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Notre Dame back in recruiting game

Weis has made Fighting Irish a threat in Ohio

By Doug Harris
Dayton Daily News
COLUMBUS | When Bob Crable was a two-time All-American linebacker at Notre Dame in the early 1980s, he could look around the locker room and find dozens of players from his native Ohio.
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But while the Irish's influence in the state has waned over the years, Crable believes charismatic new coach Charlie Weis has given the program the mojo it needs to gain a foothold again.
"They have a football team that's winning games, and you can see there's something there," said Crable, who led Cincinnati Moeller to three mythical state titles in the 1970s and has been head coach at the school for the past five years. "The belief is there. The confidence is there. And people are attracted to that."
Four Super Bowl rings have given Weis instant credibility, too.
"One nice thing Charlie has done — and it's probably because he's a Notre Dame guy — is that you don't hear him complain about the high academic standards," Crable said. "He just says, 'Give me what (players) I can get, and I'll do what I need to do.' "
The former New England Patriots and New York Giants assistant has already picked up 24 commitments among high school seniors, and his 2006 recruiting class is currently rated fourth nationally by both Scout.com and Rivals.com.
Three of the players are Ohioans: Cleveland St. Ignatius receiver Robby Parris and defensive end John Ryan and Cincinnati Withrow defensive end Kallen Wade.
And while Ohio State, which has 11 commitments so far, didn't offer the trio scholarships, coach Jim Tressel and his staff are getting fierce competition from the Irish for Ohio's top juniors.
Duane Long of Scout.com said Weis' impact in the state has been "enormous and immediate," surpassing the efforts of any ND coach since Gerry Faust, who made the jump from Moeller in 1981.
"The real shocking part is that even though Lou Holtz had Ohio roots and the school is right next door in Indiana, we never saw Notre Dame coming into Ohio that much — and it's one of the five most recruited states in the country," Long said. "But (Weis) has jumped on it like an 800-pound gorilla."
The Irish haven't won a bowl game in 12 years, and they've gone through three coaching changes since their last national title in 1988. But their name still carries plenty of clout — especially in Catholic households.
Ohio State receiver Anthony Gonzalez, who played at St. Ignatius, said word spreads quickly through the school when ND coaches visit. He believes his alma mater could supply the Irish with a steady stream of talent.
"I know Ignatius has two very good players going there this year, and it wouldn't surprise me if that was a trend that started to develop," Gonzalez said.
"For a lot of kids at Ignatius, their parents have always been big Notre Dame fans. They say Notre Dame has been down during my generation ... but the parents of these kids might put pressure on them."
The Buckeyes haven't lost a significant in-state recruit to ND in Tressel's five years. But OSU's stronghold is under siege.
Cincinnati LaSalle defensive end Ben Martin, Massillon linebacker Andrew Dailey and Copley defensive back David Arnold — who are among the top-rated juniors nationally — have all said they're seriously considering the Irish.
Bill Kurelic, Midwest recruiting analyst for Rivals.com, believes Buckeye fans have reason to be alarmed.
"Even if Notre Dame makes itself a bigger presence, it's not like they're going to come in and get the top eight kids in Ohio. That's just not going to happen," he said. "But if Notre Dame comes in and gets three of the top-10 kids, then they're really hurting Ohio State — and Michigan, for that matter."
But most of the state's high school coaches don't expect that to happen with any regularity. The Buckeyes have built up ample good will because of their winning ways and Tressel's personable style.
"They really know how to treat Ohio high school coaches," Massillon coach Tom Stacy said. "He'll come up to me and say, 'Tom, how are you doing?' And it may have been two or three years since he saw me last. That's impressive. (Building relationships) is something he spends a lot of time on, and his staff is the same way."
Stacy believes the Irish ultimately could pose a threat, but they have much ground to make up.
"They're going to have a difficult time — and not because of any fault of their own," he said. "I have great respect for Charlie Weis and Notre Dame and their tradition. But Ohio State has such a strong influence on high school football in the state, and it's going to be hard to break through that barrier
 

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Tressel, Weis just starting their battle
By JIM NAVEAU
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Several years ago when Lou Holtz came to Lima for a speaking engagement, he was pretty much exactly what I expected except for a few seconds in the middle of a long interview.
Somehow Charles Woodson’s name came up and Holtz asked where the University of Michigan standout was from.
“Fremont,” I answered.
Holtz replied, “Is that close to here?”
It surprised me that Holtz, who had just left Notre Dame after 11 years as its head coach, didn’t have a better grasp of the geography of a region in his own backyard that has produced so many college and NFL football players over the years.
Maybe Lou is just bad at geography. Part of his self-deprecating routine has always been to say that he graduated something like 270th in his high school class in East Liverpool.
But maybe it also revealed a reason Notre Dame had a number of down years before Holtz and more after him.
Notre Dame seemed to forget how to recruit in Ohio. It was so busy recruiting nationwide that it ceded the state to Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and others.
It’s a mistake Charlie Weis is not likely to repeat. The first-year Notre Dame coach already has two players from Cleveland St. Ignatius interested this season, reversing a trend that saw most of that school’s stars look at Ohio State or Michigan first.
Now that Notre Dame can sell all of its obvious attractions, plus the chance to win a national championship, for the first time since the early 1990s, expect to see the Irish make a bigger push in Ohio.
A Notre Dame win over Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl, or even a hotly contested game, can only help Weis’ recruiting in Ohio.
Quarterback Brady Quinn and his buddy Chinedum Ndukwe, a defensive back, are the only two Notre Dame starters from Ohio. There are just three other scholarship players from Ohio on ND’s roster.
By comparison, Michigan has 11 players from Ohio high schools on its roster. Iowa, which is twice as far from western Ohio as Notre Dame, has the same number of Ohioans on its roster as the Fighting Irish do.
The Fiesta Bowl will be only the fifth time Ohio State and Notre Dame have played each other in football. There are no plans for them to get together in the regular season any time soon.
But there will probably be many more battles between Coach Sweater Vest and Coach Flat Top.
Expect to see Jim Tressel and Weis competing in the recruiting arena for years to come.
 

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"But if Notre Dame comes in and gets three of the top-10 kids, then they're really hurting Ohio State — and Michigan, for that matter."

A thing of pure beauty....Christmas just keeps on coming this year.....
 

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BGIF said:
"They have a football team that's winning games, and you can see there's something there," said Crable, who led Cincinnati Moeller to three mythical state titles in the 1970s and has been head coach at the school for the past five years.

First of all, there's nothing "mythical" about Moeller's state titles. They've been won on the field, in the playoffs, unlike the titles at Massilon, the school mentioned at the end of this article.

Now onto the topic. It's interesting that the Massilon coach doesn't show much optimism for ND's chances recruiting against Ohio St. within its borders, while the rest of the sources in the article give Charlie a fighting chance. There's reason for this. There really are two worlds in Ohio high school football.

I've been saying on here for months that Charlie needs to attack fortress Tressell and the best way to do that is through the Catholic schools. He does well there, but there are chinks in the armor. ND has a stellar reputation among the big Catholic schools in Cleveland and Cincinnati. Those programs are among the top in the country and they put out players.

Between St. Ignatious and St. Edwards in Cleveland and St. Xavier, Elder and Moeller in Cincinnati, there should be a handful of ND worthy guys each year. Ohio State fans may tell you Tressell owns these schools, but they are wrong. He does, when ND doesn't hit them, but things have changed. For example, Alex Boone out of St. Ed's last year was very much a possibility for ND, but he was slow played by Willingham. He verballed to Ohio St. as a junior. That's why it's important that Charlie hit these guys early like he does. Also Rob Schoenhoft, the QB from St. X. He's was ours to lose. Ty slow played him as well in favor of Mark Sanchez and Schoenhoft went to the local team that showed him the love. Those were two major Catholic recruits that should be wearing gold helmets.

Now, Tressel does have a stronger hold on the the big public school programs-especially Glenville, McKinley, the Westervilles and Massillon. However, there are chinks there as well. Michigan has had great success getting kids out of powerhouses Colerain and Warren Harding.

It all starts with relationships with the high school coaches. Recall the stories from before the season of Charlie making the rounds of the Cleveland and Cincinnati schools, even those that he wasn't currently recruiting from. He has seen the importance of getting in good with these coaches.

Let's be honest. Ohio St. is OHIO St. Say they offer the top 20 kids in Ohio, they can regularly expect to get well over half, especially from the public schools. But that doesn't mean the big fish aren't there for the taking. Charlie can steal recruits that can help ND and hurt Ohio St. I'm not talking about guys about whom Buckeye fans can say "oh, we didn't want him." I'm talking about the big ones. Ben Martin is the first of those recruits. Buckeye fans are already scared of losing him. I read quotes from them ranging from the need to keep him out of Notre Dame to concessions to him ultimately ending up at ND and how that hurts.

Ty tried building a team in Indiana with mostly west coast kids. Those kids can help, but they will never be the foundation at ND. It starts in the midwest, and Ohio is the best of the midwest. Fortress Tressel must be breached. A win over the Buckeyes on a national stage would go a long way toward doing that.
 

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Some interesting recruiting comments in the Chicago Suntimes article on Brady Quinn posted in the football section.

Number of ND All-Americans from Ohio: 14, including Harry Stuhldreher (Massillon), Alan Page (Canton) and Bob Golic (Willowick).
Most recent: Frank Stams (Akron), 1988.


Said Hawk, now an All-America linebacker: ''I remember the game, and I remember that their quarterback was good. Later, in high school, we all kind of knew who Brady Quinn was, and we figured if he was good enough, like the rest of us, he'd wind up at Ohio State.''


Instead, a chance meeting at the start of middle-school football set Quinn on the road to Notre Dame. A new family named Ndukwe had moved to Dublin, and its 12-year-old son, Chinedum -- ''Nedu'' to his friends -- arrived for his first day of practice.
''I was the only African American out there, and not a lot of people were talking to me,'' recalled Ndukwe, now a Notre Dame safety. ''Brady was there, and he had just gotten back from Florida with his family, so he was very tan. I thought he was a Native American, so I also thought, 'Hey, that's good. I'm not the only minority around here.' Then he came over and introduced himself and started talking to me, and we've been friends ever since.''
The two later would star at Coffman High School in Dublin -- Quinn as quarterback, Ndukwe as his fleet wide receiver. But of greater importance, Ndukwe's father, Stephen, would include Quinn when he took Nedu to visit an elder son who was an undergraduate at Notre Dame.
''The influence of Stephen Ndukwe in how Brady got to Notre Dame cannot be overstated enough,'' Ty Quinn said. ''As a young boy, Brady always had Notre Dame pennants and stuff in his room. Then in high school, the school didn't show tremendous interest in him, but coach Willingham was interested in Nedu.
"And then I'll never forget, after Nedu went to South Bend and committed, Stephen came home and got me out of bed at 1 a.m. to talk to me. We drank beer for an hour or so, and he told me that he had told Willingham he should be taking a long look at Brady. And then he was telling me that we should make arrangements to go to South Bend as soon as possible to try and seal the deal. And that's basically how Brady got to Notre Dame.''

Said Mark Crabtree, Quinn's final varsity coach at Coffman: ''The Ndukwes are the hidden heroes of the story at Notre Dame for a couple of reasons. First, it was Stephen who seemed to see the final path of the scholarship there for Brady. Without Stephen, I think Brady would have wound up at Michigan. Second, Nedu has been playing defense, where he never played a snap in his high school career. And now, while Brady gets so many accolades, rightly, for what he has done, Nedu gets overlooked as one of the mainstays of an improving Notre Dame defense.''



 

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Notre Dame has a class that appears to be bringing them back up to speed on a national level. California, Florida, Illinois, Georgia, Ohio....

25 verbals and all of them seem pretty spread out on the large scale. Breaking into Texas will be tough, but Haywood can still win a few battles down there.
 

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Dome's glare not as blinding
But Weis' success could give Irish recruiting edge
By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal sportswriter

Lawrence Wilson saw the Golden Dome. He knew Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis had two Super Bowl rings and probably a third on the way.
Yet Wilson, a first-team All-Ohio defensive end from St. Vincent-St. Mary, was not blinded by the glitter.
Many college coaches in the the Midwest fear that Weis' success in the first year at his alma mater will mean that top student-athletes at Catholic high schools will start flocking to South Bend, Ind. The Irish, who had just four winning seasons in the previous eight under coaches Bob Davie and Tyrone Willingham, flourished under former New England Patriots offensive coordinator Weis, going 9-2 and earning a spot in the Jan. 2 Fiesta Bowl against Ohio State.
Perhaps Wilson can allay their fears. Wilson orally committed to Notre Dame before Willingham was fired last Nov. 30. But given an out by Willingham's dismissal after three seasons, Wilson wavered.
After Weis was hired on Dec. 12, Wilson said Weis visited ``two or three times.'' But it wasn't enough. Weis learned that Wilson had chosen Ohio State on ESPN News.
``I knew he was a good coach. I liked him,'' Wilson said of Weis. ``He was very up front. What it came down to was I thought the Ohio State situation was better for me as a person. I felt I fit better into their system than I did at Notre Dame.
``I liked Ty Willingham, I liked the whole setup at Notre Dame. But I was just caught up in the whole situation. I thought I liked it more than I did. I think Coach Willingham got fired for a reason. God wanted me to go to Ohio State instead.''
Wilson's father, Eugene, admits he was more awestruck on the Notre Dame visit than his son.
``When I was up at Notre Dame, I was like, `Wow,' '' Eugene Wilson said. ``I was impressed, my son wasn't. This generation doesn't care. My son was reacting more to my emotions about Notre Dame.''
Lawrence Wilson isn't so sure that 15 NFL seasons on Weis' resume will have players knocking down the coach's door.
``Kids can go to Notre Dame because of the tradition,'' Wilson said. ``I don't think the coach has that much influence. You go to the school because of the school. A coach can get fired any day.''
Wilson isn't the only Buckeye who was courted by the Irish. Senior center Nick Mangold, who attended Kettering Alter High School, said Notre Dame was his second choice. Safeties Donte Whitner and Nate Salley also were recruits.
St. V-M athletic director Grant Innocenzi doesn't think the renewed glare of the Golden Dome will change the thinking of his school's top athletes.
``It didn't work with Lawrence and he was one of the best football players we've had in the last five or 10 years,'' Innocenzi said. ``The academic rigors (at Notre Dame) are probably more difficult, that excludes some kids right there. They might be more inclined to get them now than a couple years ago. But here I still think kids will look at Ohio State first.''
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel knows Weis will be a formidable recruiting foe.
``Some kids want to go to a great school,'' Tressel said. ``Another wants to major in such-and-such and that school has the best program. Another one it might be they're graduating three players at that position. Another one might want to play for a coach who's been in the NFL a long time. There's a lot of different reasons. It's one more feather in an already pretty good-looking hat when you have a guy like Charlie.''
Grant Conzaman, athletic director at Walsh Jesuit, said even when Notre Dame was struggling it still had a recruiting presence. Fullback Tom Lopienski was the last Walsh player to attend Notre Dame.
``Whether Notre Dame is up or down it's still going to be attractive to students because of the academics and tradition,'' Conzaman said. ``Now as they start winning, Charlie Weis' credibility in the pros, his approach, his attitude, the way he speaks, he's going to be even more of a factor.''
John Cistone said when he coached football at St. V-M from the 1960s-90s, the big four were Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Notre Dame. That changed, Cistone said, when Lou Holtz left the Irish after the '96 season.
Cistone, who admits he will root for the Irish against OSU, sees the recruiting boost Weis will bring. Cistone cites the progress made by junior quarterback Brady Quinn, a Columbus native who finished fourth in the Heisman voting.
``What he brought with him, then winning right away just added to his hype,'' Cistone said. ``Especially what he did with the quarterback, improving his play so much. Kids from Catholic schools will definitely want to go there. I don't think Ohio State ever had an edge. We sent quite a few people to Notre Dame. If Notre Dame wanted them, they got them.
``Their biggest problem with recruiting now could be who not to take.''
 

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BGIF said:
Wilbon, Tirico, et al are you listening?






Does that mean God is a racist?

No, but if God fired Willingham to get Lawrence Wilson to Ohio St., then we owe the young Mr. Wilson a great deal of thanks.
 

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BGIF said:
Wilbon, Tirico, et al are you listening?



Don't forget Saunders, DimWhitlock, Mariotti, U BICH grads Bob Ryan and Lupica, and of course Alan Grant.
 
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