Mike Mickens ND CB’s Coach

[Luckylucci]

There it is.

I think most deserving and best timing might not be a match for next season but the former is an unarguable position.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Give the man the Co-DC title and a hefty raise!

I would be OK with him as a CO-DC, but not full time/him only.

 

[Lberry]

There it is.

I think most deserving and best timing might not be a match for next season but the former is an unarguable position.

Genuinely interested in your thought on this, but not sure what you're trying to say here.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Genuinely interested in your thought on this, but not sure what you're trying to say here.

He was commenting on the Freeman tweet saying Mickens is ready to be a DC

 

[Lberry]

He was commenting on the Freeman tweet saying Mickens is ready to be a DC

I figured, but I am not sure what he is trying to say. He edited it so I follow now.

 

[yankeehater]

Give the man the Co-DC title and a hefty raise!

Sadly, I do not see both he and Golden on the ND sideline next season. That is the price you pay for the defense excelling.

 

[INLaw]

When I read 31's post, I thought wtf? Talk about coming out of left field! lol

I thought he was trying to turn Lucky Luciano into Jimmy Darmody

 

[thekid33]

Sadly, I do not see both he and Golden on the ND sideline next season. That is the price you pay for the defense excelling.

Yeah, we have to be prepared to lose one or both.

 

[greyhammer90]

Hopefully we can throw a Associate Head Coach role or something similar with a pay raise to keep him. If not, I think Mickens is amazing but I'm not tossing Golden out. I'm also not thrilled with the idea of hiring a 1st time DC. We should be able to be extremely choosy because DC at ND has been arguably one of the best career spots in the country.

The CB room (thanks to Mickens) should attract some pretty good names for that role if he decides to go elsewhere to be a DC. If he does leave to be a DC at smaller school, I have to think Freeman can circle back and make a compelling offer if Mickens shows out.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

So Marcus Freeman handed over trust to Gerad Parker and Parker gets mocked relentlessly. Freeman endorses Mickens to take the next step and he's the guy Freeman should promote should Golden leave the program in a few months.

I am starting to wonder if people here have more of a problem with how the hiring process went down for OC when Rees left than with Parker himself, because quite honestly, it doesn't make a whole lot of f*cking sense that you trust Freeman to hire one of his boys up and not the other. Potentially a third year HC Freeman going into 2024 with a second year OC and first year DC, both of whom are former co coaches are previous stops on Freeman's resume.

To be clear, I don't have an issue with Freeman promoting Mickens should that come to pass, but am I missing something overall big picture here?

 

[Giddyup]

Some sort of OC fetish. Similar to a foot fetish

 

[greyhammer90]

So Marcus Freeman handed over trust to Gerad Parker and Parker gets mocked relentlessly. Freeman endorses Mickens to take the next step and he's the guy Freeman should promote should Golden leave the program in a few months.

I am starting to wonder if people here have more of a problem with how the hiring process went down for OC when Rees left than with Parker himself, because quite honestly, it doesn't make a whole lot of f*cking sense that you trust Freeman to hire one of his boys up and not the other. Potentially a third year HC Freeman going into 2024 with a second year OC and first year DC, both of whom are former co coaches are previous stops on Freeman's resume.

To be clear, I don't have an issue with Freeman promoting Mickens should that come to pass, but am I missing something overall big picture here?

I'm not a fan of it, read my above message, but there's a pretty stark difference IMO.

Mickens is a desired product on the coaching scene that we feel we might need to promote in order to keep. Parker was never seen as that guy. He came in last year with Mayer as an auto-win at the position, made very little impression, and there's little evidence he'd be an OC anywhere else in the country right now if ND hadn't hired him.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

So Marcus Freeman handed over trust to Gerad Parker and Parker gets mocked relentlessly. Freeman endorses Mickens to take the next step and he's the guy Freeman should promote should Golden leave the program in a few months.

I am starting to wonder if people here have more of a problem with how the hiring process went down for OC when Rees left than with Parker himself, because quite honestly, it doesn't make a whole lot of f*cking sense that you trust Freeman to hire one of his boys up and not the other. Potentially a third year HC Freeman going into 2024 with a second year OC and first year DC, both of whom are former co coaches are previous stops on Freeman's resume.

To be clear, I don't have an issue with Freeman promoting Mickens should that come to pass, but am I missing something overall big picture here?

Not even Freeman thought Parker was the man for the OC job.

 

[Giddyup]

Yeah after an extensive search. Obviously he was at the top of MF’s list and he was comfortable with Parker.

 

[Lberry]

So Marcus Freeman handed over trust to Gerad Parker and Parker gets mocked relentlessly. Freeman endorses Mickens to take the next step and he's the guy Freeman should promote should Golden leave the program in a few months.

I am starting to wonder if people here have more of a problem with how the hiring process went down for OC when Rees left than with Parker himself, because quite honestly, it doesn't make a whole lot of f*cking sense that you trust Freeman to hire one of his boys up and not the other. Potentially a third year HC Freeman going into 2024 with a second year OC and first year DC, both of whom are former co coaches are previous stops on Freeman's resume.

To be clear, I don't have an issue with Freeman promoting Mickens should that come to pass, but am I missing something overall big picture here?

Mickens has been in and would run MF's defense. So not only knows the system but has MF to help where needed. MF has no tangible offensive experience or genius. V different situations.

 

[Giddyup]

I swear to god if MF fails and in three years all I hear about is Andy Ludwig I am gonna break some serious shit.

 

[LSWho?]

I swear to god if MF fails and in three years all I hear about is Andy Ludwig I am gonna break some serious shit.

oh no

 

[Terry Jillery]

Does making Mickens DC then mean you also promote Deland to OC? I think we’ve learned from the Al Golden hire that experienced coordinators are the successful blueprint to compliment inexperienced HC’s.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Mickens has been in and would run MF's defense. So not only knows the system but has MF to help where needed. MF has no tangible offensive experience or genius. V different situations.

We need him to run Al Golden's D not Freemans D if he's the next DC. Golden has cleaned up most of the bad we saw from the 2021 D.

If golden leaves I don't think you can have both parker and mickens as your coordinators. That's what happened to clemson last year and they're still trying to clean up some of that mess.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm not a fan of it, read my above message, but there's a pretty stark difference IMO.

Mickens is a desired product on the coaching scene that we feel we might need to promote in order to keep. Parker was never seen as that guy. He came in last year with Meyer as an auto-win at the position, made very little impression, and there's little evidence he'd be an OC anywhere else in the country right now if ND hadn't hired him.

That remains to be seen yet. Carousel season will be here soon enough, though, and we could find out in short order. Freeman's endorsement certainly stands out, but I don't know that I'd read too much into it for now.

I care more about Parker, Golden, Mickens, etc. having the respect of the players and the other coaches on staff than whatever we post out here or what people like Sampson, Prister, etc. perceive.

Mickens has some cred when it comes to his coaching resume and the dude had cups of coffee as a player in the NFL and Canada. I just hope the people here endorsing a move to DC for Mickens should Golden make a move save the receipts if things are not football utopia in a year.

 

[Giddyup]

So Marcus Freeman handed over trust to Gerad Parker and Parker gets mocked relentlessly. Freeman endorses Mickens to take the next step and he's the guy Freeman should promote should Golden leave the program in a few months.

I am starting to wonder if people here have more of a problem with how the hiring process went down for OC when Rees left than with Parker himself, because quite honestly, it doesn't make a whole lot of f*cking sense that you trust Freeman to hire one of his boys up and not the other. Potentially a third year HC Freeman going into 2024 with a second year OC and first year DC, both of whom are former co coaches are previous stops on Freeman's resume.

To be clear, I don't have an issue with Freeman promoting Mickens should that come to pass, but am I missing something overall big picture here?

POTY imo. This guy is spitting too much logic for IE. If Parker and Mickens did work out we should have some coaching stability though.

Lots of risk though as we’ve seen with Parker’s solid but not earth shattering performance as OC.

 

[Free Manera]

There is a big difference between promoting a guy because you couldn't get a clear upgrade, and promoting a guy who has been an incredible position coach and recruiter and will be highly coveted in the offseason.

Literally no other program would've been interested in Parker as OC. There will probably be 50 schools that are interested in Mickens for DC after this year.

 

[Giddyup]

There is a big difference between promoting a guy because you couldn't get a clear upgrade, and promoting a guy who has been an incredible position coach and recruiter and will be highly coveted in the offseason.

Literally no other program would've been interested in Parker as OC. There will probably be 50 schools that are interested in Mickens for DC after this year.

I mean if u want to create this extreme hypothetical world that’s on u. I don’t agree with it but ….

Plus it’s obvious Parker was Freeman’s number 2 choice all along.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Depending on who comes back for 2024, this is going to be a very young inexperienced group on defense. Whoever the DC is next year, I hope that person is given a little bit of slack to work with that having been said.

In other news, the ignore button feature here is my favorite.

Kind of the way Chanci Stuckey has been given slack by people here considering what was left for him. Checks notes, oh never mind.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

There is a big difference between promoting a guy because you couldn't get a clear upgrade, and promoting a guy who has been an incredible position coach and recruiter and will be highly coveted in the offseason.

Literally no other program would've been interested in Parker as OC. There will probably be 50 schools that are interested in Mickens for DC after this year.

Really? Fifty is a lot of schools, bruv.

Kind of the way Chanci Stuckey has been given slack by people here considering what was left for him. Checks notes, oh never mind.

The dickweeds out there bust Stuckey's balls because Merriweather isn't Jerry Rice and can't grasp that the human element of reality trumps recruiting rankings. Things don't work out spectacularly sometimes and it often isn't anyone's fault. It's just sports. And life.

The upgrades he is making to that room considering the ridiculous way he found it speaks for itself. I can't say I have had a negative word to say about him and I don't know why he's a target for some. They're twatting themselves pretty hard.

 

[Terry Jillery]

To me the only coach deserving of fan complaints is Parker. When everyone on planet earth besides IB thinks you’ve stunk it up all year, you’re probably onto something.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Really? Fifty is a lot of schools, bruv.


The dickweeds out there bust Stuckey's balls because Merriweather isn't Jerry Rice and can't grasp that the human element of reality trumps recruiting rankings. Things don't work out spectacularly sometimes and it often isn't anyone's fault. It's just sports. And life.

The upgrades he is making to that room considering the ridiculous way he found it speaks for itself. I can't say I have had a negative word to say about him and I don't know why he's a target for some. They're twatting themselves pretty hard.

Because WR is our worst position group on the field by far, and there’s talent there

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Really? Fifty is a lot of schools, bruv.


The dickweeds out there bust Stuckey's balls because Merriweather isn't Jerry Rice and can't grasp that the human element of reality trumps recruiting rankings. Things don't work out spectacularly sometimes and it often isn't anyone's fault. It's just sports. And life.

The upgrades he is making to that room considering the ridiculous way he found it speaks for itself. I can't say I have had a negative word to say about him and I don't know why he's a target for some. They're twatting themselves pretty hard.

Spoken like a man who actually played football and has some real world experience, not just message board trolling.

 

[T-Boone]

Promote Golden to Associate HC / Co DC and promote Mickens to Co DC / CB coach. Give both a Ferrari (on loan).

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm fine with promoting Mickens from within, but not Mickens and Parker. What the and HC that's promoted from within. That's just too much for me.

If they would have got Ludwig (or other vet) I could see it more.

Mickens deserves the bump, Parker didn't earn it enough imo. It sucks, and I'm not sure what the answer here doe Mickens is other than Co DC, which could be awkward for a potential new DC if Golden bounces.

But I do do do not want to lose Mickens