Marcus Freeman Revisited

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Can some reporter please ask why the frichan heck you took out 4 starting secondary players for your second team, then compounded it by not subbing starters back in after they got carved up about 4 or 5 plays in a row.
 

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I’m uncomfortable with Freeman’s lack of energy. Maybe he’s sad because he moved Gerad down the ladder?
 

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That was the most disappointing PC from an ND head coach in a long time. From the terrible questions (there were politically correct appropriate questions that should have been asked and were not) to freemans coach speak contradicting himself from just 2 weeks ago.

Maybe we play amazing next 3 games and all of this is for not, but man, no clue how anyone could be confident in the programs direction right now.
 

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I’m uncomfortable with Freeman’s lack of energy. Maybe he’s sad because he moved Gerad down the ladder?
Did he demote War Daddy?? I must have missed it. Who is the OC then? Urban? Coach O, perhaps??
 

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Not publicly. I’m just wondering if he did behind the scenes. He looks sad and off.
He publicly just stated angeli and minchey aren't good enough and they will be adding another QB, but he can't say his OC isn't good enough? You can put your players on notice but not your coaches. Seems ass backwards.
 

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Can some reporter please ask why the frichan heck you took out 4 starting secondary players for your second team, then compounded it by not subbing starters back in after they got carved up about 4 or 5 plays in a row.

Driskell let us all down again


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He publicly just stated angeli and minchey aren't good enough and they will be adding another QB, but he can't say his OC isn't good enough? You can put your players on notice but not your coaches. Seems ass backwards.

Terrible presser. I've never seen such low energy. Everyone was so afraid to ask tough question.
 

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Terrible presser. I've never seen such low energy. Everyone was so afraid to ask tough question.
He probably just found out before the presser stanford is a night game out there on the Pac 12 network. A low point in the history of NDs football program.
 

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Terrible presser. I've never seen such low energy. Everyone was so afraid to ask tough question.

The season is over tbf and Sampson put it well the other day they won’t have a chance to do shit to make anyone take notice until college station next season. Until then the whole thing is purgatory


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After listening to the whole thing, he comes off defeated. All this bullshit he spews is great, I'd want him coaching my son. BUT, it's all bullshit and and like my Father use to say "Talk is cheap" He's coming off as a damn good talker, which is why he's a great recruiter. I think we are in trouble, not Sat....but long term.
 

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I've waited to be on the fire Freeman badwagon, but his Low F and inability to fire Parker like EVERY OTHER serious program is doing right now - he's a failure and will be coaching at a CMU by time he's 40.

Al Golden is single handedly saving MF from being the most embarassing national program in football.
 

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I've waited to be on the fire Freeman badwagon, but his Low F and inability to fire Parker like EVERY OTHER serious program is doing right now - he's a failure and will be coaching at a CMU by time he's 40.

Al Golden is single handedly saving MF from being the most embarassing national program in football.
It's only a matter of time at this point. The program was in a spot where we could take a swing on MF. We missed and that's ok. He will recruit well enough to keep it afloat for the next guy.
 

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It's only a matter of time at this point. The program was in a spot where we could take a swing on MF. We missed and that's ok. He will recruit well enough to keep it afloat for the next guy.
As Lee Corso says "Not so fast" This problem is easily fixed with a strong OC....Literally that's it. Even if Golden leaves MF will be fine. We are in the same boat as USC, both teams fix one side of the ball....They are deadly! Nobody is beating SC by scoring 20 points. Nobody is beating ND if they score 30+ and move the ball well to eat clock and give the D a rest. Not rocket science, and you'd think ND would be smart enough to see it.

AND I'LL SCREAM IT AGAIN....IT'S NOTRE FUCKING DAME....WHY ARE THEY STUCK WITH A FIRST YEAR OC THAT'S HAD ENOUGH TIME TO PROVE HE'S IN OVER HIS HEAD. WHY WHY WHY CAN'T ND LAND A TOP OC???? IS IT US, DO WE HAVE THIS PROGRAM ON AN UNDESERVING PEDESTAL?
 

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As Lee Corso says "Not so fast" This problem is easily fixed with a strong OC....Literally that's it. Even if Golden leaves MF will be fine. We are in the same boat as USC, both teams fix one side of the ball....They are deadly! Nobody is beating SC by scoring 20 points. Nobody is beating ND if they score 30+ and move the ball well to eat clock and give the D a rest. Not rocket science, and you'd think ND would be smart enough to see it.
Do you not think the red flags are starting to pile up?
 

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Do you not think the red flags are starting to pile up?
I think the only red flag is they took a swing on a guy and it didn't work out and now it appears they are going to stick with him longer than needed. Do you see another one I'm missing? Shoulda woulda coulda but this team should be 9-1 any way you slice it and dice it. Shitty play calling and I'll give a small percentage to execution has them 7-3 and realistically should be sitting at 6-4. All signs point to final drive against OSU and final 7 drives against Clemson as the only red flag I see.
 

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I think the only red flag is they took a swing on a guy and it didn't work out and now it appears they are going to stick with him longer than needed. Do you see another one I'm missing? Shoulda woulda coulda but this team should be 9-1 any way you slice it and dice it. Shitty play calling and I'll give a small percentage to execution has them 7-3 and realistically should be sitting at 6-4. All signs point to final drive against OSU and final 7 drives against Clemson as the only red flag I see.
There have been several cases of extremely poor in game management that says to me MF is in over his head at this point in his career. My worry is we hired him about a decade too early.
 

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There have been several cases of extremely poor in game management that says to me MF is in over his head at this point in his career. My worry is we hired him about a decade too early.
Maybe you're right. But a young up and comer that can recruit and is as likeable as him can win at ND even as a first year HC. If Grubb or Lebby was our OC, the in game time management would not be an issue. Also, I wasn't joking when I said they should look at Ruggiero. Proof is in the pudding and that's all that needs to be said, he did so much more with so much less.
 

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Now play actions are only worthwhile when they’re guaranteed? Damn, MF, I’m starting to lose faith here.

He either genuinely believes that running play action isn’t worthwhile for us (very concerning - the stats show they’ve been good for us this year), or he knows but he’s refusing to admit they’re wrong (also concerning).

You can sack up and admit we’re floundering on offense - pointing to examples of what’s wrong would at least give confidence that we’re aware of the issues + might have fixes in place. But this whole “we’re doing things right, just poor execution” bit is getting extremely fucking old.
 

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Like it or not, no matter what other programs do, Parker isn't going anywhere until the season is over. Notre Dame doesn't operate the same as other programs and to expect a firing during the season is wishful thinking.
 

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Driskell let us all down again


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To let someone down you have to first establish a streak of winning or have shown some excellence before you begin sucking. As a result, I don't think Driskell has ever let anyone down, he went straight to the later.
 

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Like it or not, no matter what other programs do, Parker isn't going anywhere until the season is over. Notre Dame doesn't operate the same as other programs and to expect a firing during the season is wishful thinking.
I know, but that moral high ground is really starting to wear thin...especially when teams like GT, Nebraska, Wash and Colorado have all won championships more recently than ND.
 

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I know, but that moral high ground is really starting to wear thin...especially when teams like GT, Nebraska, Wash and Colorado have all won championships more recently than ND.
Trust me, it can get thinner.
 

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I don’t believe anyone is excusing MF’s mistakes. If anything, we knew it came w/ being a 1st time HC. The point is that veteran HCs have & continue to make similar in-game mistakes…so what’s their excuse? Franklin, Lanning, Cristobal, Dabo come to mind in making regrettable calls this year alone.
Fair enough, but his mistakes I feel are because his lack of experience. It may take him longer because he does not have that background as a head coach at one of the most visible programs where mistakes are much more scrutinized than at smaller schools where he could cut his teeth. The question is can he learn really really fast, because that is what he needs to do. And some mistakes are bigger than others, which his choice of OC being a really horrible mistake that had a larger effect than many of his in-game blunders. A more experienced coach likely does not make that mistake, promoting another green coach as the OC when the HC himself was also very green. That's just about unforgivable. We'll see if he makes the right move and recovers from it relative to his other decisions. In other words, grow up really damn fast.
 

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I think the only red flag is they took a swing on a guy and it didn't work out and now it appears they are going to stick with him longer than needed. Do you see another one I'm missing? Shoulda woulda coulda but this team should be 9-1 any way you slice it and dice it. Shitty play calling and I'll give a small percentage to execution has them 7-3 and realistically should be sitting at 6-4. All signs point to final drive against OSU and final 7 drives against Clemson as the only red flag I see.
Clemson Scored 31 points vs ND. You know what teams held them to less than that this year

Duke
FSU
Miami
Wake
NC State

They scored 31 vs cuse and 42 vs georgia tech.

Yeah our O played bad vs clemson, but so did our D for almost 3 quarters.

The D has been better than the O in big games all season though. Freeman just seems like a coach challenging his coaches to figure it out, but not able to help them. He also hired an OC that clearly can NOT figure it out.
 

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Now play actions are only worthwhile when they’re guaranteed? Damn, MF, I’m starting to lose faith here.

He either genuinely believes that running play action isn’t worthwhile for us (very concerning - the stats show they’ve been good for us this year), or he knows but he’s refusing to admit they’re wrong (also concerning).

You can sack up and admit we’re floundering on offense - pointing to examples of what’s wrong would at least give confidence that we’re aware of the issues + might have fixes in place. But this whole “we’re doing things right, just poor execution” bit is getting extremely fucking old.

What's terrible is this was about his 5th worst comment in the PC today.

Needing a guarantee that type of play will work to use it, when every good offensive team uses it is criminal. You're going to see the most simplistic offense ever vs wake, and that actually might be good enough if we can run the ball.

He kept saying "If there was a simple fix, we'd do it". Just because the total fix isn't simple doesn't mean, you don't try and fix it!!! c'mon man

We rolled out vs clemson with the same offensive game plan as vs ohio state, or duke or louisville. It doesn't work with defenses that have a pulse.
 

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What's terrible is this was about his 5th worst comment in the PC today.

Needing a guarantee that type of play will work to use it, when every good offensive team uses it is criminal. You're going to see the most simplistic offense ever vs wake, and that actually might be good enough if we can run the ball.

He kept saying "If there was a simple fix, we'd do it". Just because the total fix isn't simple doesn't mean, you don't try and fix it!!! c'mon man

We rolled out vs clemson with the same offensive game plan as vs ohio state, or duke or louisville. It doesn't work with defenses that have a pulse.

This is exactly where I’m losing faith. There are obviously no guarantees in football. On any given failed play you can point to failed execution, but you still have to put your players in the best position to succeed; that’s one of your many jobs as a head coach and OC, and I think it’s where we failed the most this year. There is an obvious difference in odds of execution between, say, a designed run up the middle on 3rd and 15 versus a throw past the sticks, even if both plays result in a punt and on both plays you “failed to execute”. Similarly, never running PA simply ain’t it.

Most of this is probably the fault of our favorite OC. But MFMF is doing absolutely nothing to make us confident that he’s aware of what needs changed. This’ll only cause more unrest (as we’re seeing play out rn) and make his own seat ever so slightly hotter.
 
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