Native American Nicknames

[Satans Little Helper]

Christ no. All Materials that are purchsed to make a Prodcut are TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Headcount, materials, shipping...all TAX DEDUCTIBLE.But taxes are paid on it and passed down the line right?

 

[Satans Little Helper]

Christ no. All Materials that are purchsed to make a Prodcut are TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Headcount, materials, shipping...all TAX DEDUCTIBLE.



Not in the USA, no. In Canada, yes.



You would be SHOCKED at what is exempted... MOST THINGS.

In only know this because I spent the last 10 years working for a manufacturing company with over $10Billion in spending every year...including more than a couple Billion in Materials and Equipment spending.




Again, you would be shocked...

enlighten me please. i daresay ineed it. with me abeing an atheistic pinko commie and all.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Christ no. All Materials that are purchsed to make a Prodcut are TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Headcount, materials, shipping...all TAX DEDUCTIBLE.But taxes are paid on it and passed down the line right?

No. No taxes. At least nothing appreciable. Just like Ford, taxes are a tiny portion of a small portion. It's negligable.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

enlighten me please. i daresay ineed it. with me abeing an atheistic pinko commie and all.

Most large companies have specifically carved out tax free imports for raw Raw or In-Process Materials. Typically, FINISHED GOODS or CONSUMER GOODS are taxed or tarriffs levied.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

wow thats all. i pay 34% and my wife and i make less than yall.

You can't be right. If you are making less, your tax rate is 25% and FICA etc will be another 9%. Then once you include personal deductions, etc...it goes FAR lower.

To pay 34% you will need to make upwards of $200,000.

I was laid off this year and got a BIG payout, thus making me look far richer than I really am (well above last year's income). I paid nowhere near 34%.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

enlighten me please. i daresay ineed it. with me abeing an atheistic pinko commie and all.

Let's not forget, this is not about right or left, I am only giving you numbers.

My belief that no tax is "fair" is simply one of general principles. Taxation affects all, but "FAIR" is completely in the eye of the beholder.

Progressive, Regressive, Flat, Sales, VAT, etc...all affect one group more than the other. And that group will cry foul.

The optimal tax system is one that meets the needs and wishes of those being taxed with minimal impact on people's lives. There are SO MANY variables in taxation that it truly is impossible to make a perfect system that will not have a negative impact on SOMETHING.

Whether that is: jobs, economy, travel, spending, education, healthcare, etc... Something will be impacted negatively.

So the question becomes how is this impact minimized? How does the system fit with the values of those being taxed? How does the outcome of the spending affect those being taxed?

For instance, roads are generally considered a good thing to have and have been funded by governments for THOUSANDS of years. But the money comes from SOMEWHERE. So, how do you minimize the negative impact of taxation while providing the maximum benefit of the spending.

The best system fits community values while trying to limit the issues that can arise with taxing certain revenue streams.

And IN MY OPINION, putting all your eggs in one basket is a recipe for disaster and inequity.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Although i am not quite old enough i will be running under the green unity reform party. My platform will include:

1. Honoring the treaties signed by the US from 1701-1868 between the US and the Native American Nations.
2. Legalizing all drugs, ending the war on drugs and taking that money and putting it into education. Taxing the drugs of course
3. The Fair Tax . I love that for real.
4. Passing senate resolution of preventing any bush or clinton from ever holding a political office anywhere ever again. This of course grandfathers in all of their children and their future heirs.
5. Forcing all polluting corporations in the free world to cut emmisions by 110% in the next two years. This may have to be handled by my VP Lefty Buglieri
6. And of course reparations for the slaves.
7. And Finally forming an exploratory comittee to have France stricken from the record.....at all times from here on out.

:allhail: Im the wiz

I'm definitely with you on France, those c...suckers can kiss my ass. On the drug issue, I'd probably be with you on that if I was still in college and didn't have kids.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Get your facts right. I see stumbling drunks and people who dont want to work either daily. I think a few of them are actually in congress. Your attitude about the issue is poor.

Are we both talking about Ted (hiccup) Kennedy ??

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Get your facts right. I see stumbling drunks and people who dont want to work either daily. I think a few of them are actually in congress. Your attitude about the issue is poor.

Are we both talking about Ted (hiccup) Kennedy ??

??? Which message was this a response to?

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

every one was broken. Most if not all of them were worded that the indians would give up this much land for this amount of stuff. To the indians that was it. Then the government would come back and ask for more. The indians would refuse and war would erupt. This was similar for most of the large land dwelling tribes. Any somewhat non-biased history of the subject would tell you su ch. The bigeset one is the treaty 1868 between the US and the SOuix and it still has not been solved. THere are still legal battles about it and the Souix are still not recognized by the US. So they wont deal with the lawsuits to this day.

I ask you though. Dirty politics? They should not even have to do such. They should be able to live their culture but after the "american culturization" project where all indians put in a reservations were forced to change their names to CHristian ones and learn to live "civily" . Why are their traditions fading away. YOu bring up good but misunderstood points. Why do most people succumb to drugs and alcohol? Becuase there seems to be no way out. There are numerous tribes that have been allowed casinos and other such money making abilities and they are now able to provide for themsleves. i wouldguess to think that there are no such places on the Arizona reservations.

AS far as the US government steppigng in and once afgain forcing them to fix things. I hope that dont. The nations should do it themselves bu tbe allowed the opportunity that others have such as gambling or at least bingo houses. The US government just chooses who can and cant.

Get your facts right. I see stumbling drunks and people who dont want to work either daily. I think a few of them are actually in congress. Your attitude about the issue is poor.

Answer me this though. Who took their land, destroyed their cultutre, then did not allow them to practice their culture, forced them into christian schools with christian names to adopt christian values at the point of a gun. What would you have done?

If you dont think this this the way it iwas, then you missing some major facts and evidence to the contrary. Also Obviuously you have seen the reservation lands. They were pretty much decided by the US goverment to be the lest useful and worthless lands in the country. Just ask the Oglagla on Pine Ridge and Rosebud. Until Uranium was discoverd there then the US came in and took that land as well while still not recognizing them as a soverign nation.

??? Which message was this a response to?

sorry the top part was originally from goldendomer, I was just making fun of ted kennedy.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

sorry the top part was originally from goldendomer, I was just making fun of ted kennedy.

LOL...such an easy target...

Kennedy & Bush are the two best drunk targets ever. haha!

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

LOL...such an easy target...

Kennedy & Bush are the two best drunk targets ever. haha!

Big difference between the two! Ted got himself a bad rep for the whole car in the water thing.... I can't throw stones at anyone else tho, I was a pretty good partier myself.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Big difference between the two! Ted got himself a bad rep for the whole car in the water thing.... I can't throw stones at anyone else tho, I was a pretty good partier myself.

Ted had the car, Bush had the coke, the booze, and the financial dealings.

It all adds up.

I don't think Bush was involved in any deaths, but rumors are that he paid for an abortion.

Both are men I would not want near my children...no doubt about that.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

You're comparing our president to someone who watched someone die, left the scene of the accident, and covered it up..........??????????? Ok.

I think I would trust bush around my daughters a whole lot more than the prior one... interns, cattle futures, shady land deals, pardons, and don't forget his best move.. pussying out in somalia (now that's cutting and running!).

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Of course I'm being nonpartisan when I said all that, as you were before me

 

[GoshenGipper]

You're comparing our president to someone who watched someone die, left the scene of the accident, and covered it up..........??????????? Ok.

I think I would trust bush around my daughters a whole lot more than the prior one... interns, cattle futures, shady land deals, pardons, and don't forget his best move.. pussying out in somalia (now that's cutting and running!).

Don't forget about the continued of funding Brazil's aids prvention full well knowing that the money we were supplying was being used to purchase condoms for Brazilian prostitutes, even though that violated the rules of the funding. Then President Bush cut it off when he took office and it subsequently angered many Brazilians because their media spun it as Bush must not care about us because he cut off our aids prevention fund.

Which leads me to another point. I don't know why some other countries feel that the President of the USA owes them something. We don't have to, nor do we need to help other countries unless it's in our best interest, or the greater good of humanity. Ala genocide, the starving East African children, or something else of that nature. It's your fault, and the fault of your leaders if your country is run like crap.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

You're comparing our president to someone who watched someone die, left the scene of the accident, and covered it up..........??????????? Ok.

I am not into former coke heads who are alcoholics won't admit they are alcoholics...and don't even have the brains to warn their children that there is alcoholism in the family. That's irresponsible parenting to say the least. (since it has been proven to travel in family lines)

I think I would trust bush around my daughters a whole lot more than the prior one... interns, cattle futures, shady land deals, pardons, and don't forget his best move..

Admittedly Bush would not make moves on my daughter...but he is shaky in other areas.

pussying out in somalia (now that's cutting and running!).

You mean like when Bush apologized to China for them crashing into our plane?

That's pussying out. He backed down like a little bitch. It was an embarrassment.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Don't forget about the continued of funding Brazil's aids prvention full well knowing that the money we were supplying was being used to purchase condoms for Brazilian prostitutes, even though that violated the rules of the funding.

If it prevents AIDS, it prevents AIDS. That's one less life lost.

...or the greater good of humanity. Ala genocide, the starving East African children, or something else of that nature.

I am trying to think of when we have actually done this?

Bosnia & Kosova would be the only examples I can think of. We do get some food aid to Africa, but we are far outdone by Canada. Which is interesting given the fact they are less than 1/10th our size.

We let the other genocides continue though...but it's ok because it's only Africa. [sarcasm for those who are sarcasm impaired]

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

pussying out in somalia (now that's cutting and running!).

By the way, this is ANOTHER great example of where politics overrides the military's needs. I hated it in Beirut, I hated it in Somalia, I hated it in Afghanistan, and I hate it in Iraq. It gets men killed. It does not help the situation. It's just plain dumb.

There are some better examples of where we can do things right (just to remind people of the times we have been successful since Nam):
Panama
Bosnia
Kosovo

These actions showed what we can do when we are resolved and take the approriate measures.

 

[GoshenGipper]

Don't forget about Grenada. Ahh Grenada, the good 'ole one day invasion.

BTW you know what else prevents AIDS? Keep it in your freaking pants if you don't have money to buy your own condoms. I don't want any of my tax money going to the purchase of Brazilian condoms. Besides, most of the prostitues down there are trannies anyway.

 

[dudexcore]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh trannies!!!!!!!

 

[GoshenGipper]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh trannies!!!!!!!

The guy from Elkhart would be the one that likes trannies

Where did you go to high school BTW?

 

[dudexcore]

well i hate goshen, so take a guess....

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Don't forget about the continued of funding Brazil's aids prvention full well knowing that the money we were supplying was being used to purchase condoms for Brazilian prostitutes, even though that violated the rules of the funding. Then President Bush cut it off when he took office and it subsequently angered many Brazilians because their media spun it as Bush must not care about us because he cut off our aids prevention fund.

Which leads me to another point. I don't know why some other countries feel that the President of the USA owes them something. We don't have to, nor do we need to help other countries unless it's in our best interest, or the greater good of humanity. Ala genocide, the starving East African children, or something else of that nature. It's your fault, and the fault of your leaders if your country is run like crap.

It's nice to know MY tax dollars are paying for condom use in other countries. One can see why I'm VERY big on not raising taxes. Just more money going to waste on things I don't care about, nor should I subsidize!!!

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Don't forget about the continued of funding Brazil's aids prvention full well knowing that the money we were supplying was being used to purchase condoms for Brazilian prostitutes, even though that violated the rules of the funding. Then President Bush cut it off when he took office and it subsequently angered many Brazilians because their media spun it as Bush must not care about us because he cut off our aids prevention fund.

Which leads me to another point. I don't know why some other countries feel that the President of the USA owes them something. We don't have to, nor do we need to help other countries unless it's in our best interest, or the greater good of humanity. Ala genocide, the starving East African children, or something else of that nature. It's your fault, and the fault of your leaders if your country is run like crap.

If it prevents AIDS, it prevents AIDS. That's one less life lost.



I am trying to think of when we have actually done this?

Bosnia & Kosova would be the only examples I can think of. We do get some food aid to Africa, but we are far outdone by Canada. Which is interesting given the fact they are less than 1/10th our size.

We let the other genocides continue though...but it's ok because it's only Africa. [sarcasm for those who are sarcasm impaired]

Yet there are many who criticize bush for iraq when we help stop the mass killings of the iraqi people?????? Can't have it both ways!!
The U.S., like any other country, has to pick and choose where we get involved. It isn't fair to say that we don't help other countries though, the american people, give a lot of their own money to charities to help for disasters (see tsunami). That's the way it should be! I don't think it's the responsiblility of my government to spend our treasure when national security is not at play.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Yet there are many who criticize bush for iraq when we help stop the mass killings of the iraqi people?????? Can't have it both ways!!

People are not criticizing him for that...because that's not what he went to do. AND it has still not happened. 10's of thousands of Iraqis have died since we walked in... If we had at least stopped the mass killings they might be happier. However, now the killings are done by hundreds of evil men, instead of just one.

The U.S., like any other country, has to pick and choose where we get involved. It isn't fair to say that we don't help other countries though, the american people, give a lot of their own money to charities to help for disasters (see tsunami). That's the way it should be! I don't think it's the responsiblility of my government to spend our treasure when national security is not at play.

Spending money on Tsunami victims is National Security. That's what we forget. That wall of water displaced many 10's of thousands of people who were no fans of the US. Now we are giving them the first hand opportunity to see that we stand for something good and decent.

You can't put a price on goodwill.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Yet there are many who criticize bush for iraq when we help stop the mass killings of the iraqi people?????? Can't have it both ways!!

My beef with Iraq is that we did not send enough troops because the politicians overrode the Generals' requests.

However, as for stopping the mass killings...the key word about Iraq is: hypocrisy.

You see, it was fine that Saddam killing thousands upon thousands of his own people with OUR MONEY AND WEAPONS. But it was only fine while he was an "ally". Although, we never really cared about them anyway. Right after the Iraq war when the Kurds were told by the Americans to rise up...thousands were killed expecting our support...which never came.

Why? Apparently the NO FLY ZONE restrictions did not include helicopters. Classic.

[Reagan, Bush-the-Elder, and Clinton all bear responsibility here]

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

People are not criticizing him for that...because that's not what he went to do. AND it has still not happened. 10's of thousands of Iraqis have died since we walked in... If we had at least stopped the mass killings they might be happier. However, now the killings are done by hundreds of evil men, instead of just one.

Having state-ordered killings stopped are not a good thing??? They were using biological/chemical weapons on their own people. Oh yea, we went in because of all the U.N. resolutions, and the iraqi's were violating the cease-fire, and they were SHOOTING at our planes. Any other reasons were unnecessary and strictly a sell-job.
We are doing our best to give the iraqis a chance. I guess for political reasons, they aren't worth it to the tree hugging, sharing is caring, peace and love crowd.

Spending money on Tsunami victims is National Security. That's what we forget. That wall of water displaced many 10's of thousands of people who were no fans of the US. Now we are giving them the first hand opportunity to see that we stand for something good and decent.

You can't put a price on goodwill.

I agree goodwill is badly needed, and we should have offered support. I'm just saying that Americans give a lot privately, more than ANY other country, and that is often overlooked. We are a generous nation, who geniunely care when bad things happen to other people, of any nationality. It just seems that it becomes politcal fodder no matter what we do, or how much we give. It is NEVER enough.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

My beef with Iraq is that we did not send enough troops because the politicians overrode the Generals' requests.

However, as for stopping the mass killings...the key word about Iraq is: hypocrisy.

You see, it was fine that Saddam killing thousands upon thousands of his own people with OUR MONEY AND WEAPONS. But it was only fine while he was an "ally". Although, we never really cared about them anyway. Right after the Iraq war when the Kurds were told by the Americans to rise up...thousands were killed expecting our support...which never came.

Why? Apparently the NO FLY ZONE restrictions did not include helicopters. Classic.

[Reagan, Bush-the-Elder, and Clinton all bear responsibility here]

I agree, we dropped the ball big time!! Perhaps that is why bush today wants to see it through until we can exit at a good time. I don't know when that will be, hopefully soon.

 

[GoshenGipper]

well i hate goshen, so take a guess....

1. Concord
2. Elk. Memorial
3. Elk. Central