OMG, the Whining is getting bad.

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Spent some time at the espn boards this morning. Don't think I've seen so many whining trolls in my life. I guess you know when ND football is back when everyone is crying and complaining about them. The Oregon fans are just throwing fits. When I gave them numbers to show that stats wise were actually a better team they only respond with cursing and threats. That's one way to reinforce your argument.
 
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Just let ND do the talking on the field(in our bowl) wheither against PSU,OSU or Oregon.
 

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Just let ND do the talking on the field(in our bowl) wheither against PSU,OSU or Oregon.


I now personally hope that it is against Oregon. Shut up the Duck motherf*****s up.
 

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yeah, that loser Mark May was going on about what a better team Oregon has than ND last night. His reasoning? Oregon lead 13-0 at halftime against USC. I kid you not.
 
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hi everybody

hi everybody

new to notre dame football this year. what type of schedual did they have this year? How many top 25 teams played and what were the results? appreciate any info.
 

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Lol

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I love this quote. "When I gave them numbers to show that stats wise were actually a better team they only respond with cursing and threats." I think any teams stats would be pretty good if they had a panzy of a schedule that ND does. I also love the "but Michigan State was good and 4-0 when we played them quote." Fact is Michigan State had beaten NCAA powerhouses Kent State and Hawaii to go 2-0 before entering South Bend. Next thing we're gonna hear is "Stanford's a pretty good team." So good in fact that Stanford's first loss of the year was at the hands of UC-Davis. So before you putzes claim that ND is better then Oregon, remember Oregon's only loss was to the number 1 team in the Country and the last time you won any bowl game was in 1994.
 
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lizardhead57 said:
new to notre dame football this year. what type of schedual did they have this year? How many top 25 teams played and what were the results? appreciate any info.


Nice Try Troll. AFLACK!!
 

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new to notre dame football this year. what type of schedual did they have this year? How many top 25 teams played and what were the results? appreciate any info.

Top 25 when we played them? Or after we played them?
 

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The body of work was poor and it has to be admitted.

Bottom line, the schedule took a big fat nose dive. Tennessee, Pitt and Purdue were all major disappointments.

I can honestly see the Oregon argument from a football standpoint. Money wise, no brainer. They stay, ND goes.

Notre Dame had better win against whoever they play wherever they play. Only way to damn the critics.
 

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Here's a Stat

Here's a Stat

Teams Notre Dame has beaten with winning records, Michigan 7-4 AWAY, Navy 6-4 HOME, and BYU 6-5 HOME. Impressive!
 

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Teams Notre Dame has beaten with winning records, Michigan 7-4 AWAY, Navy 6-4 HOME, and BYU 6-5 HOME. Impressive!

I-AA Montana. Nuff said.

AUBURN goes before Oregon does in my book.
 

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oh jesus, and here come the assholes from ohio state and oregon to flame us. Before the season started they said we sucked and we are going to a BCS and we still suck. I pray to god we play oregon and beat the f*ck out of them. This board was good to talk ND football until the flamers found it. I cant even stand to go to the IrishIllustrated.com board because all the Oregon sissies talking smack. And yes I agree, Auburn would crush Oregon.
 

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Its all about money here people. Notre Dame fans just happen to be on the greener side of the grass with that.

I'm sorry, but if you schedule a I-AA you reap what you sow. And the Pac 10 is a step up from the Moutain West and Big East.

ND squashed a lot of teams and they spiraled from there. Purdue and Tennessee packed it in. Washington sucks, but Oregon fans already know that don't they?

These schedules are made years in advance and ND doesn't play any I-AA or MAC teams. And they get everyone's best shot because they're Notre Dame.

The body of work as a whole isn't good, but keep in mind the football is secondary.

I don't make the rules. That's just the way it is.
 

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irishtexan said:
oh jesus, and here come the assholes from ohio state and oregon to flame us. Before the season started they said we sucked and we are going to a BCS and we still suck. I pray to god we play oregon and beat the f*ck out of them. This board was good to talk ND football until the flamers found it. I cant even stand to go to the IrishIllustrated.com board because all the Oregon sissies talking smack. And yes I agree, Auburn would crush Oregon.

Let's not curse them... kill them with kindness.
 

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Richduck said:
Teams Notre Dame has beaten with winning records, Michigan 7-4 AWAY, Navy 6-4 HOME, and BYU 6-5 HOME. Impressive!

Is it Notre Dame's fault that we scheduled perrenial powerhouses 5-7 years ago and they decided they would take a nosedive this year? Schedules are made several years in advance and we cannot control a team playing below their potential. That Pitt team is virtually in tact from last year's BCS squad. Tennessee is loaded with 4-5 star talent, so on and so forth.

I, do, however fully believe our body of work compared to your Oregon squad is much better considering the Pacific 10 isn't what it once was. Had you talk about the Pac 10 of the early 90s, I'd be impressed. But we're not and it isn't. Your one quality win was against Cal. That's it. You played USC tough and Fresno State is the model of inconsistency.

What's even better is just how good are the so-called experts that ranked teams? Pittsburgh, Michigan, Purdue, Michigan State, Tennessee and USC were all ranked in the Top 25 either before, during or after we played them this season. On the flip side, Oregon had only four opponents in the Top 25. Notre Dame didn't schedule Houston or I-AA Montana, either.

So if your beloved Ducks don't make it to a BCS game, blame yourselfs. I'm sure beating up on that Montana squad makes up for a quality Bowl. Hell, maybe you can schedule two next year like Texas Tech!
 
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We all hate USC, right?

I love USC. I loved watching them lose to Notre Dame this season, no matter what the Pac 10 officials decided. I'll also love watching them fall from grace when Reggie Bush is gone next year.
 

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Hey, you show up every Saturday and play who you play. It isn't in the control of the players and coaches who is on the schedule.

See, the athletic directors set that up. And since Notre Dame didn't have a I-AA on their schedule, I'd say that trumps whatever fun and gun West Coast teams Oregon might have beaten. SC beat Oregon's ass. Miami kicked Va Tech's ass. They get blown out and deserve a big pay bowl? One loss is one loss, but an ass kicking is an ass kicking. Auburn lost both of their games close, one of which was their opener. ND lost twice, each by 3 and once in OT.

Colorado and Florida State can still get into the BCS. I don't hear anyone crying about that. See, this system is flawed far beyond Notre Dame's involvement in it. Why these two putrid, mediocre teams that just came off ass kickings have a chance to play to get into the BCS is beyond me.

So, who are YOU crappin'?
 

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Beating Montana

Beating Montana

Is better than losing to Michigan State 5-6 and needing a 4th quarter comeback to beat a Stanford team that lost to a 1-AA opponent. Yes we all know Notre Dame almost beat USC with the help of a little extra long grass knowing they couldn't keep up with the speed of the Pac-10. However, if you actually watched the USC game vs Oregon, the Ducks fell apart in the second half. They did not get their butts kicked. Leading at half time two stupid penalties and the ducks lose a close one like Notre Dame but that still equals 1 loss.
 

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Is better than losing to Michigan State 5-6 and needing a 4th quarter comeback to beat a Stanford team that lost to a 1-AA opponent. Yes we all know Notre Dame almost beat USC with the help of a little extra long grass knowing they couldn't keep up with the speed of the Pac-10. However, if you actually watched the USC game vs Oregon, the Ducks fell apart in the second half. They did not get their butts kicked. Leading at half time two stupid penalties and the ducks lose a close one like Notre Dame but that still equals 1 loss.

What about beating a JUCO team?

How about Mt. Union or an NAIA team? Beating a team of strokes is better than an OT loss to a I-A team? A win is a win, but I'll say no to that point.

45-13 is an ass kicking. Oregon and ND both lost to SC. Bottom line. It seemed both teams were playing on that grass and it sure as $hit didn't bother Reggie Bush. So much for that point.

Auburn got left out of the title game last year because they played a I-AA opponent. Sorry, but that's the truth. Tell the AD or Phil Knight or Joey Harrington or whoever to schedule someone from the Big 12 or
WAC even. Houston and Fresno State are starts.

Pac 10 speed? who the hell plays defense out there? It's a friggin joke. That conference is barely rated ahead of the Big East or Mountain West. NO ONE wins 33 in a row in the Big Ten, ACC, Big 12 or SEC. SC is doing it against crap.

Go flood the Duck boards with this bullsh*t. Your stupid conference agreed to this system. And you're not even out of it yet, so wait and see what happens. Then waste post space with this nonsense.
 
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The Ducks led at halftime, and lost big to USC.

The Irish led with 2 minutes to go, and lost by 3.

The Irish have a stronger schedule based on Sagarin ratings than Oregon does.

Using your "stupid penalties" logic, if USC fumbles into the field of play instead of out of bounds, ND wins. If Bush doesn't assist on the TD, ND wins. If Quinn hits Schwapp on 3d down, ND wins. If Ambrose Wooden turns his head and arms around a split second earlier on 4th and 9 for USC, ND wins.

You needed things to break right to lose closely. A few similar breaks, and ND would have won.

No doubt the loss to Michigan State hurts the argument, the way they fell apart later in the year, but two losses by a total of six points counts for something, whereas, despite leading by 13 at halftime, Oregon lost by 32 to one opponent, a common one to ND, at home. The Stanford game, however, shouldn't hurt. You can't tell me Stanford was the same team Saturday as the one that lost to UC-Davis. It was playing for a bowl game, on a night that it brought out all its legends. It showed itself to be a very up and down team this year.

You can explain why you think Oregon deserves a BCS bowl, and you may be right. You can also explain why ND deserves one as well. At the times in which the games were played, it beat ranked Pittsburgh, Michigan and Purdue teams on the road at the beginning of the season. How they performed later cannot be separated from the losses ND put on them, because it Michigan's and Purdue's cases, a loss to ND often affects the rest of their seasons.
 

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ha, ha, ha....good post, jigga.

the oregon folks have no business whining. not here or anywhere.
 

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Richduck said:
Is better than losing to Michigan State 5-6 and needing a 4th quarter comeback to beat a Stanford team that lost to a 1-AA opponent. Yes we all know Notre Dame almost beat USC with the help of a little extra long grass knowing they couldn't keep up with the speed of the Pac-10. However, if you actually watched the USC game vs Oregon, the Ducks fell apart in the second half. They did not get their butts kicked. Leading at half time two stupid penalties and the ducks lose a close one like Notre Dame but that still equals 1 loss.

How in the hell did they find this board? My problem with you Ducks is that you spew out the same emotional sh_t on every single thread you post. None of it has any substance or merit. It's so annoying. You say that Notre Dame barely beat Stanford. Didn't Oregon just barely beat WSU and Arizona? And then you get the benefit of not having to play UCLA. We would be 10-1 as well if we played Sam Houston State or Montana. Pretty sure MSU would pound them into the turf. Are you freaking kidding me? Whether you fall apart in the 2nd half or the 1st half, 45-13 is still 45-13. That's getting your butt kicked, cause that means you gave up. You would have a point if it were 20-13 or 27-13, but it was 45-13. They scored 45 unanswered points. How is that not getting your butt kicked? 2 penalties make up 32 points? What the hell? Are you looney? Let's say the 2 penalties take you out of scoring range. At the most that's 14 points. There's still 18 points to go. What now? This is ridiculous. Yes we lost to MSU. It is a really bad loss, but substitute MSU with Montana or Sam Houston State and we are 10-1 as well. Don't forget Houston who is from that power conference known as Conference USA. Gimme a freaking break.
 

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Richduck said:
Is better than losing to Michigan State 5-6 and needing a 4th quarter comeback to beat a Stanford team that lost to a 1-AA opponent. Yes we all know Notre Dame almost beat USC with the help of a little extra long grass knowing they couldn't keep up with the speed of the Pac-10. However, if you actually watched the USC game vs Oregon, the Ducks fell apart in the second half. They did not get their butts kicked. Leading at half time two stupid penalties and the ducks lose a close one like Notre Dame but that still equals 1 loss.

*EDITED* Keep it civil, please. Dispute with facts and logic, don't result simply to personal attacks because he isn't an Irish fan.
 
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However, if you actually watched the USC game vs Oregon, the Ducks fell apart in the second half.

Well said, RICHDUCK, you made ND's case succinctly. ND never fell apart in any game.

Q.E.D.
 

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No doubt the loss to Michigan State hurts the argument

Great post TexasDomer, but you're wrong on this.

If ND had won that game, it would have been another crap win against a bad team. So what's the difference? If ND and Oregon were both one loss teams both losing to SC, they'd still feel more deserving and so would we.

That MSU game would have been a lose-lose situation based on this Sesame Street logic.
 

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*EDITED* Keep it civil, please. Dispute with facts and logic, don't result simply to personal attacks because he isn't an Irish fan.


My bad. You're right. We are where we are because we deserve to be there. Enough said. God, now I hope that oregon gets the nod in the Fiesta with us. I figure that if it isn't a Duck fan, then it will be some ignorant Nittany Lion fan or God forbid a $uckeye fan.

My apologies for the previous comments IrishEnvy nation.
 

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I nominate staying off of their boards. The arguing by BOTH sides is totally irrational.

I've seen some ND fans out there, none from this site that I can tell, saying some stupid things. And the Oregon arguments are pretty bad themselves.

I'm done with it. They're a bunch of defeatists who are crying about being snubbed when they haven't been snubbed yet. Notre Dame clearly deserves the BCS more than West Virginia does, so if anyone is taking their spot it's them.

A bowl game victory is a MUST. I'd love to hear what these idiots have to say about 10-2.
 
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