort area. Banks were begging me to have our realtors bring them their clients, they had cash they had to get loaned out. No Doc and Low Doc loans were the preferred methods.

These were mostly 2nd and 3rd homes from $500,000 - $2,000,000. The banks own this as much as anyone and for the most part have gotten a pass. In fairness, I don't know that there were any real other options but the fallout has been mainly on the homeowners and not the banks. I know my house is worth a lot less and I had not role in that devaluation.

CRA regulators pushed lenders to make loans. Those lenders that did so more "successfully" were in compliance. The laggards got more pressure. You highlighted it yourself with "they had cash they HAD (emphasis added) to get loaned out.

Some in the responsible lenders raised questions if this was sound practice. They cost past over for raises, bonuses, promotions by their aggressive counterparts who were complying with the regulators directives.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'll admit when I'm wrong. The republicans had it right when they talked about voter fraud.

GOP registration worker charged with voter fraud - NBC Politics

 

[Irish Houstonian]

You know what they say, as goes ACORN so goes the nation...

 

[Buster Bluth]

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[irishpat183]

This has nothing to do with CRA. In some of these cases they were taking people with decent credit and forcing them into subprime loans because it was more profitable for them even when the people qualified for standard loans.

Some...MOST were the government forcing banks to give loans to people that couldn't afford it.

All three parties knew it. In fact, I blame the consumer more than anyone. Its your job to do your homework.

Again, another example of praying on EMOTION (everyone deserves a home), rather than thinking rationally.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I'll admit when I'm wrong. The republicans had it right when they talked about voter fraud.

GOP registration worker charged with voter fraud - NBC Politics

Wow. The guy is going to be charged with felony counts of voter fraud, as he should. That is the exact Republican position. Republicans don't think voter fraud is fine as long as it benefits Republicans.

Is the idea that we are hypocritical for wanting voter ID laws because some jackass, like the guy in this article, commits a crime? Personally, I want a fair system where EVERY CITIZEN gets to vote exactly ONCE.

And did you read that article? Its not even clear what he was doing . He could have jsut been tring to cover his lazy butt. Here is a quote from that article:

"It is not clear what motive Small might have had for throwing away the registration forms. Voters in Virginia do not register by party so there is no way to know whether the recovered registration forms were from Democratic or Republican voters. One GOP source said that a campaign worker could be tempted to throw away forms that have incomplete information since there are penalties under Virginia law for not submitting completed registration forms within 15 days after they are signed. It could not be determined Thursday night if the forms allegedly tossed by Small were incomplete."

 

[irishpat183]

I'll admit when I'm wrong. The republicans had it right when they talked about voter fraud.

GOP registration worker charged with voter fraud - NBC Politics

Uhhh...but the left is saying "it's not a problem"....do we just ignore like democrats did with ACORN?

Remember, it's the right fighting for stricter voting laws. You know, that whole mess about having to prove you're a citizen or alive to vote?

 

[irishpat183]

Wow. The guy is going to be charged with felony counts of voter fraud, as he should. That is the exact Republican position. Republicans don't think voter fraud is fine as long as it benefits Republicans.

And did you read that article? Here is the key quote from that article:

"It is not clear what motive Small might have had for throwing away the registration forms. Voters in Virginia do not register by party so there is no way to know whether the recovered registration forms were from Democratic or Republican voters. One GOP source said that a campaign worker could be tempted to throw away forms that have incomplete information since there are penalties under Virginia law for not submitting completed registration forms within 15 days after they are signed. It could not be determined Thursday night if the forms allegedly tossed by Small were incomplete."

Do they read anything? (see health care bill....)

 

[GoIrish41]

If you go by history, this election is likely over at this point. Romney is above 50% in Gallup and no candidate has lost once over 50% in mid October and it's nearly impossible for the POTUS to bring a challenger down under 50%. Undecideds break for the challenger. The only question might be if it's over early because Romney takes PA or if he has to wait for Ohio and Colorado to shake out.

Politics is always local. It really doesn't matter who says what stupid thing or who makes a mistake on the campaign trail. People are out of work, things are costing more, and real estate is bad. Local. All the public needed to know was that Romney wasn't some evil businessman who hates everyone and that he was competent. They found that out in the first debate. I could be wrong, history could be the wrong indicator, but I think it's over.

Let me get this out of the way to save all of the Republicans on this thread some keystrokes -- I'm just a stupid, bleeding heart liberal, who will say anything to prove my point. I also have closely followed elections since I was a kid and realized that if you really want to try to predict how an election will turn out, you pay close attention to the state maps.

Elections are not won by Gallup Polls, they are won by the electoral college -- particularly in contested states. IMO, there is no way is Romney going to win in Pennsylvania, as you suggested. I was born and raised here, and have a pretty good feel for how my state will swing in an election. So, for the sake of argument, let's put them in the Obama column (where I'm confident they will be Nov. 6). Among the battleground states are North Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Wisconsin. I think Romney's best shots are in North Carolina, Florida, Virginia and Colorado. If he wins ALL of them (which is a huge "if") he is going to end up with 257 votes. In Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Nevada, Obama currently leads and will likely continue to do so, putting him at about 263 votes. The winner of this election will need 270 votes, so Ohio and its 18 electoral votes will be the big prize among the contested states. As we have all heard a thousand times by now, no republican has ever won a presidential election without winning Ohio. Without it, Romney has no chance of winning and he is currently trailing in the polls there by 4 to 6 points, depending on which poll you favor. I agree -- this election is likely over. But, Romney will not win.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I also have closely followed elections since I was a kid

I stopped reading here. It's impossible to know anything when you are young, which renders observations moot.

 

[woolybug25]

I stopped reading here. It's impossible to know anything when you are young, which renders observations moot.

Aren't you like 18-19? What constitutes "young"?


Please say 30....

 

[GoIrish41]

Uhhh...but the left is saying "it's not a problem"....do we just ignore like democrats did with ACORN?

Remember, it's the right fighting for stricter voting laws. You know, that whole mess about having to prove you're a citizen or alive to vote?

Oh sorry, I thought the irony would be obvious enough that the fraud the GOP describes as the reason to restrict people from voting is being committed by their own people -- and they couldn't come up with any cases to prove their was a need to for these laws in states across the country. That's why these laws are being overturned across the country. Get it? It wasn't a problem until they did it. That's why they look stupid.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Let me get this out of the way to save all of the Republicans on this thread some keystrokes -- I'm just a stupid, bleeding heart liberal, who will say anything to prove my point. I also have closely followed elections since I was a kid and realized that if you really want to try to predict how an election will turn out, you pay close attention to the state maps.

Elections are not won by Gallup Polls, they are won by the electoral college -- particularly in contested states. IMO, there is no way is Romney going to win in Pennsylvania, as you suggested. I was born and raised here, and have a pretty good feel for how my state will swing in an election. So, for the sake of argument, let's put them in the Obama column (where I'm confident they will be Nov. 6). Among the battleground states are North Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Wisconsin. I think Romney's best shots are in North Carolina, Florida, Virginia and Colorado. If he wins ALL of them (which is a huge "if") he is going to end up with 257 votes. In Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Nevada, Obama currently leads and will likely continue to do so, putting him at about 263 votes. The winner of this election will need 270 votes, so Ohio and its 18 electoral votes will be the big prize among the contested states. As we have all heard a thousand times by now, no republican has ever won a presidential election without winning Ohio. Without it, Romney has no chance of winning and he is currently trailing in the polls there by 4 to 6 points, depending on which poll you favor. I agree -- this election is likely over. But, Romney will not win.

Your analysis is pretty dead on as things currently stand. Ohio is the key.

In regards to Pennsylvania, it does seem unlikely and I would put the chances at very low for Romney, but I live in Indiana and I thought I had a pretty good feel about how my state would swing in a presedential election. Let's just say that I thought the chances of any Democratic presedential candidate (outside of Evan Bayh) taking Indiana would be the sign of the Apocalypse. Sometimes strange things happen.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Aren't you like 18-19? What constitutes "young"?


Please say 30....

haha I'm 23. I'm just giving goirish "stuff" (as Biden would say) for earlier posts. No big deal.

 

[GoIrish41]

I stopped reading here. It's impossible to know anything when you are young, which renders observations moot.

then surely, you agreed with everything above that point.

 

[WaveDomer]

Let me get this out of the way to save all of the Republicans on this thread some keystrokes -- I'm just a stupid, bleeding heart liberal, who will say anything to prove my point. I also have closely followed elections since I was a kid and realized that if you really want to try to predict how an election will turn out, you pay close attention to the state maps.

Elections are not won by Gallup Polls, they are won by the electoral college -- particularly in contested states. IMO, there is no way is Romney going to win in Pennsylvania, as you suggested. I was born and raised here, and have a pretty good feel for how my state will swing in an election. So, for the sake of argument, let's put them in the Obama column (where I'm confident they will be Nov. 6). Among the battleground states are North Carolina, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Wisconsin. I think Romney's best shots are in North Carolina, Florida, Virginia and Colorado. If he wins ALL of them (which is a huge "if") he is going to end up with 257 votes. In Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Nevada, Obama currently leads and will likely continue to do so, putting him at about 263 votes. The winner of this election will need 270 votes, so Ohio and its 18 electoral votes will be the big prize among the contested states. As we have all heard a thousand times by now, no republican has ever won a presidential election without winning Ohio. Without it, Romney has no chance of winning and he is currently trailing in the polls there by 4 to 6 points, depending on which poll you favor. I agree -- this election is likely over. But, Romney will not win.

Yes, obviously elections are won by EVs, but as I said, "If you go by history..." History tells us that once over 50% in Gallup in mid October, said candidate has not lost. Romney is over 50% in Gallup right now. If you look at Real Clear Politics right now Romney is up in EV's and PA is a toss up with a poll yesterday putting him up 4 points there. Obama is moving people out of Florida, Virginia, and NC because Romney is up there. You're right, no Rep. has won without Ohio, but Ohio according to RCP average is now Obama 2.5 which is basically a tie. At this point Romney is expanding the map and Obama is not.

 

[GoIrish41]

Let's just say that I thought the chances of any Democratic presedential candidate (outside of Evan Bayh) taking Indiana would be the sign of the Apocalypse.

Some would argue that it was.

 

[irishjet34]

I was also born and raised in PA GoIrish...I think it is not going to be so easy for Obama to take PA as it has been in the past...In the end I believe he willl but the only reason is because of Philly and Pittsburgh...It is amazing to see how close PA is considering Romney has not even really campaigned here and is just moving his staff in now that North Carolina does not look like so much of an if it goes to Romney anymore and Florida for the moment is looking that way too...I just drove across the state out to Columbus, OH and I was pleasantly surpised about what I saw and heard...I have no idea how this whole electoral college is going to end up, to say otherwise would be a pure speculation and an uneducated guess with over two weeks and another debate to go...I can say for the Defense/Aerospace industry that we are hoping for a Romney victory for what Obama has done and will continue to keep doing to the industry

 

[GoIrish41]

I was also born and raised in PA GoIrish...I think it is not going to be so easy for Obama to take PA as it has been in the past...In the end I believe he willl but the only reason is because of Philly and Pittsburgh...It is amazing to see how close PA is considering Romney has not even really campaigned here and is just moving his staff in now that North Carolina does not look like so much of an if it goes to Romney anymore and Florida for the moment is looking that way too...I just drove across the state out to Columbus, OH and I was pleasantly surpised about what I saw and heard...I have no idea how this whole electoral college is going to end up, to say otherwise would be a pure speculation and an uneducated guess with over two weeks and another debate to go...I can say for the Defense/Aerospace industry that we are hoping for a Romney victory for what Obama has done and will continue to keep doing to the industry

When Dems win it is always because of Philly and Pittsburgh (and to a lesser extent State College). Where are you from in PA?

 

[irishjet34]

Good stronghold area to have in the state...From around the Allentown area

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Pennsylvania is all but over. 90% chance of winning. This election comes down to Ohio. Colorado, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, Florida, and Virginia are pretty much the only states that are undecided at this point. It would be shocking if Obama didn't win one of Colorado, Iowa, and Nevada, and one of those plus Ohio would give him the win. Whoever wins Ohio wins the election and Obama has a slight lead right now. That's where all the money will go this year.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Romney has a 1 point lead in Wisc.

 

[GoIrish41]

Romney has a 1 point lead in Wisc.

Not sure what poll you are looking at, but this is from Chuck Todd of NBC News.

"In Wisconsin, Obama leads Romney by six points among likely voters, 51%-45%, which is virtually unchanged from the margin last month. In Iowa, Obama is up by eight points, 51%-43%, which also is nearly identical to where it was in September. As of last week, Obama was ahead in Ohio, 51%-45%."

This is all ahead of a likely bump for Obama following the 2nd debate.

 

[woolybug25]

haha I'm 23. I'm just giving goirish "stuff" (as Biden would say) for earlier posts. No big deal.

So.... hypothetically speaking.... is 30 young?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Not sure what poll you are looking at, but this is from Chuck Todd of NBC News.

"In Wisconsin, Obama leads Romney by six points among likely voters, 51%-45%, which is virtually unchanged from the margin last month. In Iowa, Obama is up by eight points, 51%-43%, which also is nearly identical to where it was in September. As of last week, Obama was ahead in Ohio, 51%-45%."

This is all ahead of a likely bump for Obama following the 2nd debate.

I have no clue the methodology that NBC uses on their polls, but they usually are on the high end showing Obama support compared to most other polls. The Marquette poll only shows it as a one point race, but their numbers are all over the place. Their previous Marquette poll had Obama up by 11 to wild of a swing to take much stock in their poll. All of the other polls have it at a 2-3 point advantage for Obama including the PPP (D) poll. It's close enough that I'm sure the Obama camp is a little nervous.

 

[GoIrish41]

I have no clue the methodology that NBC uses on their polls, but they usually are on the high end showing Obama support compared to most other polls. The Marquette poll only shows it as a one point race, but their numbers are all over the place. Their previous Marquette poll had Obama up by 11 to wild of a swing to take much stock in their poll. All of the other polls have it at a 2-3 point advantage for Obama including the PPP (D) poll. It's close enough that I'm sure the Obama camp is a little nervous.

hadn't seen the Marquette poll. I usually look at the Poll of Polls as it at least, in theory, waters down some of the biases that many polls can have. I'm watching Ohio pretty closely. At this point, it is almost the only one that matters.

 

[Buster Bluth]

So.... hypothetically speaking.... is 30 young?

Well I actually turn 23 in 19 days (yeah, I lied), and I consider that terrifyingly old considering the age of the girls I'm ban---hanging...out with.

Let's change the subject...

 

[PraetorianND]

VOTED

 

[ab2cmiller]

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