Nov 5 | at Wake Forest

[beryirish]

WHat?

It's my avatar character.

Walter and The Dude can fill you in. Donny is MIA!!!!!.....well he did have a heart attack.

 

[returnofthemack]

WHat?

You need to watch The Big Lebowski haha

 

[palinurus]

Any of you guys think Kelly's getting too highly strung this year?

He snapped at a reporter during the post game press conference last night; the guy had the temerity to ask what was wrong with the Irish offense.

Now, I've been supportive of Kelly, generally, both his hiring and what he's trying to do, but he came across like a loser in that exchange. I don't think Holtz ever did that. So why can't Kelly just answer the question -- it was civil and it was fair.

Between that and his outburst on the sideline earlier this year, and the calling out of older players -- not to mention the So Fla and Mich losses, which are solely on the coaches -- I am starting to wonder about this guy a little.

 

[irishff1014]

Any of you guys think Kelly's getting too highly strung this year?

He snapped at a reporter during the post game press conference last night; the guy had the temerity to ask what was wrong with the Irish offense.

Now, I've been supportive of Kelly, generally, both his hiring and what he's trying to do, but he came across like a loser in that exchange. I don't think Holtz ever did that. So why can't Kelly just answer the question -- it was civil and it was fair.

Between that and his outburst on the sideline earlier this year, and the calling out of older players -- not to mention the So Fla and Mich losses, which are solely on the coaches -- I am starting to wonder about this guy a little.

I like Klly this way. But the team is also driving him in this direction. When Your team turns the ball over, iine backers are non existant on the field. I still think that he has more pressure then he even thought he would have here.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Any of you guys think Kelly's getting too highly strung this year?

He snapped at a reporter during the post game press conference last night; the guy had the temerity to ask what was wrong with the Irish offense.

Now, I've been supportive of Kelly, generally, both his hiring and what he's trying to do, but he came across like a loser in that exchange. I don't think Holtz ever did that. So why can't Kelly just answer the question -- it was civil and it was fair.

Between that and his outburst on the sideline earlier this year, and the calling out of older players -- not to mention the So Fla and Mich losses, which are solely on the coaches -- I am starting to wonder about this guy a little.

This is college football, not freshman level Intro to the Seminary. If that is what throws you off, then I'd suggest another hobby. He's 1/4 as vicious as some of the big time programs out there. Fact of life is that sometimes, you have to whoop dat azz in order to make things work. Get over it.

 

[palinurus]

I mean, yeah, it's nice to win, and even an ugly win beats a loss, but ND is far more talented than WF, and ND was out-played the first half. And they lacked the killer instinct when they could have put that game away. Rees makes some nice throws, but he also gets lucky, throwing badly conceived passes into double coverage -- even if his receivers make him look good (I'm thinking at the moment of the great catch Eifert made when double covered (and well double covered). Ress just seems to toss it up 30% of the time.....Now, maybe he's the best we got, and so, okay. But, again, this is Wake Forest an okay team, but not even second tier.

 

[BGIF]

wrong thread.

 

[palinurus]

I like Klly this way. But the team is also driving him in this direction. When Your team turns the ball over, iine backers are non existant on the field. I still think that he has more pressure then he even thought he would have here.

Yeah, I'm sure it is more pressure than he thought, and I'm sure some of the mistakes make him crazy. But it's not just player mistakes. Remember the Tulsa gem from last year? That was a won game that Kelly lost by a dumb -- no other word for it -- play call. I'm fine with driving these guys, and I think he's right to hold them accountable -- but the public demeanor -- the meltdown, the calling out the upper classmen, the pushing back of a reasonable question in a presser -- not good. Swarbrick needs to have a chat with him -- as it is, Kelly's not doing the program any favors.

 

[palinurus]

wrong thread.

How so? It's a question that stems from the Wake Forest post game press conference.

 

[palinurus]

This is college football, not freshman level Intro to the Seminary. If that is what throws you off, then I'd suggest another hobby. He's 1/4 as vicious as some of the big time programs out there. Fact of life is that sometimes, you have to whoop dat azz in order to make things work. Get over it.

Thanks for the advice, for what it's worth, which is nothing.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Any of you guys think Kelly's getting too highly strung this year?

He snapped at a reporter during the post game press conference last night; the guy had the temerity to ask what was wrong with the Irish offense.

Now, I've been supportive of Kelly, generally, both his hiring and what he's trying to do, but he came across like a loser in that exchange. I don't think Holtz ever did that. So why can't Kelly just answer the question -- it was civil and it was fair.

Between that and his outburst on the sideline earlier this year, and the calling out of older players -- not to mention the So Fla and Mich losses, which are solely on the coaches -- I am starting to wonder about this guy a little.

I mean, yeah, it's nice to win, and even an ugly win beats a loss, but ND is far more talented than WF, and ND was out-played the first half. And they lacked the killer instinct when they could have put that game away. Rees makes some nice throws, but he also gets lucky, throwing badly conceived passes into double coverage -- even if his receivers make him look good (I'm thinking at the moment of the great catch Eifert made when double covered (and well double covered). Ress just seems to toss it up 30% of the time.....Now, maybe he's the best we got, and so, okay. But, again, this is Wake Forest an okay team, but not even second tier.

Ewwww.... "killer". Such a strong word.

"I am starting to wonder about this POSTER a little"

 

[palinurus]

Ewwww.... "killer". Such a strong word.

"I am starting to wonder about this POSTER a little"

Just curiously, do you have anything substantive to say, or just snide comments that could come from a tired seventh grader?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Just curiously, do you have anything substantive to say, or just snide comments that could come from a tired seventh grader?

Just re-stating what you just said... What does that make you and your observations worth?

 

[palinurus]

Just re-stating what you just said... What does that make you and your observations worth?

You think that your post "re-stated" what my post said? That might explain why you have been unable to respond intelligently to my original post or subsequent posts.

It's too bad two Irish fans can't have a civil discussion. You been giving Kelly press conference lessons?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

You think that your post "re-stated" what my post said? That might explain why you have been unable to respond intelligently to my original post or subsequent posts.

It's too bad two Irish fans can't have a civil discussion. You been giving Kelly press conference lessons?

Thanks Professor. Intelligence 101 is in session. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[BobD]

Any of you guys think Kelly's getting too highly strung this year?
He snapped at a reporter during the post game press conference last night; the guy had the temerity to ask what was wrong with the Irish offense.

Now, I've been supportive of Kelly, generally, both his hiring and what he's trying to do, but he came across like a loser in that exchange. I don't think Holtz ever did that. So why can't Kelly just answer the question -- it was civil and it was fair.

Between that and his outburst on the sideline earlier this year, and the calling out of older players -- not to mention the So Fla and Mich losses, which are solely on the coaches -- I am starting to wonder about this guy a little.

1. No, he's always been high strung.
2. Many (not all) reporters are like cockroaches, so it happens.
3. Kelly isn't Holtz, that was well over a decade ago, this is a new era.
4. Wonder about him all you want, he doesn't even know you exist.

 

[palinurus]

Thanks Professor. Intelligence 101 is in session. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, have a good night. I really don't want to argue with you; it's a waste of my time. In the future, just ignore posts you don't understand.

 

[palinurus]

1. No, he's always been high strung.
2. Many (not all) reporters are like cockroaches, so it happens.
3. Kelly isn't Holtz, that was well over a decade ago, this is a new era.
4. Wonder about him all you want, he doesn't even know you exist.

What is it with some of you people? Are you incapable of responding in a civil manner? As far as it being a "new era," I'm aware of that; in the old era, ND slaughtered teams like Wake Forest. And yes some reporters are "cockroaches;" this particular cockroach simply asked Kelly why he thought the offense might be struggling. It was a civil question and on that a lot of Notre Dame fans asked last night.

 

[BGIF]

How so? It's a question that stems from the Wake Forest post game press conference.

I posted in the wrong thread. I had posted the spread for the UMD game. I deleted it, Noted "wrong thread" and then posted it in the correct thread.


I hadn't read the previous posts. Looking back, you are in the wrong thread. You should be posting in a "I want to bash Kelly thread". Tulsa, public demeanor, Swarbrick, upperclassmen, etc have nothing to do with Wake Forest. You didn't speak to an issue, you launched an agenda.

I've seen Holtz, Davie, Weis, Paterno, Bryant, Bowden, Spurrier, Saban, and dozens and dozens of coaches respond with pique to a reporter. Frequently it's a continuation of some prior exchange. John McKay didn't change his demeanor but he could verbally slit the throat of a reporter with surgical precision. The reporter didn't know it until the next time he moved their head.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Well, have a good night. I really don't want to argue with you; it's a waste of my time. In the future, just ignore posts you don't understand.

I suddenly feel inferior. Thanks Father Sorin. I'll take that under advisement. Have a great week you swingin' cat, you...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

What is it with some of you people? Are you incapable of responding in a civil manner? As far as it being a "new era," I'm aware of that; in the old era, ND slaughtered teams like Wake Forest. And yes some reporters are "cockroaches;" this particular cockroach simply asked Kelly why he thought the offense might be struggling. It was a civil question and on that a lot of Notre Dame fans asked last night.

Probably because we just won a big game on the road and he felt like he was being micro-managed by the media. How's that?

 

[palinurus]

I posted in the wrong thread. I had posted the spread for the UMD game. I deleted it, Noted "wrong thread" and then posted it in the correct thread.


I hadn't read the previous posts. Looking back, you are in the wrong thread. You should be posting in a "I want to bash Kelly thread". Tulsa, public demeanor, Swarbrick, upperclassmen, etc have nothing to do with Wake Forest. You didn't speak to an issue, you launched an agenda.

I've seen Holtz, Davie, Weis, Paterno, Bryant, Bowden, Spurrier, Saban, and dozens and dozens of coaches respond with pique to a reporter. Frequently it's a continuation of some prior exchange. John McKay didn't change his demeanor but he could verbally slit the throat of a reporter with surgical precision. The reporter didn't know it until the next time he moved their head.

Yeah, a lot of coaches do that; I don't recall Holtz doing it. But you are wrong about something. I don't have an agenda. I asked a legitimate question. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was a place where you could discuss fair questions intelligently. The "issue," as you put it, is whether the pressure of the job is making Kelly act in a manner that is unbecoming a school and team that presumable we all love and care about. I honestly hope for Kelly's success; I just want it done in a way that befits a great school like Notre Dame.

 

[palinurus]

Probably because we just won a big game on the road and he felt like he was being micro-managed by the media. How's that?

I'm happy they won, too. And I think the media is largely biased against ND. There are teams ranked ahead of them that I think are clearly not better than the Irish; but they can't crack the rankings. So if it's an anti-media thing, I get that. I just really don't understand Kelly's behavior last night or, for that matter, why so many posters here jump on an honest, fair question. Seems like a lot of anger aimed at an ally.

 

[Buster Bluth]

How can you not understand Kelly's anger last night? I'd have done the same thing.

It was the same annoyance he had during Navy week when everyone kept asking questions about USC. The reports don't do a very good job of mixing up their questions and sensing when a guy is annoyed and backing off that topic.

 

[BobD]

How can you not understand Kelly's anger last night? I'd have done the same thing.

It was the same annoyance he had during Navy week when everyone kept asking questions about USC. The reports don't do a very good job of mixing up their questions and sensing when a guy is annoyed and backing off that topic.

I'd only be a HC until my first loss, after that, I'm sure I'd be a convict for choking a reporter.

 

[kmoose]

Yeah, a lot of coaches do that; I don't recall Holtz doing it. But you are wrong about something. I don't have an agenda. I asked a legitimate question. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought this was a place where you could discuss fair questions intelligently. The "issue," as you put it, is whether the pressure of the job is making Kelly act in a manner that is unbecoming a school and team that presumable we all love and care about. I honestly hope for Kelly's success; I just want it done in a way that befits a great school like Notre Dame.

In answer to your question..........

No. Kelly is intense, which is one of the pillars that ND was built on. You think Rockne was some kind of senatorial presence? He was well known for having a volatile temper. ALL great college football coaches have a limit to their tolerance of dumbness. I didn't hear the exact question, so I can't say whether Kelly overreacted. But, even if he did, it would actually be in keeping with the great coaches of ND's past. It's not like he called the guy an idiot, or an a$$hole.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

In answer to your question..........

No. Kelly is intense, which is one of the pillars that ND was built on. You think Rockne was some kind of senatorial presence? He was well known for having a volatile temper. ALL great college football coaches have a limit to their tolerance of dumbness. I didn't hear the exact question, so I can't say whether Kelly overreacted. But, even if he did, it would actually be in keeping with the great coaches of ND's past. It's not like he called the guy an idiot, or an a$$hole.

Watched it and it was absolutely nothing.

 

[palinurus]

How can you not understand Kelly's anger last night? I'd have done the same thing.

It was the same annoyance he had during Navy week when everyone kept asking questions about USC. The reports don't do a very good job of mixing up their questions and sensing when a guy is annoyed and backing off that topic.

Some reporters' questions are dumb, no doubt. But I wonder how many ND fans left that game feeling like, "we had it all the way." Or "The offense is really humming." Or "I'm really satisfied with the way the offense or Rees is playing." I watched the whole game, and I didn't think that. I thought they were ready to pull away in the third quarter, but it didn't happen. I mean, Floyd is fantastic and made a great catch last night, but they have a hard time taking advantage of him.

I skimmed through the comments by posters here last night and frustration was not uncommon. So I don't know why the question by the reporter was unfair. I mean, like someone said, maybe he and Kelly have a history, but these guys are paid well to do things that reflect well on the university.

Okay, maybe I'm beating a dead horse....

 

[palinurus]

In answer to your question..........

No. Kelly is intense, which is one of the pillars that ND was built on. You think Rockne was some kind of senatorial presence? He was well known for having a volatile temper. ALL great college football coaches have a limit to their tolerance of dumbness. I didn't hear the exact question, so I can't say whether Kelly overreacted. But, even if he did, it would actually be in keeping with the great coaches of ND's past. It's not like he called the guy an idiot, or an a$$hole.

I like "intense." I don't mind "temper." I just raised last night's exchange as another incident related to the broader issue of temperament.

Here's the exchange as presented by NBC:

"Kelly was even combative when challenged about his offense’s modest output.

" 'Is there a negative to everything? We just won a football game on the road,' Kelly said to a inquisitive reporter. 'Really, what kind of question is that? Really, what do you want me to say? What’s the answer. We won 24-17 against a good football team and you want to know what’s wrong with the passing game. You know what’s wrong with it? The coach doesn’t call good plays. How’s that? There’s nothing wrong with it. We’re fine. We just won a good game.' "

So NBC thought it "combative." I wouldn't go that far, but I'd just as soon he be more adept at this. I've seen Saban rip guys who asked him about the Heismann and some of his guys, and I thought it looked bad. And I wonder if it's a trend.

 

[kmoose]

I like "intense." I don't mind "temper." I just raised last night's exchange as another incident related to the broader issue of temperament.

Here's the exchange as presented by NBC:

"Kelly was even combative when challenged about his offense’s modest output.

" 'Is there a negative to everything? We just won a football game on the road,' Kelly said to a inquisitive reporter. 'Really, what kind of question is that? Really, what do you want me to say? What’s the answer. We won 24-17 against a good football team and you want to know what’s wrong with the passing game. You know what’s wrong with it? The coach doesn’t call good plays. How’s that? There’s nothing wrong with it. We’re fine. We just won a good game.' "

So NBC thought it "combative." I wouldn't go that far, but I'd just as soon he be more adept at this. I've seen Saban rip guys who asked him about the Heismann and some of his guys, and I thought it looked bad. And I wonder if it's a trend.

The reporter who wrote the piece for NBC thought it was combative. He was probably the same schmuck who asked Kelly what was wrong with the passing game.......