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Maybe we're moneyballing the OC position. We just need to find a cheap one that gets on base.
 
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irishff1014 said:
Go read Dale's post. He is 100% correct right. Something seems off here. They knew the buyout so what changed?

I don't think the whole story is known yet.
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I think the other posters have nailed it. He probably wanted Harding (who utah fans assumed would be promoted) and ND didn't factor the combo in, It does make the most sense.
 
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Here's the thing about the buyout though. If he truly has a full buyout on a rolling 3 year basis, we could probably get him to sign that same type of contract. Maybe even with a smaller buyout if he's fired since he would be making more. In that case, if he is good, we either get the buyout money back or he stays for a longer time than the two or three years like normal coordinators. And if he's bad, if we can get a lower buyout for firing, it costs less to get the next guy.
 
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irishff1014 said:
Go read Dale's post. He is 100% correct right. Something seems off here. They knew the buyout so what changed?

I don't think the whole story is known yet.
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I would sure the hell hope so, but that's not what's being reported. So what else would it be? What value is it for ND to cry poverty in light of an OC search? Who's covering what up? If Ludwig had a change of heart, just fucking say that. Rejection is better than shallow pockets in today's game. The optics are brutal right now.
 
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How are the insiders reacting to this? Driskell just dressed down the university so he didn't see it coming.
 
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Kingbish01 said:
I think the other posters have nailed it. He probably wanted Harding (who utah fans assumed would be promoted) and ND didn't factor the combo in, It does make the most sense.
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It’s the only thing that makes sense in that sure ND could, even should still pay it, but it makes sense timeline wise to have a change of heart

- will you pay this buyout + salary for Andy Ludwig?

Yes.

- actually Harry retired, I need this for Ludwig on top of this for Harding.

No.

That’s the only theory that still makes ND look bad but one ounce less bad if it is indeed money.
 
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Dale said:
Rittenberg and FootballScoop

FootballScoop is the one saying buyouts total almost $4 million, which includes an apparent $1 million roughly then for an OL Coach. That’s why I think if anything this could have broken down at the inclusion of Harding.
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Footballscoop is referencing Thamel. Rittenberg also referencing Thamel. So again, anybody not referencing Thamel reporting this?
 
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Dale said:
It’s the only thing that makes sense in that sure ND could, even should still pay it, but it makes sense timeline wise to have a change of heart

- will you pay this buyout + salary for Andy Ludwig?

Yes.

- actually Harry retired, I need this for Ludwig on top of this for Harding.

No.
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Harry retired last week tho, so it shouldn't have changed the equation at all.
 
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CANONIZEFATHERSORIN said:
kinda wanna email father pat (the guy being groomed as an eventual heir) and get his take on all this
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It's going to be Fr. Bob Dowd, then Fr. Pat. (I think.) I think both understand the importance of sports at ND. With whatever other limits ND places on itself, money cannot be an obstacle.
 
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Doesn’t ND have a 13 billon dollar endowment? I think 20 years ago that was our national debt
 
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Te'o4Heisman said:
Footballscoop is referencing Thamel. Rittenberg also referencing Thamel. So again, anybody not referencing Thamel reporting this?
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Rittenberg quoted him to credit him and FootballScoop referenced him to credit him, but explicitly said sources tell FootballScoop on the $4 million part.

Regardless, Thamel is rarely wrong. It’s just not the full picture possibly.
 
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Meet the last 35 years of ND Football.
Holtz pushed out by Mongoloid Monk Malloy
Bob Davie
George O'Leary lol
Tyrone "5 Handicap" Willingham
Chuck "10 Burger Schematic Advantage" Weis
BK dips bc the University won't allow him to win. Started shopping a different aisle bc of Admin
Common Denominator falls right back to the Admin and BOT.
Te'o4Heisman said:
Has anybody seen this reported by anyone other than Thamel or somebody crediting Thamel? I know he's usually pretty spot on but this one just smells funny. No way in hell ND brings the man in knowing his buyout, wines and dines him, wastes a weekend of his life, as well as a weekend of their HC’s life just to embarrass themselves and their young head coach on a national stage. Either Thamel is flat out wrong, or he is right about the outcome, but wrong about why. Even leadership at ND is not incompetent enough to trip on their own dicks like this.
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Dale said:
It’s the only thing that makes sense in that sure ND could, even should still pay it, but it makes sense timeline wise to have a change of heart

- will you pay this buyout + salary for Andy Ludwig?

Yes.

- actually Harry retired, I need this for Ludwig on top of this for Harding.

No.
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I mean, if Harry’s retirement was known 2 weeks ago as reported, are they really stupid enough to not think through it that Ludwig if offered might want to bring his guy? Anything is possible, and Im far from the smartest guy in the world but I surely could have Thought through this and not potentially detonated the relationship with my new head coach after the last guy left and publicly outed my lack of commitment to giving him the resources to build a championship program.
 
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Dale said:
It’s the only thing that makes sense in that sure ND could, even should still pay it, but it makes sense timeline wise to have a change of heart

- will you pay this buyout + salary for Andy Ludwig?

Yes.

- actually Harry retired, I need this for Ludwig on top of this for Harding.

No.
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Or maybe even MF wouldn’t stipulate to that.

“Yeah, Andy, you can bring your OL coach.”
“He has a 1mil buyout.”
“No then, you can’t bring him.”

While it makes sense that MF and ND would know Ludwig’s buyout details, especially the cozier they got, they may not have known Harding’s buyout info.
The nfl supposedly sets a high standard for due diligence on vetting players and coaches, and they miss things like arrests, family members, hangers on, etc.
I can’t fault ND too much if they didn’t know the details of Utah’s OL coach’s contract, and/or weren’t enthralled with Harding anyway.
 
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The initial buyout, in Ludwig's second to last contract, was reported as $450,000. So the buyout went from $450,000 to $2.8 million in the most recent extension?

www.sltrib.com

Utah offensive coordinator Andy Ludwig’s $2.5 million contract ranks high among Pac-12 assistants

Andy Ludwig is the first offensive coordinator to have worked under Utah football coach Kyle Whittingham and says he wants to be the last person in that job. The school is investing heavily in an effort to make that happen.
www.sltrib.com www.sltrib.com
 
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Dale said:
Rittenberg quoted him to credit him and FootballScoop referenced him to credit him, but explicitly said sources tell FootballScoop on the $4 million part.

Regardless, Thamel is rarely wrong. It’s just not the full picture possibly.
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I mean semantics but not really, football scoop is only noting sources provided them with what the buyout number is for those two coaches.
More may or may not come out but this did not go down over a buyout that was known beforehand.
 
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The fact that the completely clueless ND beat is reacting with emotion and not insight actually gives me solace that the full story is yet to come. Cryin’ Bryan Dryskall leading the charge
 
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