Oversigning Recruits

[Woneone]

Let us all know when Saban actually cuts a guy simply because he isn't good enough to see the field. Transferring on your own to get playing time because a coach tells you that you aren't likely to see much playing time is not the same as cutting. Neither is telling a current recruit that they may want to look elsewhere. But hey... only the big, bad mean schools that aren't doing it right do that. Nobody who is "doing it right" does that. Greyshirting is done at a lot of schools. They just like to feel good and call them preferred walk ons or some other fancy name since some believe grey shirting is dirty. As is the practice of not offering fifth years. Only the "bad" schools do that too I guess.

For the record, I am for schools offering four year scholarships. But until the NCAA changes the rules and/or conferences choose to self direct that, then it is what it is. And if some take exception to that, then that's on them. Pretty simple to me. And it's pretty simple to me when a coach goes in to fall practice under allocated on scholarships because they can't manage their roster - unexpected issues aside obviously.

I'm not going back to read the entire thread, because I'm about to take a nap. But have the ridiculous amount of Medical Redshirts under Saban been brought up yet? There have been multiple player attached to those that suggested they were basically "cut" using that method.

I think over 4 years, Saban used 12 of them.

In 10 years, Jim Tressel used 4.

I mean, come on. I remember when he stood up their and spewed that, "It's nobody's business" stuff, and how all these things about recruits were private. Then, on signing day, they had a feed with a board showing recruit names, who had signed, ect.

Guys a great coach, and would make a great GM.

 

[Irish YJ]

Tennessee keeps adding. Picked up 3 four star guys in the last 10 days. One a nice DE, another a top 20 QB. I'm a UT fan, so happy, but damn that's a lot of kids two years in a row.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Let us all know when Saban actually cuts a guy simply because he isn't good enough to see the field. Transferring on your own to get playing time because a coach tells you that you aren't likely to see much playing time is not the same as cutting. Neither is telling a current recruit that they may want to look elsewhere. But hey... only the big, bad mean schools that aren't doing it right do that. Nobody who is "doing it right" does that. Greyshirting is done at a lot of schools. They just like to feel good and call them preferred walk ons or some other fancy name since some believe grey shirting is dirty. As is the practice of not offering fifth years. Only the "bad" schools do that too I guess.

I'll give you a quick example of Saban doing wrong by a kid, and the real difference between a place like Alabama and Notre Dame.

A 3 star RB commit got hurt before his senior year, but Saban still took his commitment LONG before NSD and everything was a go. He was told many times that he had a spot. Then Saban got some higher-rated recruits to commit, and suddenly they were too full to take the injured recruit for the 2012 class. So Saban made him take the season off and made the poor kid sign in the 2013 class. He would have been easily ready to practice by fall camp (and work out full go with the team in the summer), but Saban made him stay home in Georgia. That would NEVER happen at ND. They truly believe in the value of a ND education and want to their student-athletes started on it immediately. Here's the bewildered recruits' quote, when asked what he would do that summer and fall::

“He (Saban) said I’m going to stay in Georgia. They are going to find me a job. I’m going to work. I’m going to physical therapy at least seven days per week. I guess I will work, go to physical therapy and get strong … I will come in with the class of 2013. I’ll get there with the early group so I can do winter workouts and spring football.”

Luckily, the kid came to his senses and decided not wait and hope that Saban didn't go back on his word once again, and the kid went to Kentucky. And even if he's not that good after all, Saban still did him dirty. Yeah, it's a dirty game, but don't tell me Saban is in it for the kids or that he's not doing anything unethical, when this is just one example of doing a kid wrong.

Oh, and while I can't speak for other schools, but a PWO at Notre Dame is exactly that, a preferred walk-on. They don't tale a kid's commitment and then ask him to be a PWO (or greyshirt), as you insinuated other schools do. It just doesn't happen.

 

[Legacy]

Let us all know when Saban actually cuts a guy simply because he isn't good enough to see the field. Transferring on your own to get playing time because a coach tells you that you aren't likely to see much playing time is not the same as cutting. Neither is telling a current recruit that they may want to look elsewhere. But hey... only the big, bad mean schools that aren't doing it right do that. Nobody who is "doing it right" does that. Greyshirting is done at a lot of schools. They just like to feel good and call them preferred walk ons or some other fancy name since some believe grey shirting is dirty. As is the practice of not offering fifth years. Only the "bad" schools do that too I guess.

For the record, I am for schools offering four year scholarships. But until the NCAA changes the rules and/or conferences choose to self direct that, then it is what it is. And if some take exception to that, then that's on them. Pretty simple to me. And it's pretty simple to me when a coach goes in to fall practice under allocated on scholarships because they can't manage their roster - unexpected issues aside obviously.

Alabama Football: Oversigning and Roster Cuts Are Part of Nick Saban's Process

I'll include a few stories:
Darius McKeller - Former Alabama football commit Darius McKeller transferring to South Alabama
He was put on a medical scholarship at Alabama due to a wrist injury, left and played for South Alabama.

Caleb Gulledge -
Jax State OT Caleb Gulledge feeling better after 'small back issue' led to exit from Alabama (report) Gulledge was disqualified for back pain after spring practice, transferred and played that fall for Jacksonville State.

Brandon Hill -
Offensive lineman Brandon Hill says he's been released from Alabama scholarship No reason given for release.

Darius Paige -
Alabama freshman DL Darius Paige has been medically disqualified, Nick Saban says "Our numbers were where they needed to be, relative to initials and 85 and all of that," Saban said.

Injuries that disqualified them at Alabama but were not serious enough that they could not play elsewhere?

All were three stars. All had four or five star recruits coming in the classes after them. With these cuts, Bama could reach eighty-five. At other schools, wrist and back injuries would be given time to heal.

Your greyshirting statement has already been addressed.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I typed a lengthy response to your post legacy, but decided I was not going to post it out. No need to hash what's been posted before out here. Feelings get hurt, people get mad, and on and on. If you would care to discuss your most recent post in depth with me, then hit me up with a PM. I think you may look at some of what you just posted a little differently if you had more facts. Thanks.

 

[Legacy]

I typed a lengthy response to your post legacy, but decided I was not going to post it out. No need to hash what's been posted before out here. Feelings get hurt, people get mad, and on and on. If you would care to discuss your most recent post in depth with me, then hit me up with a PM. I think you may look at some of what you just posted a little differently if you had more facts. Thanks.

I agree with the approach in your first couple of sentences and your recognition that certain types of posts are not appropriate for this blog. Nothing wrong with your windup, delivery, a curve ball or even a brushback. Speak your mind as you see it is your choice, though IE welcomes differing viewpoints for furthering discussion. Fastballs at a batter's head is just not cool.

As a Bama fan, you know where some of the discussion on this topic is going in the few weeks to Signing Day and afterwards. Alabama with the number one recruiting classes over the last four years, counting this year's, again with twenty-five commits will be one of the subjects discussed. Hiding from that is like a giraffe standing in the reeds.

However, your last line, though it does not hurt any feelings, says that I (and others?) are not in the possession of all the factual evidence as you could provide. Really? You want to put yourself in that position as the free discussion on IE proceeds?

 

[Legacy]

Alabama Oversigning

Alabama Oversigning

Alabama walk-on wide receiver Barrineau gets scholarship January 10, 2015

"Barrineau’s scholarship was also an indication that Alabama’s usual numbers situation isn’t as tight as some fans fear. The Crimson Tide had just 14 scholarship seniors on the 2014 team, with three early departures for the NFL, yet coaches are on pace to sign the maximum number of players, 25."

Alabama verbals sit at 26. Further targets with Official Visits include:
- Isaiah Prince, 4 star OL, Bama among top three favorites (Official visit - Jan 16)
- Chidi Valentine-Okeke, 4 star OT, Bama in top 2 (Official Visit - Dec 12)
- Daylon Charlot, 4 star WR, Bama favorite (Official Visit - Jan 16)
- Terry Godwin, 4 star Ath (#2 rated), Georgia commit. Taking three visits elsewhere in January, including Bama (1/23)
- Antonio Callaway, 4 star WR, Bama among top 4 (Official visit - Jan 23)

Scholarship Math
14 Seniors + 3 early entrants = 17 minus 1 walk-on to scholarship = 16 scholarships

25-16= 9 over (+ 2 or 3 others?)

 

[IrishLion]

Saban is in full-on "Numbers? LOL Don't Care" mode after the loss to OSU haha.

The only way he knows to cope is to continue recruiting.

That, or he's already zero'd in on the three guys that will get kicked off of the team for violations of team rules, another 4 guys with medical issues that are life-threatening, and another two guys that will decide they should transfer purely because of playing time.

 

[PANDFAN]

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[T Town Tommy]

I agree with the approach in your first couple of sentences and your recognition that certain types of posts are not appropriate for this blog. Nothing wrong with your windup, delivery, a curve ball or even a brushback. Speak your mind as you see it is your choice, though IE welcomes differing viewpoints for furthering discussion. Fastballs at a batter's head is just not cool.

As a Bama fan, you know where some of the discussion on this topic is going in the few weeks to Signing Day and afterwards. Alabama with the number one recruiting classes over the last four years, counting this year's, again with twenty-five commits will be one of the subjects discussed. Hiding from that is like a giraffe standing in the reeds.

However, your last line, though it does not hurt any feelings, says that I (and others?) are not in the possession of all the factual evidence as you could provide. Really? You want to put yourself in that position as the free discussion on IE proceeds?

All I ask is that if people are going to throw names out, insinuate that there was wrongdoing, etc, then post out ALL the facts for the names thrown out. Simply throwing names out without providing any background as to why the player is no longer in a program and not providing any substantive information as to why is ridiculous and simply irresponsible. So yes legacy... either you have all the facts as you suggest or you don't. And since you are not privy to much of the information that goes in to decisions from Alabama's coaching staff and their players, I can say with reasonable certainty you don't have all the facts. So, it appears you have a couple of options. Keep flaming about Bama and how they handle their players or provide all the facts necessary to bolster your argument. Otherwise, have a nice day fella. Enjoy.

 

[Irish#1]

Just stopped in to see what was going on. A little warm in here!

 

[Legacy]

All I ask is that if people are going to throw names out, insinuate that there was wrongdoing, etc, then post out ALL the facts for the names thrown out. Simply throwing names out without providing any background as to why the player is no longer in a program and not providing any substantive information as to why is ridiculous and simply irresponsible. So yes legacy... either you have all the facts as you suggest or you don't. And since you are not privy to much of the information that goes in to decisions from Alabama's coaching staff and their players, I can say with reasonable certainty you don't have all the facts. So, it appears you have a couple of options. Keep flaming about Bama and how they handle their players or provide all the facts necessary to bolster your argument. Otherwise, have a nice day fella. Enjoy.

Sources from Alabama newspapers that have their sportswriters covering Bama football is not enough? Only those privileged to know coaching staff thoughts are entitled to post? Not those posting with as much information that is accessible to the public? "Ridiculous and irresponsible" accusations should be leveled against those journalistic sources for writing those articles. Remember the considerate TTT in your last post - "Feelings get hurt, people get mad, and on and on."

I suggest you provide the facts you - and none of us - are privy to in response, rather than suggest a poster is "flaming about Bama", implying once again that we are not knowledgeable.

Focus on me if you want to vent. I'd prefer that you respond to whatever points are being made that are less borderline insultive.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Sources from Alabama newspapers that have their sportswriters covering Bama football is not enough? Only those privileged to know coaching staff thoughts are entitled to post with as much information that is accessible to the public? "Ridiculous and irresponsible" should be leveled against those sources for writing those articles. Remember the considerate TTT in your last post - "Feelings get hurt, people get mad, and on and on."

I suggest you provide the facts you - and none of us - are privy to in response, rather than suggest a poster is "flaming about Bama", implying once again that we are not knowledgeable. Focus on me if you want to vent.

I'd prefer that you respond to whatever points are being made that are less borderline insultive.

I sent you a PM yesterday legacy explaining my stance on most of this. You didn't respond. Do we believe everything we read from sports reporters "on the beat?" I surely don't. Surely one as intelligent as you don't either. I am not an "insider" to the Tide program. Do I know several players and/or their parents? Yes. Have known one of the players and his parents for years who's name you threw out there in a post recently to bolster your argument . I should... they lives about two streets over from me. You threw his name out there without fact or reason and to me that's irresponsible. Furthermore, a couple of the other players you mentioned you failed to give accurate facts in to their situations. Maybe you knew all the facts and chose not to post them. Maybe you didn't know all the facts. I don't know. But what facts you chose to post seemed to bolster your argument.

I would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt legacy... most of the information about former Bama players is pretty common knowledge for those that do follow the program closely. I would suggest that when posting, if you are simply trying to bolster your argument with partial facts, then state so when posting. Otherwise it leads me to believe all you are doing is misrepresenting the facts associated with the players mentioned and to me, that's the definition of "flaming."

 

[Legacy]

TTT,

I'll read your PM. It's probably formulated a lot like your recent replies. Maybe it shall be worth posting. Maybe you'll want to post it for its objectivity and its insight.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I'll read your PM. It's probably formulated a lot like your recent replies. Maybe it shall be worth posting. Maybe you'll want to post it for its objectivity and its insight.

lol...

 

[IrishLion]

Tommy, Bama's currently on pace to be 9 players over the limit.

How do you think they'll clear 9 and get down to 85?

 

[T Town Tommy]

Tommy, Bama's currently on pace to be 9 players over the limit.

How do you think they'll clear 9 and get down to 85?

Have a couple that are probably greyshirts as there has been talk already that they have been informed. I don't know that to be true however. One recruit will probably pay his own way the first year. A couple more that probably won't be back for some off the field issues they are having. A couple of recruits still have some classroom work to get done or they won't qualify. Still have around 3-4 recruits that aren't solid and are candidates to flip. And there are rumors that there will be around 3-5 that transfer out due to depth chart concerns.

 

[drake29]

Just to play Devil's advocate, I did a bit of digging on one of the players listed earlier in this thread - a Caleb Gullege. Former 3 star recruit with "chronic back issues"....on a free Bama board there was a poster who left this from Gullege:

"Ok everyone I have been thru alot over the past couple months. I went to my dream school the university of alabama to play football last year and won a national championship and had a fantastic year. I met lifelong friends and made lifetime memories and have absolutely no regrets about it. for some reason God has allowed allowed some things to happen in my life. I hurt my back in which i was told could possibly severly injure me for the rest of my life and He put his healing hand on me and took my pain away and has guided me to a new home to attend college and I get a second chance to play football and I just wanted to share this to first let everyone kno wats goin on and second to show y'all how powerful God is and I kno He has a plan for me!!"

Apparently the young man had a herniated L4 and L5. He was listed on the Jacksonville Sate 2013 roster but couldn't find him on the 2014 roster. To me this looks much worse on Jacksonville State than it does Bama....

 

[phork]

Have a couple that are probably greyshirts as there has been talk already that they have been informed. I don't know that to be true however. One recruit will probably pay his own way the first year. A couple more that probably won't be back for some off the field issues they are having. A couple of recruits still have some classroom work to get done or they won't qualify. Still have around 3-4 recruits that aren't solid and are candidates to flip. And there are rumors that there will be around 3-5 that transfer out due to depth chart concerns.

Everything we've all brought up. Cherry pick the best, through the also rans under the bus via "off field problems" or "depth chart concerns".

 

[IrishLion]

Have a couple that are probably greyshirts as there has been talk already that they have been informed. I don't know that to be true however. One recruit will probably pay his own way the first year. A couple more that probably won't be back for some off the field issues they are having. A couple of recruits still have some classroom work to get done or they won't qualify. Still have around 3-4 recruits that aren't solid and are candidates to flip. And there are rumors that there will be around 3-5 that transfer out due to depth chart concerns.

If they're having off-the-field issues, why weren't they gone already?

Or is it a "dismiss as needed due to numbers"?

 

[Cackalacky]

If they're having off-the-field issues, why weren't they gone already?

Or is it a "dismiss as needed due to numbers"?

While I agree with you Lion, using using Shaq Roland from USC as an example, the HBC had several talks with him to get his ish together and play like he could, but Shaq quit instead after he got passed up by better performing WRs. He was a South Carolina Mr. Football 2011(?). Alabama probably does this a lot as well. I m sure the HBC would want Shaq to stay though as opposed to being able to readily fill that spot with someone just as or more talented like Alabama.

 

[IrishLion]

While I agree with you Lion, using using Shaq Roland from USC as an example, the HBC had several talks with him to get his ish together and play like he could, but Shaq quit instead after he got passed up by better performing WRs. He was a South Carolina Mr. Football 2011(?). Alabama probably does this a lot as well. I m sure the HBC would want Shaq to stay though as opposed to being able to readily fill that spot with someone just as or more talented like Alabama.

True, there are many circumstances where a player is living on borrowed time, and could find himself on the way out if certain conditions arise...

But to actively expect that to happen for multiple players over one offseason? There's either a discipline issue going on, or it's an excuse for something else (numbers crunch).

 

[T Town Tommy]

If they're having off-the-field issues, why weren't they gone already?

Or is it a "dismiss as needed due to numbers"?

If the players meet the criteria set forth by Saban, then they will likely still be with the team in the fall. If they don't then they are probably gone. Pretty simple and more up to the player than the coach.

 

[Legacy]

Tommy sent me a post, which I think contributes to the discussion, so it is worth sharing (in two parts).
The first part is his insight into four players that were let go by Saban:

"Here is where I took exception with your post.

I know one of the players and his family personally and have for several years now. I know what the doctors at Bama told him, I know what his personal doctor told him, and I know what a third doctor told him. He decided that he would still take the chance and continue to play football. That's on him.

One of the other players you mentioned was a consensus four star recruit that we had a hard fight to get and was very happy to land him. He shows up at fall practice ready to go and was diagnosed with a personal illness, not an injury, but a serious personal illness that would not allow him to continue football. It was not only a blow to him but to the staff as well as he was looked at to be a major contributer down the road for us. His scholarship was given to a guy who was going to greyshirt and was coming off a knee injury. And this guy was a much lower rated recruit. Makes no sense to medical a higher rated recruit for a lower rated recruit with an injury. As far as the four star, he hasn't played anywhere else so it appears his illness was enough to keep him off the field for good.

The third one ate himself out of a scholarship. Was unable to qualify the first go round with Bama, headed to JC, came back after a year, and then was let go. He was given guidelines to maintain by the coaching staff when dealing with his weight. He refused to adhere to those guidelines. He refused to put in the work necessary for him to become a contributor. In the end, I don't see his inability to follow the rules set forth in his dietary program much different from a player that doesn't do whatever is asked of him by the staff. He was given plenty of chances, had one of the best trainers in all of CFB, and still didn't comply. I have zero issues with Saban letting him go at that point. He was given two chances to make the Tide and he failed. That's on him.

The last player I know that Saban sent packing was a four star RbB from Ga. He was a cancer to the team, bad mouthed the coaching staff, and was cuaght negative recruiting several times. I have zero issues with Saban telling him to hit the road either."

 

[Legacy]

The second part of the post has to do with transfers, greyshirting, Saban's handling of specific players, and what he thinks of Kelly and his "roster management", ending with a summary.

"This year we will have several that transfer out as well. I have zero problem with the staff telling a player they will not see the field and that if they want to play then they should look elsewhere. But I don't believe Saban will force them out. They are solid players that will not have an issue finding a good team to play for. I don't have an issue with greyshirting either. If a recruit wants to play that bad and they are asked to greyshirt and they agree to, then there is zero problem with me on that. One of the other posters brought up the RB from Ga who ended up going to UK instead of Bama. I had zero issue with how Saban handled his recruitment. Saban informed him early enough that he would have to greyshirt if he wanted to come to Bama. The kid even agreed to it. Then he changed his mind and went to UK. He has since transferred from there. Now, if it is a week before signing day and the recruit is asked to greyshirt, then I do have an issue with that. That's poor roster management and BS. If Saban does that, I will be the first to complain about that.

As far as Kelly and his roster management. I would be pissed if I were an irish fan if I was going in every year with less than 85 scholarship players on roster. Yeah, maybe 1-2 that get hurt or have unforseen issues, but for Kelly to basically self impose, I say that's BS. He should be doing better in that area and he deservs the criticism that comes his way for not.

So when I stated in my post that some out here don't have all the facts, I meant it. Or at best, they ignore the facts and try to sensationalize the issue. Just be open and honest and post out the entire story behind a recruit... not what simply bolsters one's argument. That's exactly what I meant when I posted. Thanks."

 

[T Town Tommy]

Since you never responded to my PM - which I would have posted out here if I felt necessary - do you agree with what I said, refute it, or otherwise have no opinion?

 

[Legacy]

From Tommy's post to me (above):

"As far as Kelly and his roster management. I would be pissed if I were an irish fan if I was going in every year with less than 85 scholarship players on roster. Yeah, maybe 1-2 that get hurt or have unforseen issues, but for Kelly to basically self impose, I say that's BS. He should be doing better in that area and he deservs the criticism that comes his way for not."

One of the indicators that a team's scholarship numbers are not at eighty-five is, of course, awarding walk-ons a scholarship. Notre Dame awarded three walkons scholarships last year more than in previous years.

The following SEC teams awarded walk-ons scholarships last year (number of walkon scholarships in parentheses):

Arkansas, South Carolina - 6
Texas A&M, Kentucky - 3
Georgia, Florida, Tenn - 2
Ole Miss, Miss St, Missouri - 1

Vanderbilt - no walkon scholarship that I could find, awarded scholarships to three transfers in
LSU - no walkon scholarship info to public, but had eighty players on scholarship
Auburn - no walkon scholarship info in '14 that I could find, but gave out 3 in '13 and 1 in '12

Georgia gave eight walk-on players scholarships in '11, seven in '12.

Every SEC team except Alabama over the last two years has fallen short of eighty-five. As an indirect indicator of oversigning, Alabama stands alone.

Annually, the blog "Roll Bama Roll" has "Numbers Crunch" article on how many football players will need to eliminated to accommodate the new signees.

 

[jspags10pg]

Since you never responded to my PM - which I would have posted out here if I felt necessary - do you agree with what I said, refute it, or otherwise have no opinion?

I'm not who you asked the question to but in my opinion, if those 4 recruit's situations are indeed the truth then I have no problem with Sabans handling of them.

 

[T Town Tommy]

From Tommy's post to me (above):

"As far as Kelly and his roster management. I would be pissed if I were an irish fan if I was going in every year with less than 85 scholarship players on roster. Yeah, maybe 1-2 that get hurt or have unforseen issues, but for Kelly to basically self impose, I say that's BS. He should be doing better in that area and he deservs the criticism that comes his way for not."

One of the indicators that a team's scholarship numbers are not at eighty-five is, of course, awarding walk-ons a scholarship. Notre Dame awarded three walkons scholarships last year.

The following teams awarded walk-ons scholarships last year (number of walkon scholarships in parentheses):

Arkansas, South Carolina - 6
Texas A&M, Kentucky - 3
Georgia, Florida, Tenn - 2
Ole Miss, Miss St, Missouri - 1

Vanderbilt - no walkon scholarship that I could find, awarded three transfers in scholarships
LSU - no walkon scholarship info to public, but had eighty players on scholarship
Auburn - no walkon scholarship info in '14 that I could find, but gave out 3 in '13 and 1 in '12

Georgia gave eight walk-on players scholarships in '11, seven in '12.

Every SEC team except Alabama over the last two years has fallen short of eighty-five. As an indirect indicator of oversigning and needing to cut down their roster, Alabama stands alone.

That's fine and all... but you didn't answer my question.

You took the liberty to post a Private Message... which is something I would think would be considered fairly uncommon out here and not very classy but since you did anyway, you could at least answer my questions. I would think that out of respect you would at least do that.

Alabama just awarded two walk on scholarships players this year. They also kept their commitment to the player who was awarded a scholarship last season but had a career ending injury while still in high school.

I wait with eager anticipation your response to my questions in my prior post. Enjoy.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I'm not who you asked the question to but in my opinion, if those 4 recruit's situations are indeed the truth then I have no problem with Sabans handling of them.

Almost all of the information I sent legacy in my PM about the players that were mentioned by him and another poster recently is information that is readily available to those that really want to know. Legacy spends a lot of time in his pursuit of justice when it comes to oversigning. Maybe he should spend more time presenting his information in a manner that doesn't make it appear that he may be purposely misleading those that really don't have much interest in his favorite topic or have the time to really check the information for themselves.

For the record, I do appreciate legacy's posts in regards to teams, rosters, etc. But his recent posts about Bama has me wondering if I should question what he posts about other teams as well. It appears to me that he likes to conveniently leave out information relevant to his research on the topic. Either that or he needs to do a little better job of validating his information prior to posting.