Obama to speak at Notre Dame

tgolden

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Was anyone actually there? I'm hoping ND did not do what Georgetown did when he spoke there, and cover all the crosses on the buildings and on podiums. The administration said they would be offensive to some folks. I sure hope we didn't do that, that would sadden me a great deal.

wow... so relevant. that has nothing to do with commencement. that was a policy address that happened to occur at Georgetown, and they wanted a consistent background so they covered up everything. This was a graduation. Of course they didn't cover anything. Obama was wearing ND robes which include the ND seal which include a cross on them.

of course you already knew that so really I am just wasting my time.
 

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I regress, considering how wrong some people are in here

You say "wrong" I say "differently opinionated".

This thread is good as over - as I've said from the beginning - no one here is going to convince anyone of the opposing view to change their mind. Hence this thread is pointless from the start.
 

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yep... I am done here... this thread sickens me,...

Yeah i'm sorry for starting it, after hearing both Father Jenkins and President Obama, ii'm sone. im with you ACamp... so back to manny ramirez*
 
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"He is kinda extreme though in his views, like wanting 9th month abortions. I guess you decide on your due date - "Do I want this kid or not?" That's a bit much for me. Most pro abortionist don't even want that."




wow.... so uninformed. I thought this was a message board for a smart school.. oh well.

9th month abortions huh? where the hell do you get your information? Sad thing is, there's some people that believe that.

Yes, Obama is in favor of a mother going into an ER on the 9th month of a pregnancy and telling the doctor.. "ya know what, I just don't want this baby anymore."

Get a grip man, nobody says this is OK, not doctors, not Obama, not anyone. This all started because Obama wouldn't sign a bill saying it was illegal to give abortions in the 9th month.... you know why he didn't sign it? Because it NEVER HAPPENS. It's like saying I want to present a bill that would make killing puppies with lightsabers illegal. Would you vote for that???

Sometimes a pregnancy is terminated that late because there is something horribly wrong with the child and the mother is at risk of dying. That's the only way it happens and I think the doctors, patients, and families should have the last say on that.
 
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This thread and the way in which some people have approached what they consider "dialogue" is particularly ironic considering the speeches given yesterday.

Though steadfast in your positions, you forfeit, by way of sharing words of disrespect with the other side, your own capacity to be respected; you mitigate the capacity of the other side to reason and to engage by telling them there is no point in discussing a matter; and, additionally, you display an apprehension with putting forward your own faculty to reason and to engage.

Insult followed by argument lends you little credence. Is your intention to argue reasonably or display a lack of argument ?

The point of discussion is to engage the other side so that you may understand their positions more clearly. That if any progress is to be made, and progress can always be made, you might, through the respect and understanding engendered through discussion, make that progress happen.

Without this discussion, you remain ignorant of the dissenting perspective which not only prevents the furthering of your own position, but, in addition, hinders you from cooperating with the dissenting side. By avoiding conversation because you fail to understand and respect the other side leaves a world with deep and unnecessary divisions that work contrary to every humanist tradition whether Catholic or secular.

I ask that those of you who have decided to insult others for their positions and those of you who have decided you are not up for discussion simply fall out of the conversation, as these things do little to further progress on what we can all agree to be fundamental human issues. Though, respecting the capacity of most people to be reasonable, I can expect those of you who can admit to having done some of these things to merely remove these parts from your future dialogues on this site.
 

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The question that I ask is when is it not ok to protest a Presidents position? Every President that I've been alive to see has been heckled or their positions have been protested. Who's exempt and who isn't? Then it's who makes that judgment and under what authority?

When and where? And again who makes the judgement call and under what authority?

If you can allow other aspects of freedom of speech that would be considered more abrasive or derisive why is questioning this President's position in any public forum wrong?

Oh well it's done with now so I'm two days late and a dollar short...
 
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The question that I ask is when is it not ok to protest a Presidents position? Every President that I've been alive to see has been heckled or their positions have been protested. Who's exempt and who isn't? Then it's who makes that judgment and under what authority?

When and where? And again who makes the judgement call and under what authority?

If you can allow other aspects of freedom of speech that would be considered more abrasive or derisive why is questioning this President's position in any public forum wrong?

Oh well it's done with now so I'm two days late and a dollar short...
The question is if this president, with his stand on allowing the murder of innocent children, should have been allowed to speak at Nortre Dame. A stand that is opposed by the Catholic church and Notre Dame adamently. All the leaders in the Catholic church opposed him speaking. In the words of Cardinal Ratzinger in 2004:“There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not, however, with regard to abortion and euthanasia.”
No president in my lifetime has been free of criticism over his policies and I don't think any will be in the near future. If they are, it is most likely because we have lost our free speech. He has plenty of public forums to speak in without inviting him to speak in our churches or our colleges. As I stated elsewhere, I wouldn't want someone speaking in my church who would push anti Catholic and Anti Chistians values.
Yes it is done now. I have got to get on with other things. I just felt compelled to come back and answer a questions, posed specifically in response to my posts, about the death penalty because I had ignored it earlier because I did not have the time to properly address it.
 

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I don't think it was about protest, I think it was about letting him speak in the first place. Of course the President will be protested; we should expect that. And, we do have free speech which seperates us from many countries. A person I recently met who lives in China is prevented currently from viewing and posting on blog sites such as Blogspot and Wordpress because the Chinese Govt has banned them. She's not even worried about it because they will lift the restriction in a few months. Could you imagine if that happened in our country?

BTW, I am glad this thread is winding down. This is a topic that evokes a lot of emotion out of people. I will be glad when there is more football to talk about!!!
 
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Obama takes positions adversarial to the Church and actively promotes grave evil.

It was a mortal sin to vote for the man. People are going to Hell for this stuff. This is serious business. ONE DOES NOT HONOR THEIR ADVERSARIES.

Evil is evil.

I guess such evil things like Nazism, Communism, etc.. should have been dialogued with and engaged. Maybe we should just dialogue and engage with child molesters who rape children as well.

The whole dialogue and engagement with understanding is Communist agitprop.

The stuff spouted in this forum isn't Catholicism. It's twilight zone stuff.

If you wanna go before the judgment seat of God when you die supporting this scandal, then you're going to have to accept the consequences. Just don't say you were warned.
 

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Obama takes positions adversarial to the Church and actively promotes grave evil.

It was a mortal sin to vote for the man. People are going to Hell for this stuff. This is serious business. ONE DOES NOT HONOR THEIR ADVERSARIES.
Evil is evil.

I guess such evil things like Nazism, Communism, etc.. should have been dialogued with and engaged. Maybe we should just dialogue and engage with child molesters who rape children as well.

The whole dialogue and engagement with understanding is Communist agitprop.

The stuff spouted in this forum isn't Catholicism. It's twilight zone stuff.

If you wanna go before the judgment seat of God when you die supporting this scandal, then you're going to have to accept the consequences. Just don't say you were warned.

First... wow. Scary post. Which horseman are you? Hopefully not the one that invovles sarcasm.

Two... you're wrong about the above bolded statement... "As I walk though the valley of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear no evil as you are with me. Your rod and your staff, they confort me. I prepare a table for my enemies.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.... I WIN!
 

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First... wow. Scary post. Which horseman are you? Hopefully not the one that invovles sarcasm.

Two... you're wrong about the above bolded statement... "As I walk though the valley of the Shadow of Death, I shall fear no evil as you are with me. Your rod and your staff, they confort me. I prepare a table for my enemies.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.... I WIN!
The actual quote from the 23th psalm is:
Ps 23:5
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
NKJV
In other words God will honor you in front of your enemies.
You are right about the previous post. It is a scary post!
 

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Obama takes positions adversarial to the Church and actively promotes grave evil.

It was a mortal sin to vote for the man. People are going to Hell for this stuff. This is serious business. ONE DOES NOT HONOR THEIR ADVERSARIES.

Evil is evil.

I guess such evil things like Nazism, Communism, etc.. should have been dialogued with and engaged. Maybe we should just dialogue and engage with child molesters who rape children as well.

The whole dialogue and engagement with understanding is Communist agitprop.

The stuff spouted in this forum isn't Catholicism. It's twilight zone stuff.

If you wanna go before the judgment seat of God when you die supporting this scandal, then you're going to have to accept the consequences. Just don't say you were warned.

lol wut?
 

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Obama takes positions adversarial to the Church and actively promotes grave evil.

It was a mortal sin to vote for the man. People are going to Hell for this stuff. This is serious business. ONE DOES NOT HONOR THEIR ADVERSARIES.

Evil is evil.

I guess such evil things like Nazism, Communism, etc.. should have been dialogued with and engaged. Maybe we should just dialogue and engage with child molesters who rape children as well.

The whole dialogue and engagement with understanding is Communist agitprop.

The stuff spouted in this forum isn't Catholicism. It's twilight zone stuff.

If you wanna go before the judgment seat of God when you die supporting this scandal, then you're going to have to accept the consequences. Just don't say you were warned.





Good luck with your sad, scary, paranoid life.


p.s. Tim Brown and the Rocket think you're scary and have asked you not to attend any school functions...thank you.
 
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The actual quote from the 23th psalm is:
Ps 23:5
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
NKJV
In other words God will honor you in front of your enemies.
You are right about the previous post. It is a scary post!

Nice correction Frank. When the poster won't even take the time to get the quote right, it makes me wonder about their general level of intelligence and integrity. Just a mistake or something he got from MSNBC? What a dope!!
 

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Since i created this thread i am now asking to have it terminated. So if any mods are present please do so. This thread is no longer about discussing the presence of our President at our beloved Notre Dame. It is now about conservative nutballs claiming anyone with a differentiating opinion is going to hell, and liberal douchebags claiming anyone with a different opinion is uneducated and ignorant. End this thread, please
 

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Since i created this thread i am now asking to have it terminated. So if any mods are present please do so. This thread is no longer about discussing the presence of our President at our beloved Notre Dame. It is now about conservative nutballs claiming anyone with a differentiating opinion is going to hell, and liberal douchebags claiming anyone with a different opinion is uneducated and ignorant. End this thread, please

I second the motion. Lets all move on to some football topics. But something other than "Meyers to Notre Dame,"
 
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