Lynch ACT Scores

[TerryTate]

Per Rivals board, Quote from Facebook

"Aaron TheBeast Lynch Only an 18 but it went up from what i had and it went up 6 points!"


Not sure he would have been able to handle the classroom. He had a 12 when he got into ND.

I didn't take the ACT, so I don't know what this translates to. Just seems a bit ... low.

 

[IrishInFl]

Per Rivals board, Quote from Facebook

"Aaron TheBeast Lynch Only an 18 but it went up from what i had and it went up 6 points!"


Not sure he would have been able to handle the classroom. He had a 12 when he got into ND.

I didn't take the ACT, so I don't know what this translates to. Just seems a bit ... low.

You get a 12 for writing down your name. Now we have the real reason why he isn't coming to ND.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Saw on his FB page that he got an 18 and it went up 6 points.

 

[NDinMich]

Not to bash on the guy but a 12 is extremely unimpressive. 18 is an improvement but that score wouldn't get you into Michigan State, probably good enough for UF though!

Also, I believe a 36 is perfect score but very hard to obtain. I would hazard to guess students applying to ND need a 30 or a 32 to even get considered for acceptance. Don't really know about football players though.

 

[IrishInFl]

Not to bash on the guy but a 12 is extremely unimpressive. 18 is an improvement but that score wouldn't get you into Michigan State, probably good enough for UF though!

I assume you're joking, because UF has really high standards to get in, for some reason.

 

[TerryTate]

I assume you're joking, because UF has really high standards to get in, for some reason.

Criminal record a requirement? Or is that a post-acceptance thing?

 

[IrishInFl]

Criminal record a requirement? Or is that a post-acceptance thing?

I don't know about athletes, but for regular students requirements are high.

 

[aubeirish]

I don't know about athletes, but for regular students requirements are high.

Not very high for football players for sure. Look at the guys they bring in.

12 in the ACT is very very bad. I mean, it's near stupidity. 18 is still not very good.

 

[BirdmanND06]

First of all, let it go people. The kid didn't want to come to ND. That doesn't make him stupid or incapable of handling the course work at ND, so give the kid a break about his test scores. Also, Florida is not a terrible school. They're no Harvard, but there are much worse places to go in the SEC.

 

[TerryTate]

The intention was not to create an environment where people would rip on him. It just shows that maybe the "Academics" excuse was, in fact, true.

 

[johnnykillz]

I couldn't have made it into ND with a 28 then... Damn. Really, 30 - 32 range?

 

[GreatGolson]

16 would raise the average of the UF football team by 16 points

 

[NDinMich]

Kind of an educated guess. I really don't know for sure though.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Any large well-funded state university has many top-notch faculty members [I've known two Florida teachers myself] and many good programs scattered about. Hopefully that's not what we're talking about here, as if it is, it's a red herring.

What we "football-savvy" guys should be concentrating on is whether football recruits can gain entrance to a given university in such a "privileged" way that it is a mockery of the rest of the school's standards. That DOES seem to be the case at both Florida and Florida State [as well as many others].

Also, once in, do non-academically-serious athletes have "programs" greased up for them so they have little or no actual responsibilities?? That too seems to be true in many places, of which the FSU on-line "music course" was the worst recent public revelation.

Confusing what happens with football players with what is normal for regular students simply fogs the issue and casts no light nor substance on what's going on. I'd love to read more about the way that athletes at football powerhouses get through school staying eligible, if anyone had real information on that.

 

[IrishInFl]

The intention was not to create an environment where people would rip on him. It just shows that maybe the "Academics" excuse was, in fact, true.

Maybe not, but getting a 12 is rip worthy. An 18 is good enough to get into a small state university, but not UF or FSU. If it weren't for football, he'd be going to junior college.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Also, I believe a 36 is perfect score but very hard to obtain. I would hazard to guess students applying to ND need a 30 or a 32 to even get considered for acceptance. Don't really know about football players though.

I have a friend that applied with a 29 and was told to get in he would need to retake and improve by a slim margin.

 

[DillonHall]

Accepted Class of 2013: 50% had an ACT of 32-34. 25% had below this range while 25% had a score above this range. The range for the SAT was 1390-1490 (out of 1600).

 

[irishtrain]

I think we need to apply BLeHane's 'Common Sense Quadratic' here boys. (we will refer to it as the CSQ from now on). And the CSQ tells me that academics cant play football as well as football players. I wonder if Alan Page could get into Notre Dame in this day. Seems to me he did OK for himself and contributed well to society dont ya think. How about Tony Rice-yeh he's done OK and is a fine business man. The CSQ is never wrong, long live the CSQ. What about Ross Browner, Jim Lynch, Terry Hanratty, do you think they could get into Notre Dame today. Thats who you want these guys to play like while they compete in the classroom against Americas best academics. It aint happening.

 

[DillonHall]

I think we need to apply BLeHane's 'Common Sense Quadratic' here boys. (we will refer to it as CSQ from now on). And the CSQ tells me that academics cant play football as well as football players. I wonder if Alan Page could get into Notre Dame in this day. Seems to me he did OK for himself and contributed well to society dont ya think. How about Tony Rice-yeh he's done OK and is a fine business man. The CSQ, long live the CSQ.

But are these guys the exceptions or the norm?

 

[nvirish]

Must be slow if we are still talking about Lynch.

I didnt go to ND but I went to Loyola and never really scored that high on my ACT either. I got in with 24 and a 3.5 GPA out of a catholic school in Chicago. After 4 years the ones I know that scored in the 30's were burned out on drugs..... It is sad they were way smarter than me but I had the internal drive because things did not come easy for me. Give me a kid who's dad is a plumber or works at a factory with a college education that has an instilled drive any day of the week over some stupid 30 on standardized test. Just my take.

 

[NDinMich]

I agree w/you NVIrish. I had friends that went to U of M or Ivy League schools that told me that the difference between them and your normal/average state college isn't that much, it's more about studying habits and drive. All you got to do is get in.

Also, I wasn't trying to start a war about UF's admission standards...I was being facetious.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Must be slow if we are still talking about Lynch.

I didnt go to ND but I went to Loyola and never really scored that high on my ACT either. I got in with 24 and a 3.5 GPA out of a catholic school in Chicago. After 4 years the ones I know that scored in the 30's were burned out on drugs..... It is sad they were way smarter than me but I had the internal drive because things did not come easy for me. Give me a kid who's dad is a plumber or works at a factory with a college education that has an instilled drive any day of the week over some stupid 30 on standardized test. Just my take.

I agree with a lot of this. In fact, I'll go further. Standardized tests inherently favor people from a certain type of background (read: white, middle-upper class). Certainly, they are not even a complete nor unbiased measure of intelligence, never-mind worth. But their bias lines up very well with the bias of a liberal arts education. If you want to thrive at a place like Notre Dame, you have to be fluent in the language of the educated-elite. There is a point where a low score indicates that the concepts and language one would be asked to deal with in class are beyond their intellectual capacity. I'll let the admissions office decide where that line is, but I'm pretty sure a 12 is under it. You wouldn't throw someone who doesn't know how to swim into the English Channel, results of jumping into a Notre Dame classroom without a basic intellectual tool-set would not be much better.

 

[jonesman]

Guys,
Let's all do the ND Nation a favor and just stop any thread or post regarding Aaron Lynch. He is NOT coming to ND and we should just let him move on as we have all moved on.

Good Luck Aaron, enjoy UF or FSU.
FINISHED!!

 

[nvirish]

I went to a seminar at United Center and they had many guest speakers like Colin Powell, Rudy Giuliani, Zig Ziglar, etc.... Not once did they mention an ACT score or SAT score. Maybe that will get you into a college but frankly it is all about your drive and how you differentiate yourself. Show leadership, problem solve, and work with others. A standard test does not show any of the above.

 

[TDHeysus]

i guess this issue is fair game since its public knowledge, but somthing about this seems not right. even thought this kid burned ND, I think talking about test scores and such just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[DillonHall]

Agree with the last couple of posts. Regardless of his ACT score, I believe that Lynch could have succeeded here, but he chose not to accept the challenge. It's his decision, and he's the one who will enjoy and suffer the pros and cons of it.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Reality is folks, this SAT ACT stuff is just like Four *s Five *s in football recruiting. The star recruits don't all succeed and the non-stars might. The big ACT SAT scores don't all turn into DaVinci, and a non-big scorer might have the gift afterall. But the big schools [like the big football teams] are playing the percentages game. They want Retention for four years, and they want the occasional brag-about whizkid.

Schools used to compete to score highest in their numbers of National Merit scholars and the like--I suppose they still do. Schools like to brag that they're near the top in things like post-grad research scholarships [I even had a prof at ND who gave a selected group of chemists perfect scores their last semester senior year to ensure six NSF scholarships for his department.]

This stuff isn't really rocket science. Everyones competing in their own agendas. And, as stated on an earlier thread, the big national ratings even score with certain recruits' moms who want academic bragging rights for their sons as well.

 

[irishandy]

Agree with the last couple of posts. Regardless of his ACT score, I believe that Lynch could have succeeded here, but he chose not to accept the challenge. It's his decision, and he's the one who will enjoy and suffer the pros and cons of it.

Nice post DillonHall, I too believe that Lynch could've succeeded not only as a football player, but also as a student. I still woulnd't mind seeing him in a ND uniform.

Let's not forget people...Lynch committed to ND on local TV here.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Dont shoot me for this..however I do not think the Lynch saga is complete...just a hunch.

 

[Stoic]

Who is this Aaron Lynch guy you speak of?