"Notre Dame's back and ... overrated?"

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Michael Rosenberg / Special to FOXSports.com
Posted: 8 minutes ago

Notre Dame is back!



<!-- FOXBITE -->Have you heard? This fall, the Fighting Irish can win the national championship, Brady Quinn should win the Heisman Trophy and Charlie Weis is the early favorite for the Papacy, though he might turn it down on the grounds that his current job is more important. These are all wonderful developments for college football. People have often said that college football needs Notre Dame. I don't know about that. Notre Dame went away for a decade or so and the sport seemed just fine without it. But college football is definitely better off with Notre Dame in the national spotlight.
The Fighting Irish reek of tradition. Find me an American who doesn't know about Rockne, the Gipper and Touchdown Jesus and I'll demand to see a passport. Notre Dame Stadium is one of the coolest sports venues on the planet. The Irish have an extraordinary history of winning. They've had arguably more great coaches over the years than any other school.
And as good as the Irish have been, they would probably have been even better except that every few years, when the football program gets too big, academic types tend to worry and tighten standards and a performance dropoff usually follows.
Notre Dame-haters hate to admit all that, which is part of the fun. But to see if Notre Dame is truly back, we must examine whether the Irish meet the following three standards:
1. A Great Coach You Can Hate


Lou Holtz was one of the best coaches of his era, wildly entertaining and, if you were in the mood, easy to loathe. He'd say things like "This is the best Navy team I've ever seen" and "I don't know how we can stay on the field with Army" and people across the country would want to pick him up and strangle him, which seemed highly possible since he appeared to be 4-foot-6 and weigh 67 pounds.
Plus, there was that book Under the Tarnished Dome, which Holtz claimed not to have read and supposedly revealed Notre Dame to be a cheating fraud, though frankly I never read it.
And as a game coach, Holtz was one of the best of the last 30 years.
On first glance, Charlie Weis doesn't fit the bill. First of all, despite the wonderful success he had last year — and despite the accolades being sent his way — we really can't call him a great coach yet. He has only been a head coach for one season.
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And last year, he called that play for a child who had just passed away, one of the nicer sports moments of the last decade. Doesn't seem possible to hate a guy like that.
Ah, but Charlie has come through. He spars with reporters. He talks a tough game. Sometimes, he seems genuinely offended that anybody else is trying to coach the game he invented.
VERDICT: We can't say for sure, but it looks promising.
2. National Championship Hopes


Let's be honest: Just as it's no fun loving a bad team, it's not much fun hating a bad team. Notre Dame fans — especially the subway alums who only care about the team and not the school — did not enjoy the Bob Davie era and didn't much like the Tyrone Willingham era, either. And even for the haters, the fun of seeing Davie look befuddled by his team's four-touchdown deficit wore off after a while.
Now Notre Dame is No. 2 in the AP poll and tied for third in the coaches' poll. But there are legitimate questions about the defense, overall talent level and whether Notre Dame is truly ready to make a national-title run.
VERDICT: I'm not sold, but that's OK, because it brings up ...
3. The Suspicion That Notre Dame Is Overrated Because Everybody Wants a Great Story like "Notre Dame Is Back!"


Bingo!
Nothing against Notre Dame. Nothing against Quinn. Nothing against Weis.
But it's fair to wonder if a team by any other name would be just as hyped. This is a program that hasn't won a bowl game since President Clinton's first term. Sure, the Irish finished No. 6 in the country and almost upset USC, but their last game was a bad loss to Ohio State and they finished 9-3 — a strong 9-3, but still 9-3. Remember, Willingham had a similar first year.
Also, the schedule is filled with mines: Georgia Tech and USC on the road; Michigan, Penn State, Purdue and UCLA at home. And I didn't even mention Michigan State, which has dominated Notre Dame in recent years.
Swirl that around your mouth for a second: Michigan State, which has defined mediocrity for most of the last few decades, has dominated Notre Dame. The Spartans have won five straight games in South Bend. That's not to say Notre Dame can't win the national championship, just that the Irish might be a tad overrated.
Then again, maybe Notre Dame is just that good. That's the beauty of sports: as the season unfolds, we'll find out.
VERDICT: It's been a long time since crowds chanted "overrated" during a Notre Dame game. Maybe this is the year.
Back, indeed.
 

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I think Rosenberg is baiting the haters with his headline.
 
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Obvious bait, and nonsense, especially considering Oklahoma is so highly ranked this year. Nothing against Peterson. Nothing against Stoops. But...

ND was much better than OK last year. And brings back more key players. And had a better recruiting class. Where are the "Oklahoma is overrated" people? Before Bomar went out, OK was being touted as top 5. Even without him, they're top 10 preseason. Based on what?
 
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Is anyone else just a little bit frustrated with how manic-depressive the media are with ND? Two years ago they were sounding the death knell on ESPN, now it's like we are the only team they talk about.

And I thought WE FANS were fickle. Haha!
 
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I think it's a fair assessment, but you can't say that Weis & Willingham had similar years, even if that's what their records indicate.
 

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the things said about holtz looking like he was 67 lbs and 4 6 reminded me of him grabbing 300 lbs linemen by the face mask and damn near climbing themn like trees id like to see some one try and strangle lou he might look fragile but grab his hat and see what happens for all the reast its just more mumbo jumbo
 

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It'll be hard for an opposing teams fans to chant "Overrated", if they're down by 3 touchdowns.

Exactly. People keep bringing up Michigan State as a potential upset. If I recall correctly, last year the defense was lining up in a 4-3 against a 4-receiver set. That won't happen this year. ND will trounce MSU. People are pumping Georgia Tech up. Yes they have Calvin Johnson, but they still have Reggie Ball throwing to him. I live in ACC country and he has not been good the last two years. Anyway, this article didn't make much sense to me and just seemed to be baiting the haters. Are we overrated?......maybe. You can say that about alot of teams right now. Oklahoma has Paul Thompson, who did not throw much at all this summer, at QB and they are still Top 15. Now that's overrated.
 
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Michael Rosenberg / Special to FOXSports.com

Notre Dame is back!

First of all, despite the wonderful success he had last year — and despite the accolades being sent his way — we really can't call him a great coach yet. He has only been a head coach for one season. <table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="164"><tbody><tr><td></td></tr><tr><td class="caption"><id></id></td></tr></tbody></table>

Probably as weak an analytical statement as I've ever read or heard on Charlie Weis.

I don't understand.
What don't people get about the skill of a man who led the New England Patriots offense to 3 NFL championships in 4 years.

"Well he wasn't the head coach in the pros", they'll say.

Do they think that a man who led premiere athletes, at the pinnacle of the sport, using the most sophisticated, state of the art offensive strategy that the NFL has seen up til now, can't run a college program?? That conviction defies belief.

Guys enjoy this decade, the great ones don't come around very often and many times we don't realize it unil their careers are almost over.

Some will come more slowly than others to this realization.

Me, I've seen all the evidence I need to see. So on Katrina's anniversary, I say.......Laissez les bon temp rouler !
 
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Oh, another thing I didn't like---he said subway alums don't care about the school.. while I'm sure that's true of a few, I doubt it is of the vast majority.
 

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I'm perfectly okay with being irrelevant, overrated, overhyped, or whatever adjective is tied to the program on a daily basis by the media.
 
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The whole Weis Willingham similar seasons thing drives me nuts. This statement is from those who just look at the records W & L's because that was were the similarities ended. Charlie's version of the Irish went out and won games. It lost a few too. 1 in overtime, 1 in the last few seconds (Or extra few seconds depending how you saw it) and then flat got out played in one but still in the game in the 4th QTR. While Ty's loss's the offense was non-exsistent or the game was a blowout. Several of his wins were by the Defense "saving" the team with great plays. While Ty had to "install" his offense and it would take time for them to get it. Charlie's offense was installed in the Fall Practice and had an immediate effect on the team.

Willinghams great start and following fizzle still sit in the back of my mind. But, I feel that this is a different coach that will not let the team fizzle because they go out to win games. They do not go out a put out their best effort and hope for a victory. They step on the field and dare the other team to take the win away from them.
 

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great point az irish they dont even compare to c dubs team having said that i was one hell of a happy guy when they where 10 2 non the less
 

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Willinghams great start and following fizzle still sit in the back of my mind. But, I feel that this is a different coach that will not let the team fizzle because they go out to win games. They do not go out a put out their best effort and hope for a victory. They step on the field and dare the other team to take the win away from them.

The team is in so much better shape. Charlie IS a known quantity from an offensive perspective.

ND was not winning on the luck of the D. They were playing real ball...real stats, etc.

In 3 years with Ty the offense was anemic at best. Even in his good season.

The one game of Ty's that I remember where he outcoached another guy...FSU vs ND at Doak Walker. God what a great day that was.

I would rather NOT talk about the 2003 season to follow.
 

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yea another thing i dont want to hear this year is the luck of the irish its all skill from hear on out
 
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