Officiating Crews 2010

[nlroma1o]

Does anyone know where to look up which crews are officiating which games this season? Or is that information not available yet.

 

[mgriff]

Just know that none of them will have ND's best interest at heart...

 

[Riddickulous]

At least we don't play at the Big House this year. We'd probably have four touchdowns called back.

 

[KPENN]

At least we don't play at the Big House this year. We'd probably have four touchdowns called back.

I agree the officals were bad but, didn't ND bring the officiating crew that game though?

 

[Riddickulous]

I agree the officals were bad but, didn't ND bring the officiating crew that game though?

ND doesn't have their own officiating crew.

 

[KPENN]

ND doesn't have their own officiating crew.

I may be wrong, but ND brings Big East officals for there road games.

 

[IrishAddiction]

I may be wrong, but ND brings Big East officals for there road games.

Yes, you are correct that you are incorrect. ND brings Big East officials in for HOME games... we have no say in away games. big ten home tens use big ten refs.

And that being said, big ten pays big money to get there refs to do well for the big ten. UM-ND 2009 was the worst.... absolute worst... college football officiating i have ever seen in my life. INDISPUTABLE evidently means a slight possability. I woulda beat the crap out of a big ten ref if i could have gotten my hands on one after that cluster*uck of a game.

 

[mgriff]

Yea it was ludicrous. Does anyone have a figure for how much it would cost the University to employ their own officials? I'll take an informed guesstimate. And guesstimate is a word! There is no red line! That is outstanding!

 

[KPENN]

Yes, you are correct that you are incorrect. ND brings Big East officials in for HOME games... we have no say in away games. big ten home tens use big ten refs.

And that being said, big ten pays big money to get there refs to do well for the big ten. UM-ND 2009 was the worst.... absolute worst... college football officiating i have ever seen in my life. INDISPUTABLE evidently means a slight possability. I woulda beat the crap out of a big ten ref if i could have gotten my hands on one after that cluster*uck of a game.

Hmm ok. I coulda swore that the road team provided the officials for out of conference games.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

It all depends on the contractual agreement with the other schools. Sometimes ND brings their officiating to away games and uses the other teams officiating at home games.

BTW, Big Ten officiating is almost as bad as PAC-10 officiating.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Hmm ok. I coulda swore that the road team provided the officials for out of conference games.

The TENN games back in 2004-05 used SEC officiating for home games at ND and Big East officiating away at TENN.

 

[BGIF]

It all depends on the contractual agreement with the other schools. Sometimes ND brings their officiating to away games and uses the other teams officiating at home games.

BTW, Big Ten officiating is almost as bad as PAC-10 officiating.

My recollection is also that it's part of the contract and has varied over the years with different teams/conferences.

Independents can't afford the cost of their own officiating crews. Over the years ND has used MAC crews (thought to be neutral as ND didn't play MAC schools), Big East crews and possibly some others. The biggest problem (besides they NEVER call it our way) is that the different conference officials interpet the rules differently. Holding in some conferences requires aggravated assault plus blood to be called. One crew during the Davie era flagged ND at ND for a socks violation. Their conference had that rule but nobody else did and it wasn't a conference game. There was game I believe last season where Kamara drew 3 procedure flags. After the game Weis explained it wasn't the players fault. He lined up where he was told to by the coaches as part of the game plan. Weis said before the game he discussed the alignment alerting the officials that he would use it in the game. He said they had no ojections. They didn't until he used it. Bam!

The best ND can hope for is that the NCAA takes over officiating and refs from coast to coast make calls uniformly. As long as conferences govern their own refs it won't happen. Just look at the strike zone between American and National League Baseball umpires.

The PAC 10 has tenure in homerule officiating.

 

[Riddickulous]

NCAA needs one set of rules and one set of officials.

There were so many horrendous accounts of officiating last year: Michigan against Notre Dame, Michigan and Indiana, with Florida and Arkansas being the absolute worst.

 

[irish4ever]

NCAA needs one set of rules and one set of officials.

There were so many horrendous accounts of officiating last year: Michigan against Notre Dame, Michigan and Indiana, with Florida and Arkansas being the absolute worst.

Hmmmm, scUM comes out favorably in both those forementioned "screw jobs" .... Dick Rod's "cheatin' sh1t" at its best!!!

 

[nlroma1o]

My recollection is also that it's part of the contract and has varied over the years with different teams/conferences.

I think that this is how they are determined, but is there anywhere to look it up? Its probably to early, unless you can dig out an atricle that talks about the specific scheduling contract.

 

[BGIF]

I think that this is how they are determined, but is there anywhere to look it up? Its probably to early, unless you can dig out an atricle that talks about the specific scheduling contract.

Holtz used MAC crews for at least part of his years. I think Davie changed after the sock incident. There have been articles on it over the years (Somogyi BGI ??? or possibly SBT). May be something in the archives here but it could be mingled into a game thread with controversial calls.

 

[BGIF]

From the IE Archives

From the IE Archives

Here's a portion of a Weis Transcript for 10/18/05 after the Push:

Q. Do you have any issue with the fact that we use Big Ten referees on the road and the visiting team's officials at home?

COACH WEIS: No. Here is the only thing I wish. This has nothing to do with Big Ten or Pac 10 or anyone. I just wish it was standardized, universally standardized with everybody. I wouldn't care whose crew it was. I just wish that everyone had the same set of rules.

The one thing good about the NFL when it comes to things like that is it's one set of officials. They can officiate anywhere, which I know you can't really do in college because there's so many more teams. One thing, there's one set of rules, like replay. The Big Ten's interpretation and the Pac 10's interpretation and then the visiting team's decision on whether or not they want to have it or not have it. There isn't anything like that. Everyone has the same set of rules and that's what you have to abide by.

You're not always happy with it there either. But at least you know it's the same set of rules. I think that's the one thing. I can't worry about whether it's Big Ten or Pac 10 officials. I really can't. Whoever is there at the game, that's who I have to deal with. You have to try to deal with them as best you can.

I just wish the rules were standardized week in and week out, regardless of who you're playing. This week it's BYU's officials. Last week it was USC's officials. It all depends on where you are, who's playing and who has them.

I have no problem with officiating crews. I really have more of a problem with the big picture that there's different rules at different places, not what's off sides. I'm talking about things like replay.

Q. What about using split crews?

COACH WEIS: I could care less. I really could. It sounds like I'm indifferent. If you start worrying about who the officials are, okay... One thing I try to do, though, is I know who the officiating crews are, I haven't been able to gather enough research at this time, what you like to do is try to find out who the officiating crews are and then find out statistically what they call the most.

I haven't been able to get enough on them yet. But we used to do that week in and week out in the NFL. We'd say, Marcbright is the referee this week. He likes to call roughing the passer. You'd warn your defensive line about roughing the passer.

The sooner I can get a beat on not whose officials are reffing the game, but who the actual referee is, what their crew calls, you want to go one step more than just whether it's a Big Ten official. It's which crew in the Big 10? Because different crews call games differently. It's really different.

You'd be really, really surprised.

 

[BGIF]

Here's another post in the IE Archives relating to the OSU ND Bowl game where an ND fan was lamenting the SEC officiating crew (conferences have tie-in with bowls) being a Protestant Conspiracy. A Wolverine fan jumped and got wacked by different ND fan. It's less about officiating than about stupid SEC fans (I know, that's redundant).

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/5360-new-year-same-result-2.html#post25913

 

[nlroma1o]

Thanks for the good read BGIF!

 

[laservet]

Hmmmm, scUM comes out favorably in both those forementioned "screw jobs" .... Dick Rod's "cheatin' sh1t" at its best!!!

I attended the game, paid particular attention to offensive line play. Brandon Graham was held on many plays, almost none were called, including the one the photo of which circulated the net looking like Graham's head was being torn off. A ND offensive lineman punched a defender in the nads, very obvious and right in front of an official, not called.

Your're mistaking incompetence for bias. B10 officals are horrible, but they aren't selective. They're just as likely to screw the home team.

 

[irishtrain]

I attended the game, paid particular attention to offensive line play. Brandon Graham was held on many plays, almost none were called, including the one the photo of which circulated the net looking like Graham's head was being torn off. A ND offensive lineman punched a defender in the nads, very obvious and right in front of an official, not called.

Your're mistaking incompetence for bias. B10 officals are horrible, but they aren't selective. They're just as likely to screw the home team.

I'm not getting into a he said she said here but that game was not officiated well and Notre Dame by what I saw on tv got the short end. I dont care what someone says who was at the game-I've been to games and came home and saw replays that made me ask was I even at this game as the replay shows big mistakes by refs. If you dont think Notre Dame got hosed at Mich last year then you either dont like Notre Dame or you are a Mich supporter. I have no problem with folks who support their team but the replays and game film tell the story. By the way- the contract for Notre Dame/Mich stipulates the big 10 refs are used at both places. As Weis said uniformity would cure all this but its never going to happen while there are conference alignments and Notre Dame does not want to be in a conference. Too many times in the past-Colorado Orange Bowl-last year at Mich-Mich State at Notre Dame last year with the Floyd catch-Southern Cal at home so many times its not worth showing- Notre Dame does not get the call. Everytime Notre Dame has won a big game they dominated the game to the point were the refs were not a factor. Its the way it is. I DO NOT say there is a purposeful conspiracy but you be the judge on how many times an independent has not seemingly got the call. Notre Dame as an independent has many benefits that overshadow being in a conference-but this is not one of them. Facts are facts and film is film.