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Defense wins games, wins championships. Although I love CW and what he brings to the Irish, they will never take it to the next level without some type of DEFENSE. Before we make CW a saint, look back at TW first season, not much different. Watching tonight's game, no big plays, the secondary would have a tough time covering a high school team. Living in Penn State country, I'll have to listen to this until they win next year!!!!
 

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once CW gets who he wants in that secondary and we can get a few of these clowns out of there we'll be a lot better. Wooden and Richardson....yeah they need to go!
 

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Much different team

Much different team

Ty won the 1st year because of a experienced & talented defense esp in the secondary. Ty didn't recruit well...thats why he is gone.

I think Charlie will recruit better...he'll get us back on top
 
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Secondary

I keep hoping that will happen, many years of watching receivers run by d-backs for touchdowns gets old. Go ND!!!!!
 
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This is a much different team. While the defense was what we expected, the offense did nothing, not because of poor coaching, but because of missed opportunities by the players. Hell, the WRs couldn't make a catch to save their lives in the first half. I hardly blame the schemes for that. Then, the O-line couldn't block four guys, simply because of individual poor efforts. Maybe you can blame the coaches for lack of motivation, but individual underachievement by the players seemed to be the main problem. Not to mention some piss poor calls or lack of calls by the Protestant Conspiracy known as SEC Officiating.
 
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Officiating

And I thought it was just me who thought the calls sucked!!!!
 

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The officiating had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. OSU had over 600 yards on us that had nothing to do with the officiating. Weis got out coached. In a game were ND's offense and OSU defense was to rule the stage OSU's offense dominated.
 

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Troubling comments from irishwavend. You cannot cry wolf (say there's anti-Catholicism) and say those type of things. If you do, you are a hypocrite.

Look, Weis got out coached. Whoever said that is right. Whoever the DC was did a poor job. He should have learned from the Michigan game, but instead, he fell into the EXACT SAME TRAPS that doomed us. First, he tried to stop short runs up the middle and medium range passes. So, what does OSU do? They throw it up top. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Next, you need to have a weak side OLB spot Smith in case he runs. What happened on key 3rd and long situations. Smith scrambled for 1st downs. Your DC really screwed up this game. He had a game to go on, but instead he failed to learn from other teams' mistakes. And the offensive playcalling wasn't that great either. Why did Weis abandon the run so early? Why did he try to go up top in the 1st quarter? I mean, did he really think OSU's linebackers were just going to sit there and give Quinn all day? And forget Quinn winning anything next year. He cannot make good decisions under pressure or when the play is busted. This was clearly evident today and when I saw him a while back. Quinn is the beneficiary of Weis, who usually calls great games where first options are always open. Today was an exception, of course.

This game should have been 45-7. I think this is a huge setback for your program. You can't lose by being dominated by the other team (offense, defense, coaching). And what was really funny was Weis saying after the game about gambling. Well, I guess what he meant to say was "OSU is much better, so we have to gamble to win" Yeah, great coach you've got there. I just can't wait until next year when we annhilate you guys in a revenge game.
 
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yea just like you guys beat down Nebraska, you and three loss lloyd got a great chance to beat us, right. We will be back in the BCS and you guys can have fun in the alamo bowl, with your 3 losses. We lost it happens, but we lost to a good team, you got beat down by a poor Nebraska team. Quinn will be a heisman candidate next year, and Henne will just keep falling off, and praying Edwards would have not ever left, how bout them huskers! we will take our loss and move, look at our schedule next year we will be in the bcs next year easy, and michigan will be looking for a new coach and probably losing to another nebraska level team
 

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jkmoline said:
yea just like you guys beat down Nebraska, you and three loss lloyd got a great chance to beat us, right. We will be back in the BCS and you guys can have fun in the alamo bowl, with your 3 losses. We lost it happens, but we lost to a good team, you got beat down by a poor Nebraska team. Quinn will be a heisman candidate next year, and Henne will just keep falling off, and praying Edwards would have not ever left, how bout them huskers! we will take our loss and move, look at our schedule next year we will be in the bcs next year easy, and michigan will be looking for a new coach and probably losing to another nebraska level team

What are you talking about...is this a Michigan board? We didn't lose to Nebraska this year.
 

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VictorsValiant said:
Yeah, great coach you've got there. I just can't wait until next year when we annhilate you guys in a revenge game.

Isn't that what you all been saying for the last two years? Talk about getting outcoached, Ty Willingham outcoached Lloyd Carr for christ's sake. If the officals didn't job PSU and give them 3 more seconds on the clock you lose that game also.
 

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tjwalsh65 said:
Defense wins games, wins championships. Although I love CW and what he brings to the Irish, they will never take it to the next level without some type of DEFENSE. Before we make CW a saint, look back at TW first season, not much different. Watching tonight's game, no big plays, the secondary would have a tough time covering a high school team. Living in Penn State country, I'll have to listen to this until they win next year!!!!


New Year, same results???

Funny, this time last year, ND was 6-6, unranked, lost in a low tier bowl to an unranked team, had a recruiting program in disarray (finished 27th), and didn't even have a head coach in residence

A year later, ND is 9-3, nationally ranked, lost in a BCS Bowl, currently has the 4th ranked recruiting class, and that rookie head coach was voted The Coach of The Year (in no small part for only allowing 5 more points with a defense that returned only 3 starters and a secondary composed of 4 former offensive players).

For the first time in history, ND has a 3000 yd passer, TWO - 1,000 yd receivers, and a 1,000 yd rusher. The QB set numerous records including ALL-Time QB Efficiency. The place kicker set an XP record. Stovall, Samardzija AND Walker all set receiving records. The TEAM scored the most points in ND history and recorded the highest BCS Final Ranking in ND history. A year ago ND scored the same number of points as the opposition, a differnential of 0.0. This year (with only 3 defensive starters returning) the TEAM has a scoring differential of + 146 points.

The list of accomplishments is exhaustive and they will continue to grow for this is a work in progress something you instant gratification "fans" are unable to absorb.

The only "results" that are the same are a year end loss (altought to a significantly stronger opponent) and your pusillanimous comment "Living in Penn State country, I'll have to listen to this until they win next year!!!!"

Poor baby, hide your ND gear (I suspect you did in the second quarter anyway), stay home or get your mommy to go to school with you, or get some intestinal fortitude and become a true fan and wear your ND gear with pride. If you can't wear it with pride you shouldn't own it, whether ND is 12-0 or 0-12.
 

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Troubling comments from irishwavend. You cannot cry wolf (say there's anti-Catholicism) and say those type of things. If you do, you are a hypocrite.

Look, Weis got out coached. Whoever said that is right. Whoever the DC was did a poor job. He should have learned from the Michigan game, but instead, he fell into the EXACT SAME TRAPS that doomed us. First, he tried to stop short runs up the middle and medium range passes. So, what does OSU do? They throw it up top. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Next, you need to have a weak side OLB spot Smith in case he runs. What happened on key 3rd and long situations. Smith scrambled for 1st downs. Your DC really screwed up this game. He had a game to go on, but instead he failed to learn from other teams' mistakes. And the offensive playcalling wasn't that great either. Why did Weis abandon the run so early? Why did he try to go up top in the 1st quarter? I mean, did he really think OSU's linebackers were just going to sit there and give Quinn all day? And forget Quinn winning anything next year. He cannot make good decisions under pressure or when the play is busted. This was clearly evident today and when I saw him a while back. Quinn is the beneficiary of Weis, who usually calls great games where first options are always open. Today was an exception, of course.

This game should have been 45-7. I think this is a huge setback for your program. You can't lose by being dominated by the other team (offense, defense, coaching). And what was really funny was Weis saying after the game about gambling. Well, I guess what he meant to say was "OSU is much better, so we have to gamble to win" Yeah, great coach you've got there. I just can't wait until next year when we annhilate you guys in a revenge game.

Normally I find the anti-Catholic angle overworked. But the night before New Year's I was sitting in a bar with my wife and friends when the owner called me over to the bar. An Auburn fan with his back to me was expounding on the two team he hates the most, Alabama and Notre Dame. I found that curious as ND and Auburn have never played and most Auburn fans I know including my brother and sister-in-law Auburn alumni relish that ND had whipped Alabama 4 out of 5 games and Bear Bryant never could beat ND. I didn't say anything and the Tiger fan as the owner asked, "I understand your dislike for arch rival Alabama where I went to school but why do you hate Notre Dame? The Auburn fan angrily replied, "Those damn catholics cheated Auburn out of a BCS Bowl for two straight years. We need more SEC coaches like Spurrier to vote them down because all the papist coaches vote them high. The SEC has to stop them!

"At this point I asked, "How did an unranked ND team knocked Auburn out of the BCS last year?" He turned around and eyeballed me and asked who I was. The owner replied, "The ND on his hat doesn't stand for North Dakota. He's our resident Irish fan. Oh, and he follows the SEC as well as the ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and PAC 10, so don't run your mouth unless you have a clue what you're talking about." The Tiger fan paid his bill and left without another word. The conversation took place about a mile from SEC Headquarters.

Does that make SEC refs into a anti-catholic conspiracy? NO! Does it mean that there are bigots in SEC land, you bet! Just like in Wolverineland.

And Yes, Victors Valiant, Quinn did benefit from Weis's coaching and playcalling just as Henne has thrived under Carr's tutelage. Good coaching has a way of developing talent as you can testify. By the way, how many championship rings did Tom Brady win with Lloyd?

Your kidding us about being a Wolverweasel aren't you? You're really a Duckfan in afraid to admit it. No Wolverine, well no sober one anyway would post, "I just can't wait until next year when we annhilate you guys in a revenge game". Lloyd couldn't beat a Weis in his first year as a college head coach with only 3 returning defensive starters. Hell, he only beat Willingham once in 3 tries. Michigan's lost 3 out of the last 4 while ranked 7th, 5th, 8th, and 3rd. ND was ranked 20th, 15th, UNRANKED (UM's only win), and 20th.

If you are a misinformed Wolverine, keep practicing that Stanford Band play. It was your most potent play in the Alamo Bowl. By next year you should have 9 laterals down pat and can probably all the way to the 10.

And if you really are a Duckfan, shame about that San Diego trip. Win your conference next time and control your own destiny.
 

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KMac151993 said:
What are you talking about...is this a Michigan board? We didn't lose to Nebraska this year.

He was clearly responding to a proclaimed Wolverline troll who was running his mouth without engaging his brain.


NEW FLASH!

The formerly #20 ranked Michigan Wolverines lost to the unranked Huskers last Wedsnesday on national TV.
 

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How can a scUM fan come out here and talk $hit to us? Revenge game?

This is the same guy who about a month ago said Troy Smith wasn't any good. Great scouting report. Did you said that to Rick Minter?

Fact is, Weis got a road win against scUM and won against teams like Pitt, Purdue and Stanford...teams ND should beat but hasn't in the past. Otherwise, looked poorly on defense against just about everyone. MSU and OSU's spread offenses were major problems.

The offense looked fantastic. Ran into a buzzsaw last night against a VERY good defense. A pretty good majority of them will be back. Things will still be okay.

This was step one in the first year head coach's new tenure. I wouldn't go flying your maize and blue streamers just yet. Cause while scUM is pounding some MAC also ran up in the Outhouse, ND will be on the road against Georgia Tech...who plays in the ACC. That's a BCS conference.

Enjoy the tuneup because when you come to South Bend, scUM will face a real football team. Not Northern Illinois or Eastern Michigan.
 
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Ditto!! The quick 10 year contract still doesn't make any sense to me- win the big ones didn't reward CW. He had a good run- but so did many other first year coaches @ ND- and they didn't get any love like he has received- Mind boggling!
 
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didn't recruit well- dude, what are you sippin? The players that CDUB now were Ty's recruits
 

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DeeRock said:
didn't recruit well- dude, what are you sippin? The players that CDUB now were Ty's recruits

6-6 last year. 9-3 this year. Recruiting classes of 14 players?

Ty's defense recruits looked putrid last night, if that's your argument. As for the offense, get a gander at the media guide in 2006 and see how many records were broken.

Sippin truth. Welcome to Irish Envy, DeeRock.
 

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First of all, I can assure you I'm not a Duck fan. In fact, we hate them more than you, since they spoiled a possible championship season two years back. We're so mad we have them on the schedule in 2007, and don't think it's not lost on the fans why they're there.

All I was saying in my post was how disappointed I was the watch the game. I didn't see much greatness coming out of Weis or his coaching staff. It seemed to me that they were arrogant about it, thinking that what worked throughout the season was somehow magically going to work against OSU.

And everyone is right to criticize a FIVE LOSS season. This is truly unacceptable. I think Michigan will beat teams next year IN SPITE of Carr, who's there only because he won a championship a while back. This talk of our downfall is only going to help the players, who'll stop being complacent and start playing well in games. It will also be a wake up call for Carr and his fellow incompetants that they need to actually coach rather than just recruit (Carr does recruit very well).

But next year, Weis will be in his second year, Minnesota won't have a 20+ year losing steak on the shoulders, Alvarez will be gone, Nebraska will probably win again, and OSU will lose players. This year was a aberration. If not, then Lloyd should be fired. There will be a long line of prospective college/pro coaches waiting to take the job.
 
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Hey Michigan, how about graduating a minority player once in awhile, that would be good. And yea you will beat IU and Illinois, but hell even TY beat you when he was here, don't count on us losing to Michigan anytime soon. Sure you recruit, its nice to find athletes with a gpa of 2 and a SAT of 700, but your recruiting classes are not even close to the talent we are bringing in now, Im sick of michigan thinking they are in our class, we graduate kids and beat you with the worst coach we ever had, you wont beat us next year or anytime soon, good luck being average
 

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Get a look at this schedule:

Date Opponent
Sept. 2 BALL STATE
Sept. 9 CENTRAL MICHIGAN
Sept. 16 at Notre Dame
Sept. 23 WISCONSIN*
Sept. 30 at Minnesota*
Oct. 7 MICHIGAN STATE*
Oct. 14 at Penn State*
Oct. 21 IOWA*
Oct. 28 NORTHWESTERN (HC)
Nov. 4 Bye
Nov. 11 at Indiana*
Nov. 18 at Ohio State*

At ND after the MAC season, at PSU and at Ohio State. Three tough ones on the road, but other than that this schedule is winnable.

The Pac 10 is a step up from the MAC, so don't be mad Oregon will be on the schedule. Michigan will play an out of conference game against a BCS school. Admirable.

The talent level there is as good as it's been, so I'm not sure what happened this year. I do know Breaston and Hart were hurt most of the year, so a healthy squad with this schedule = no excuses.

That said, the pressure is on. More than 3 losses might signal the end of the Lloyd Carr Era.

I'm sure officiating crews everywhere will miss his voice in their eardrums.
 

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New Year, same results???

Funny, this time last year, ND was 6-6, unranked, lost in a low tier bowl to an unranked team, had a recruiting program in disarray (finished 27th), and didn't even have a head coach in residence

A year later, ND is 9-3, nationally ranked, lost in a BCS Bowl, currently has the 4th ranked recruiting class, and that rookie head coach was voted The Coach of The Year (in no small part for only allowing 5 more points with a defense that returned only 3 starters and a secondary composed of 4 former offensive players).

For the first time in history, ND has a 3000 yd passer, TWO - 1,000 yd receivers, and a 1,000 yd rusher. The QB set numerous records including ALL-Time QB Efficiency. The place kicker set an XP record. Stovall, Samardzija AND Walker all set receiving records. The TEAM scored the most points in ND history and recorded the highest BCS Final Ranking in ND history. A year ago ND scored the same number of points as the opposition, a differnential of 0.0. This year (with only 3 defensive starters returning) the TEAM has a scoring differential of + 146 points.

The list of accomplishments is exhaustive and they will continue to grow for this is a work in progress something you instant gratification "fans" are unable to absorb.

The only "results" that are the same are a year end loss (altought to a significantly stronger opponent) and your pusillanimous comment "Living in Penn State country, I'll have to listen to this until they win next year!!!!"

Poor baby, hide your ND gear (I suspect you did in the second quarter anyway), stay home or get your mommy to go to school with you, or get some intestinal fortitude and become a true fan and wear your ND gear with pride. If you can't wear it with pride you shouldn't own it, whether ND is 12-0 or 0-12.

Outstanding post. This is no time to be timid or ashamed. Last night hurt, but it showed us the reality of how much work is yet to be done. This rebuild isn't happening overnight. But it is happening. The level of play and execution from last year has improved by leaps and bounds. A year ago we were lost and scared.

Now, I'm confident that things are on the way back up. This game is not a set back. It was a barometer. Ohio St. is a damned good football team, as much as I hate to admit it. ND is a good football team and is working on the "damned" part.
 

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Are you kidding me? Michigan fans on here talking smack after last night? Letting big brother do your dirty work for you?

The funniest part was attributing the 20 game losing streak for the reason the Gophers beat you this year. Right, because they weren't fired up after 10, 15 or 19 losses.
 

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DeeRock said:
Ditto!! The quick 10 year contract still doesn't make any sense to me- win the big ones didn't reward CW. He had a good run- but so did many other first year coaches @ ND- and they didn't get any love like he has received- Mind boggling!

They didn't have NFL teams knocking on their door.
 

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Victors,

I'm relieved to hear you're a bonafide weasel. You guys got give Lloyd some slack. He had a tough schedule, check Sagarin. Next year will be more like a normal schedule:
Barry's an AD now,
Maroney's gone,
Win or lose the Sparties forget how to play after the ND game,
JoePA will be sundowning,
IA, NW, and IU are walks,

as for OSU, just watch the Fiesta Bowl film. Simply contain 4 more plays than ND did and you'll hold them to a field goal (3 plays actually as Holmes is joining Maroney in the NFL).
 
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